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2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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It's a pipedream.
Ohio isn't a traditional Dem state, but the quintessential battleground state. The rest have gone Dems 6/6 previous elections by comfortable margins.
Liberals love panicking.
I told you, I'm a Bernie supporter. I think she's not a great candidate. And it concerns me she needed help beating a 74-year old outsider Jewish socialist. But there's no smoking gun that he lost because the DNC hated him, or that he was there for spectacle alone. Most Bernie fans assumed that DWS and the DNC didn't like Bernie and were tinkering at the margins to protect Hillary and attack him. This proves it, but things like the debates controversy had done that long ago. TBH I don't blame DWS for not liking him - his "political revolution" would be targeted exactly at people like her.
Fair enough, after this week I'm one of those Liberals panicking. More concerned about the mandate a Trump win would give rather than how he would be like as President.
All I can say is Dems may have won those other 3 states 6/6 times in previous elections - but this election seems a lot different to previous ones.
Haaaaaaaaa! This is so, so, so dumb.
They never checked the grammar on the signs Trump was using to try to make it looks like Hispanics could actually vote for him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-para-trump-signs_us_57927945e4b0d3568f833aab
As someone on Twitter pointed out, a translation of their gaffe could be thought of as "Hispanics for the use/benefit of Trump"
They never checked the grammar on the signs Trump was using to try to make it looks like Hispanics could actually vote for him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-para-trump-signs_us_57927945e4b0d3568f833aab
As someone on Twitter pointed out, a translation of their gaffe could be thought of as "Hispanics for the use/benefit of Trump"
I don't think Michigan is seriously being polled right now. Clinton's average in Wisconsin is about +7, Pennsylvania +5, more or less in line with Obama's 2012 results.
You'd think with Donald Drumpf leading the ticket it'd be higher than that, and it probably will be, but Republicans will vote for a dead rat with (R) in front of it.
it's also the hillary effect. she pisses a fair few off.
Don't bother checking FiveThirtyEight until the 2nd week of August. The numbers are going to go back and forth between now and then.
I'd be happy to do that if they publish a Pogba Index that I can follow instead for my amusement
Heard an interview on NPR with Gabriel Sherman, who wrote this piece http://www.theloudestvoiceintheroom.com/ and an exert for New York Mag, in which he thinks Roger Ailes may wind up working PR for Trumpets. Said Ailes and Trump are friendly and that Ailes practically built the Trump political figure by giving him a platform on FNC.
Forgot to add: Trump has been providing advice to Ailes on how to navigate through the SH charges.
Forgot to add: Trump has been providing advice to Ailes on how to navigate through the SH charges.
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Tim Kaine - Full Intro Speech
That was great. Interesting that the first two topics he spoke about were the military and growing up in a working class household, two great wedge issues against Trump. Also got a lot of likeability, which obviously Clinton has been somewhat lacking. Well balanced ticket.
The Spanish speaking will be massive, as he'll be on all the Spanish channels doing interviews about how dangerous Trump is, which will just push up Hillary's Latino numbers even further. That could be critical in places like Florida, Arizona, NM, and Nevada. The Trump people must be truly bricking it.
From a Florida Republican following Kaine's speech:
What a fecking idiot
That is sad. Scary too.
Unfortunately there's the odd person like that on here, just look at the Munich shooting thread.
Just listening to Tim Kaine's speech now, does sound pretty good. Doesn't really seem that boring a person 
I like Kaine's speaking charisma, I think he will annihilate Pence in the VP debate. Pence won't be able to defend Trump's batshit insane positions like Trump himself.
Agreed. Pence will come off as an Android. Kaine will be far more personable.
They never had Obama below 60% after July in 2012. This is indeed worrying that the odds are coming down so much over the last 2 weeks.
Part of the problem is the huge number of voters saying they'll vote for a 3rd party candidate, which makes it harder to predict and election. Not sure if these numbers will reduce.
Each race has different dynamics - Hillary is losing ground in the past couple of weeks because of the email scandal being in the news and the FBI Director publicly scolding her for being irresponsible. That coupled with the Republican convention are giving Trump a bump right now. I'd imagine the Dem convention will undo at least part of that.
Reassuringly from an anti-Trump standpoint, 3rd party support is concentrated among libertarians not Greens. I can imagine some Bernie-Johnson crossover based on foreign policy and the NSA but not too much.
The most convincing pro-Clinton argument, stumbled across it on wikipedia
Warren Brennan Marshall Douglas Ginsburg is the kind of majority you can only fantasise about sadly.
Warren Brennan Marshall Douglas Ginsburg is the kind of majority you can only fantasise about sadly.
The most convincing pro-Clinton argument, stumbled across it on wikipedia
Warren Brennan Marshall Douglas Ginsburg is the kind of majority you can only fantasise about sadly.
Ike did a lot of goods, but the Warren court was his biggest one.
Next 4 years will be all about the court. Hope Breyer do the right thing and step down for a younger replacement. Ginsburg definitely will.
There are chatters about Thomas calling it quits, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Why does the Y axis go from -2 to 1.5? It skews the whole graph.
The median is just slightly towards conservative but looks very different at first look..
Shenanigans.
The median is just slightly towards conservative but looks very different at first look..
Shenanigans.
The best part about his speech is that a good bit of it was unscripted, which is pretty amazing.
Jesus wept
Yeah. It's "their", Donald!
'I have the best words', 'I went to an Ivy League school. I'm very smart'.
"There" blood...
"There" blood...
I think 'waist' is the worst bit.
Trump is obviously making a play for Bernie voters. Won't work.
Trying to seed discontent amongst (typically well educated) progressives with grammatical abominations like that is pretty funny.
Has he deleted it? Lol
Imagine, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar. Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, “The media is really tearing you apart for that scandal.”
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material to hide my activities?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything lse?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies, And taking bribes from foreign countries?
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without the benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding of neo-Nazis in the Ukraine that led to the toppling of the democratically elected president and to the biggest crisis that country has had since WWII?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Being the mastermind of the so-called “Arab Spring” that only brought chaos, death and destruction to the Middle East and North Africa ?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving four Americans to die in Benghazi and go to sleep?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Encouraging and supporting the murders of Palestinians and the destruction of their homes, towns and villages by Israel ?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding and arming of terrorists in Syria, the destruction and destabilization of that nation, giving the order to our lapdogs in Turkey and Saudi Arabia to give sarin gas to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria that they eventually used on civilians, and framed Assad, and had it not been for the Russians and Putin, we would have used that as a pretext to invade Syria, put a puppet in power, steal their natural resources, and leave that country in total chaos, just like we did with Libya?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The creation of the biggest refugees crisis since WWII
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos? ”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and three months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring citizens’ ?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture and silverware when Bill left office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”.
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material to hide my activities?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything lse?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies, And taking bribes from foreign countries?
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without the benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding of neo-Nazis in the Ukraine that led to the toppling of the democratically elected president and to the biggest crisis that country has had since WWII?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Being the mastermind of the so-called “Arab Spring” that only brought chaos, death and destruction to the Middle East and North Africa ?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving four Americans to die in Benghazi and go to sleep?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Encouraging and supporting the murders of Palestinians and the destruction of their homes, towns and villages by Israel ?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding and arming of terrorists in Syria, the destruction and destabilization of that nation, giving the order to our lapdogs in Turkey and Saudi Arabia to give sarin gas to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria that they eventually used on civilians, and framed Assad, and had it not been for the Russians and Putin, we would have used that as a pretext to invade Syria, put a puppet in power, steal their natural resources, and leave that country in total chaos, just like we did with Libya?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The creation of the biggest refugees crisis since WWII
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos? ”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and three months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring citizens’ ?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture and silverware when Bill left office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT! I almost forgot about that one”.
Props for correcting it.
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