2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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That article pretty much plots a graph which shows the sudden increase after Wisconsin, but somehow people keep parroting the 'He competed against 15 different candidates you know' nonsense.

FL and PA could be toss up right now, but NY is definitely not in play and I could possibly argue MI is not in play as well.
Seeing very little to suggest PA is even. Florida I reckon is now in a better position for Dems than '12, even the Cubans hate him. We'll have to see how things change now he's confirmed as the nominee though.
I can't see that at all, Bernie supporters are at complete odds with 99% of Trumps insane ideas. (I can't even call them policies)
Let's just call them "dirge", or "swill".
 
We are talking about Trump here man, have you seen his negative ratings?

He will pivot - he is a much better salesman and charismatic person that the establishment ever gave him credit for.

He basically trounced the GOP and did it without tying himself to any group. He never courted conservatives, he is not beholden to any constituency, in fact he will run to the left of Hillary Clinton on many issues.

I think he will surprise many people.
 
I can't see that at all, Bernie supporters are at complete odds with 99% of Trumps insane ideas. (I can't even call them policies)

I have anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Several friends are so pissed with Hillary, they might vote for Trump.
Early days mind you.
 
Republican hacks are now calling for Merrick Garland to be confirmed ASAP. Can't make this up....

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/05/04/republicans-confirm-merrick-garland-asap./

They're idiots. Garland is a very strong candidate, and will be a good SC justice. They should have never blocked his nomination in the first place.

BTW, Barack will have some campaigning to do. He is well liked, and his ratings are higher than ever.

Bill cannot defend his wife, so many skeletons in his closet.
 
They're idiots.

BTW, Barack will have some campaigning to do. He is well liked, and his ratings are higher than ever.

Bill cannot defend his wife, so many skeletons in his closet.

I'm sure Bill will be out on the trail in a muted way, much as he's been up til now. Obama, Sanders, and Warren will be the main ones though.
 
This guy has no fecking clue. They all just live in a political bubble, and don't realize how pissed off people are at the establishment.

He says "before New York on April 19, he’d yet to win a majority in any state, lending credence to the idea that he might have a “ceiling”" -

This is bizarre for a statistician to say - surely he knows Trump was competing against as many as 13 candidates... Before NY he was competing against Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, so it's at a minimum a 4 horse race. Hillary has been competing in a two-horse race.

Hillary is a fundamentally weak candidate, and she has never had to run against a guy like Trump. He's going to come out and hit her from so many angles. It will be a vicious campaign.

Anyway, I think trump has a 50-50 chance in the general. States like NY, MI, FL and PA will be in play. Grab some popcorn.

Still in Manhattan?
 
All Dems at my church and work are voting for Hillary even though they voted for Sanders in the primary.

I live in my own bubble (Northern California), but I don't know a single Bernie Dem voter would even consider for a moment voting for Trump.

Whether that's the case in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania may only be known to the gods.
 
Apparently, this is not true.

Redstate.com is owned and controlled by Erick Erickson who is in the #nevertrumpever (apparently that's a thing now) and he and his colleagues are putting pressure on Establishment saying they are going to lose Senate and the GE because of trump.

That he is, although they are now proposing that whoever Hillary chooses would be worse for them, so there may be a bit more pressure to proceed with Garland, who if we're honest, is a pretty centrist nominee by Obama.

The bigger problem for the GOP is if Hillary wins, she will surely nominate at least one or two more justices since the likes of Breyer, Ginsburg and Kennedy are getting up in age.
 
I have anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Several friends are so pissed with Hillary, they might vote for Trump.
Early days mind you.
I know some people who feel the same way.
None of them were Bernie supporters either.. and all I would consider to be "democrats" in a normal setting.
But of the 4-5 people I talked to.. No one was keen on Hillary and a couple said they might consider Trump depending on how he acts once he wraps the nomination up..


Very small sample size... but I can imagine more people feeling that way.
 
I have anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Several friends are so pissed with Hillary, they might vote for Trump.
Early days mind you.

Sad and pathetic. I seriously hope these Bernie supporters wakeup and lose the sour grapes. Voting for Trump or not voting at all or writing in a pick is disastrous as it moves Trump one vote closer to fecking this nation.
 
Saw this on FB page... thoughts?

We, the American people, built Trump, with much help from the GOP and media. Several factors combined to produce Trump.

1. The GOP outsourced its communication strategy to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the like. Those people and corporations are in the business of selling fear. For 20 years, they've been telling people that the only reasonable response to any event is fear -- fear of terrorism, of moderate Democrats like Obama, of losing their guns, of black people, of economic calamity, of homosexuals, of the rise of other countries, of disease, of Obamacare, etc. They've created an entire fear-based culture. Reagan, for all his many faults, was a sunny, optimistic fellow who told us it was morning in America. Now the message of the GOP (crafted by Fox/Limbaugh/Beck) is that America is a shithole where you are in terrible peril. So along comes Trump who cynically exploits those fears, fashions himself as a classic authoritarian strongman who promises to keep everyone safe by being "tough."

2. The GOP allowed itself to become, in Bobby Jindal's apt phrase, the party of stupid. It denied evolution. It denied global warming. It denied geology. It denied the need for any education beyond what might be needed to get a job. It kept returning to the theory that tax cuts would produce a booming economy, despite the fact that there was no evidence that that was so. (Kansas, anyone?) It denied the importance of facts themselves. Some Republicans even denied Enlightenment principles of scientific inquiry and discourse and embraced theocracy. And there was no intellectual enforcer like a Buckley who was willing or able to call out such stupidity. Stupid people are easy for carnival barkers like Trump to manipulate.

3. The GOP was infiltrated by and is now heavily dependent on religious literalists. As Barry Goldwater pointed out years ago, those people are impossible to work with in a democratic government because they refuse to compromise. If you are acting in accordance with God's law, then even the smallest deviation from that (i.e., the compromises democracy relies on for its very survival) becomes heresy. Though Trump is far from religious, he promises no-compromise tactics in defeating ISIS, in keeping Americans "safe."

4. The GOP became the party of the Lost Cause, the party of the south. Though it drives some of my Republican friends crazy to hear this said, the party went out of its way to embrace bigoted voters. And the party encouraged their racism, especially when Obama won the presidency. But for years, Republicans thought they had to couch their racism in dog whistles and cutesy allusions. Now comes Trump who proudly disdains polite speech and openly expresses his bigotry. And the reaction is delight and relief: finally, we can say what we really think and express our prejudices -- by voting for a man who does just that.

5. The GOP adopted Leninist tactics. "No enemies to the right" became its electoral message. No matter how kooky, antidemocratic, or reactionary you were, the GOP was willing to embrace you. And so unsurprisingly, the party moved right. Far, far right. Fear of being called a RINO drove party members to extreme positions. And at the extreme end of every ideology is authoritarianism (which is true of both left and right). Today the party bears almost no resemblance to the one my parents supported. So along comes Trump, whose ideology (to the extent he has one) isn't conservative, but is authoritarian. His very campaign slogan is revanchist: Make America great again. While his policies are not in line with past GOP policies, his tone and his authoritarian style are the inevitable result of the Republican's embrace of more and more extreme ideas.

6. Trump is a celebrity. He's best known as a reality TV personality, not a politician. We live in a culture that glorifies celebrities, but for years few celebrities have identified as Republicans. The entertainment industry is overwhelmingly moderate to liberal. For years, Republicans had to make do with C-list celebrity endorsements (Ted Nugent?). Suddenly, here comes an A-list guy and the Republican faithful are delighted. Finally, a celebrity who isn't a Democrat!

There are many other factors, of course. But these, I think, are a good starting point. As a liberal, I cop to feeling some schadenfreude at seeing the GOP in a Trumpian dilemma. But as an American, I am dismayed. Our democracy needs a principled, intellectually coherent, forward-looking conservative party. It doesn't have one now. And that's dangerous."

-Jim Trumm, 2/26/16 Facebook
 
Those people are what's commonly known as "cnuts".

Not really. They are even bringing up good points as to why they would never vote for Hilary. If I was a Bernie supporter (I would have voted him if I was American) I sure as hell wouldn't vote Clinton.
 
Not really. They are even bringing up good points as to why they would never vote for Hilary. If I was a Bernie supporter (I would have voted him if I was American) I sure as hell wouldn't vote Clinton.
Again, if someone on reddit prefers Trump and calls themself a Democrat or liberal, I'm calling them a cnut.
 
When it actually comes to voting, pretty much anyone who is left of centre on American politics is going to reluctantly vote for Clinton, I feel.

Which is why she'll win (unless there's a major terrorist attack on the US). She's acceptable enough to the left, when it comes down to it, and she's as moderate as they come, for the centre ground.
 
Saw this on FB page... thoughts?

We, the American people, built Trump, with much help from the GOP and media. Several factors combined to produce Trump.

1. The GOP outsourced its communication strategy to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the like. Those people and corporations are in the business of selling fear. For 20 years, they've been telling people that the only reasonable response to any event is fear -- fear of terrorism, of moderate Democrats like Obama, of losing their guns, of black people, of economic calamity, of homosexuals, of the rise of other countries, of disease, of Obamacare, etc. They've created an entire fear-based culture. Reagan, for all his many faults, was a sunny, optimistic fellow who told us it was morning in America. Now the message of the GOP (crafted by Fox/Limbaugh/Beck) is that America is a shithole where you are in terrible peril. So along comes Trump who cynically exploits those fears, fashions himself as a classic authoritarian strongman who promises to keep everyone safe by being "tough."

2. The GOP allowed itself to become, in Bobby Jindal's apt phrase, the party of stupid. It denied evolution. It denied global warming. It denied geology. It denied the need for any education beyond what might be needed to get a job. It kept returning to the theory that tax cuts would produce a booming economy, despite the fact that there was no evidence that that was so. (Kansas, anyone?) It denied the importance of facts themselves. Some Republicans even denied Enlightenment principles of scientific inquiry and discourse and embraced theocracy. And there was no intellectual enforcer like a Buckley who was willing or able to call out such stupidity. Stupid people are easy for carnival barkers like Trump to manipulate.

3. The GOP was infiltrated by and is now heavily dependent on religious literalists. As Barry Goldwater pointed out years ago, those people are impossible to work with in a democratic government because they refuse to compromise. If you are acting in accordance with God's law, then even the smallest deviation from that (i.e., the compromises democracy relies on for its very survival) becomes heresy. Though Trump is far from religious, he promises no-compromise tactics in defeating ISIS, in keeping Americans "safe."

4. The GOP became the party of the Lost Cause, the party of the south. Though it drives some of my Republican friends crazy to hear this said, the party went out of its way to embrace bigoted voters. And the party encouraged their racism, especially when Obama won the presidency. But for years, Republicans thought they had to couch their racism in dog whistles and cutesy allusions. Now comes Trump who proudly disdains polite speech and openly expresses his bigotry. And the reaction is delight and relief: finally, we can say what we really think and express our prejudices -- by voting for a man who does just that.

5. The GOP adopted Leninist tactics. "No enemies to the right" became its electoral message. No matter how kooky, antidemocratic, or reactionary you were, the GOP was willing to embrace you. And so unsurprisingly, the party moved right. Far, far right. Fear of being called a RINO drove party members to extreme positions. And at the extreme end of every ideology is authoritarianism (which is true of both left and right). Today the party bears almost no resemblance to the one my parents supported. So along comes Trump, whose ideology (to the extent he has one) isn't conservative, but is authoritarian. His very campaign slogan is revanchist: Make America great again. While his policies are not in line with past GOP policies, his tone and his authoritarian style are the inevitable result of the Republican's embrace of more and more extreme ideas.

6. Trump is a celebrity. He's best known as a reality TV personality, not a politician. We live in a culture that glorifies celebrities, but for years few celebrities have identified as Republicans. The entertainment industry is overwhelmingly moderate to liberal. For years, Republicans had to make do with C-list celebrity endorsements (Ted Nugent?). Suddenly, here comes an A-list guy and the Republican faithful are delighted. Finally, a celebrity who isn't a Democrat!

There are many other factors, of course. But these, I think, are a good starting point. As a liberal, I cop to feeling some schadenfreude at seeing the GOP in a Trumpian dilemma. But as an American, I am dismayed. Our democracy needs a principled, intellectually coherent, forward-looking conservative party. It doesn't have one now. And that's dangerous."

-Jim Trumm, 2/26/16 Facebook

This is where I find it interesting, even healthy, about Trump. He´s called out Bush and Cheney about their lies and mishandling of the war in a very vicious way, unheard of as to now. Has called out Wall Street that "they didn´t build America, hinted that there´s a lot of paper pushers getting wealthy, has spoken, along with Bernie, about these guys rigging the system, called for higher capital gains taxes, completely bollocked the GOP orthodoxy of outsourcing and the walmart economy, and really insulted other high ranking Republicans repeatedly in an ugly way. ´Im mean, you´ve got posters on here (not me) who insist that Trump is quite liberal.

I think he really appeals to the huge, douchey side of America that doesn´t get the fruits of trickle down and the typical Republican economic propaganda of "free markets" and bending over backwards for corporations and the donor class, yet votes Republican because they share the bigoted, nasty, all American, U-S-A #1, not very well educated or cultivated, religious side the party also represents.
 
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Again, if someone on reddit prefers Trump and calls themself a Democrat or liberal, I'm calling them a cnut.
Reddit's politics sections are generally, abhorrent. Seems like a waste of time to read them at all.
 
Tow truck owner said he refused service to woman because she supports Bernie Sanders

Kenneth Shupe said he was called to pick up a woman stranded on I-26 in Asheville on Monday.

When he saw “a bunch of Bernie Sanders stuff” he said he told the woman, “very politely,” that he could’t tow her car because she was “obviously a socialist” and advised her to “call the government” for a tow.

"Every business dealing in recent history with a socialist minded person I have not gotten paid," Shupe said. "Every time I deal with these people I get 'Berned' with an 'e' not a 'u'."

Shupe, who runs Shupee Max Towing in Travelers Rest, said he is a conservative Christian who supports Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/31888456/tow-truck-owner-bernie-sanders

Pinched from the newbies, what an asshole.
 


Glad to see our Prime Minister is sticking to his principles and not cow-towing.
 
To be frank, the U.K recent collection of Prime Ministers going back all the way to Thatcher was nothing to crow about. Hamfecker just continues the tradition.
 


Glad to see our Prime Minister is sticking to his principles and not cow-towing.

Ugh. Feck off David.

That said, the image of a joint press-conference of Prime Minister Miliband and President Trump from a parallel universe just came into my head. :lol:
 


I don't think it'll be near that big come the end, but it's a switch you'd expect and could put Texas in play (among others).
 
With any luck, it shall no longer be a concern of Cameron's who the US president is in November.
 
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In fairness, he does have to be on stable terms given the close relations both countries have.
We can't have close relations with either country with these people in charge (unless Trump decides Muslims and Mexicans are okay after all - Le Pen certainly won't).
With any luck, it shall no longer be a concern of Cameron's who is US president is in November.
What camp are you in, at present?
 
Maher's predictable faux comedian, bong smoke political observation schtick is really terrible.

Coulter was correct, but she is still insane.

Broken clock twice a day etc etc, even Schmoe Scarborough called it correctly for Drumpf before Iowa.

Still would though.
 
We can't have close relations with either country with these people in charge (unless Trump decides Muslims and Mexicans are okay after all - Le Pen certainly won't).
What camp are you in, at present?

There are far more issues on the table for both states than Trump's primary rhetoric.
 
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