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To say Clinton receives the majority of her funding from Super-PACs is just flat out wrong.
Just laziness, they can't be bothered to go through the balanced but boring analysis that both races have been pretty static for a while now.http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/20/opinions/presidential-race-after-new-york-gergen/index.html
Really wish the pundits would stop with shite like this.
Momentum, momentum, momentum. Magic 'M' word. Explains everything.
People have to demand better leaders and better candidates for Presidential elections. Elizabeth Warren would have been a fantastic candidate, looking back. She deserves to be the first female president, not this pandering clown Pandering Hillary.
Trump v Hill-Bill is a disgrace of an election. Worst presidential election ever, that can be agreed upon. Both should be nowhere near the White House.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/20/opinions/presidential-race-after-new-york-gergen/index.html
Really wish the pundits would stop with shite like this.
Momentum, momentum, momentum. Magic 'M' word. Explains everything.
He's probably one of the top 3 pundits in the business, and has worked for five previous Presidents. He's obviously not a stats guy like Silver.
Is it? Let's objectively look at their respective stances and compare/contrast with Sanders.
BOTH Hillary and Cruz are in the pockets of Wall Street and have received the majority of their funding from super PACs and large corporations. Sanders on the other hand has almost been entirely funded by humble individual donations.
BOTH Hillary and Cruz are foreign policy hawks. Both voted in support of the Iraq war, both are in the pockets of AIPAC as evident by their pathetic arse-kissing performances at the AIPAC conference a few weeks ago. In addition Hillary had also pushed for the disastrous Libya campaign in her time as SoS and involved in helping facilitate a far-right coup in Honduras. Bernie on the other hand had opposed the Iraq war, and was the only presidential candidate to not bother turning up to the AIPAC arse-kissing festival.
BOTH Hillary and Cruz are notorious flip-floppers, changing their stances by the hour to garner votes or megacorp funding. Hillary for example had only recently come round to embracing gay marriage, putting her historically in line with her republican counterparts. Bernie on the other hand has been very consistent with his principles and stances in his 30 years or so in office.
I could list a dozen more examples of their discrepancies but instead I'll quote an article which elaborately lists the differences:
Sauce: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/the-problem-with-hillary-clinton_b_9349590.html
Him becoming a total arsehole and running as indie (after he became famous as democrat candidate) would only give the presidency to Republicans (similar to how Trump running as indie would guarantee a blue white house). Fortunately, he is more pragmatic than Caftards and he will throw his full support to Hillary after she wins the nomination.
Is it? Let's objectively look at their respective stances and compare/contrast with Sanders.
BOTH Hillary and Cruz are in the pockets of Wall Street and have received the majority of their funding from super PACs and large corporations. Sanders on the other hand has almost been entirely funded by humble individual donations.
BOTH Hillary and Cruz are foreign policy hawks. Both voted in support of the Iraq war, both are in the pockets of AIPAC as evident by their pathetic arse-kissing performances at the AIPAC conference a few weeks ago. In addition Hillary had also pushed for the disastrous Libya campaign in her time as SoS and involved in helping facilitate a far-right coup in Honduras. Bernie on the other hand had opposed the Iraq war, and was the only presidential candidate to not bother turning up to the AIPAC arse-kissing festival.
BOTH Hillary and Cruz are notorious flip-floppers, changing their stances by the hour to garner votes or megacorp funding. Hillary for example had only recently come round to embracing gay marriage, putting her historically in line with her republican counterparts. Bernie on the other hand has been very consistent with his principles and stances in his 30 years or so in office.
I could list a dozen more examples of their discrepancies but instead I'll quote an article which elaborately lists the differences:
Sauce: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/the-problem-with-hillary-clinton_b_9349590.html
It'll be Castro, Kaine or Tom Perez for the Hispanics outreach/ticket balance. Warren won't give up her Senate seat unless she gets to run in 2020.
Isn't she already old? 2020/2024 may be late for her. HRC may calculate that Warren would be a serious pull on Sanders voters and she seems to be attracting Latino/minority/colored voters anyway without a running mate.
She's 66. Will be as old as Hillary now in 2020. Point is, why would she give up being a Senator where she can actually affect policies for the vice-presidency for the next 8 years,'the most useless post ever invented by men', in the words of John Adams.
A younger man who can be an aggressive attack dog like Castro or Perez is perfect. Kaine is in the running but Virginia governor is a GOPer, so if he runs, that Senate seat is lost.
Incorrect. Hillary hasn't received most (or near it) the majority of her funding from Wall Street.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with this. Hillary's foreign policies have been a disaster.
But lets be fair, Trump/Cruz looks significantly worse.
Flip-flopper or evolve? Is it actually a bad thing to change your stance during 30 years?
Now, let's go to things that they are quite similar (and very different to Republicans):
1) SCOTUS picks. Hillary - at the moment - seems even more left-ish than Obama (who is the most left wing president of US in recent history), and her SCTOUS choices would be very left (not center left). So the laws on aborts, gay marriage, second amendment etc, have a good chance of changing during her presidency.
2) She will continue Obama's fight when it comes to gun control. Her stance there is better than Bernie's IMO.
3) She will continue Obama's care which is proving already to be challenging to implement. Bernie wants even more, but their position is much closer to each other than to Republicans.
4) Global warming. Hillary has in her platform how she wants to fight it. It is an almost identical position to Bernie's (and completely different to Republicans).
Bernie is definitely the idealistic one and would have been my choice, despite that I think that a Bernie presidency would be a disaster (Republicans will block everything). Hillary is not great but she has gone quite left, and if she picks someone like Liz as her VP (in order to appeal to Bernie's voters) it would be quite nice.
Really, it is a bad agenda-driven article. I couldn't even finish it cause it was so shit.
Most of her funding has come from her self set-up SuperPac her family set up decades ago for political campaigns. She consequently fills this fund from her $250,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs and friends. She's definitely very cosy with Wall Street and its no secret the feeling's mutual.
Nope, McAuliffe is a Dem. People have suggested Sherrod Brown (Ohio) though, which has been dismissed for that reason.She's 66. Will be as old as Hillary now in 2020. Point is, why would she give up being a Senator where she can actually affect policies for the vice-presidency for the next 8 years,'the most useless post ever invented by men', in the words of John Adams.
A younger man who can be an aggressive attack dog like Castro or Perez is perfect. Kaine is in the running but Virginia governor is a GOPer, so if he runs, that Senate seat is lost.
Furthers my suspicion that a lot of the Bernie or Bust lot don't actually know what Super-PACs are, or any details of the case that spawned them.SuperPAC and decades ago
Edit: re:Kaine. You are right, memory got fuzzy there for a sec.
I'm fully aware of what Super PACs are so there's no need for the patronising tone.Furthers my suspicion that a lot of the Bernie or Bust lot don't actually know what Super-PACs are, or any details of the case that spawned them.
Sanders knows that he can't win that race, and can easily cost the Democrats the race (some might argue that Perot cost the race to Bush). He wants to reform the American political scene, but that would not achieve it, instead it will ensure that everything he cares about won't happen. Ideologically he is more similar to Hillary than to Republicans (by a country mile), so better Hillary than Republicans.I don't think this is a given actually.
If Trump becomes the GOP nominee, a Clinton - Trump - Sanders race is more likely to be similar to Perot-Clinton-Bush than Gore-Bush-Nader. While the big two are busy flinging shit at each other, Bernie can go under the radar and be inoculated from the socialist attacks that would have gone his way had he been the Dem nominee. His candidacy will become a vehicle for protest and while it's a given he'll draw more from the Dem than GOP, the final result won't change much, if at all.
It depends on the man. Gore was quite powerful, while Cheney was extremely powerful.I thought the same after watching West Wing, that VP is perhaps the worst of all thinking I'd rather be Chief of Staff.
Hillary already meeting with Sandy Hook parents here at CT. There's a very strong Anti gun sentiment here and the governor is also driving it against Sanders. This gun issue could make it very tough for Bernie.
I'm fully aware of what Super PACs are so there's no need for the patronising tone.
Instead of the green smiley spam have a read of this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/
She can feck off with the pandering to victim's families, and the ads on TV politicizing the Sandy Hook event. If I'm not mistaken, Malloy has already endorsed her. I think CT will be an easy pickup for her.
Sanders knows that he can't win that race, and can easily cost the Democrats the race (some might argue that Perot cost the race to Bush)
Clearly you don't, because you said a) that she gets most of her funding from it, which isn't true, and b) that it's been set up for decades, when they only became a thing in 2010. You're complaining about the Clinton Foundation.I'm fully aware of what Super PACs are so there's no need for the patronising tone.
Instead of the green smiley spam have a read of this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/
Clearly you don't, because you said a) that she gets most of her funding from it, which isn't true, and b) that it's been set up for decades, when they only became a thing in 2010. You're complaining about the Clinton Foundation.
Then I'm not at all sure why you'd refer to it as a Super-PAC. Far more damaging to accuse her and Bill of creaming the top off a charitable foundation for their own political ends, rather than putting it in the bracket of such a widely used and legal mechanism.$1 billion from this foundation has gone into legal and political campaigns. It's not all benevolent philanthropy.