I can see the man is honest and he actually believes he would help people, the other candidates is about power and/or money
2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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This is pretty much what happened in Ohio. Exits showed a close race, early results looked at skeptically, ended up with a 14 point win.
Then why don't you vote for him ?
They said too close to call....Clinton leads by 21 points, with 37% reporting.
There's another Clinton county in NY state, what's the betting she loses that one too?
Because I'm not leftist and I don't believe in socialism at all
What are you then ? A Republican ?
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I hear the fat lady singing for Bernie. Quite a shame, but he never really even came close to overthrowing the Clinton Empire.
Most intriguing thing now is if the Republicans betray their own voters in a contested convention, if it even comes to that.
Interesting is that Trump is going to do well in all the Blue states and Clinton bested Sanders in all the Red states.
Either way, it looks like a Clinton Presidency. Unless we see another big outside reason, such as a major terrorist event or if one of her many scandals get significantly worse.
Most intriguing thing now is if the Republicans betray their own voters in a contested convention, if it even comes to that.
Interesting is that Trump is going to do well in all the Blue states and Clinton bested Sanders in all the Red states.
Either way, it looks like a Clinton Presidency. Unless we see another big outside reason, such as a major terrorist event or if one of her many scandals get significantly worse.
She's on about her third encore.
How does fecking Hillary keep winning Black votes?
Thank you
Watching The Young Turks and wow. The butthurt and passion. They're so in love with Bernie.
What a shit day. I think it's going to be 15, I look at the exit poll, feel slightly better, come back from work, and it's 15. 15.2, just to mock me.
Kasich is starting to piss me off. Why is he still in this.
Even if its a contested convention, Cruz has the better organization and will win. He has literally no chance of being the nominee.
Even if its a contested convention, Cruz has the better organization and will win. He has literally no chance of being the nominee.
Got to prevent Trump from getting the nomination here. And if it does go to a contested election, anything could happen.
He hasn't even passed Rubio's delegate total yet. It's ridiculous. If the establishment want to bring someone other than Cruz, they are better off bringing Rubio back at this point.
It won't come to that though. Either Trump will win on the first ballot or Cruz will win if it is contested. Cruz is much better organized for a delegate race. That's the other thing, if Kasich's plan was always to go to a contested convention, then why didn't he organize and plan better like Cruz did.
Wow, some heated words coming from Hillary Clinton's campaign team. Dirty politics after HRC on stage praising Sanders?
What a shit day. Don't know what goes on in the head of the electorate who vote for hillary. Thought he could win NYC and hence the state, since NYC has majority of the state's population.
He's opened the door for progressive leaders and politics, which is an achievement on its own. I wouldn't be surprised to see progressive politicians being voted down the tickets now.
He's opened the door for progressive leaders and politics, which is an achievement on its own. I wouldn't be surprised to see progressive politicians being voted down the tickets now.
Naa, he has opened up topics for debate that was considered untouchable in American politics. He has given Clinton a run for her money despite being branded with the 'C' word.
16 points win. Momentum. 
After the 26th, Sanders will have a string of states favorable for him. Rinse and repeat, if he can still keep the fundraising up, that is.
After the 26th, Sanders will have a string of states favorable for him. Rinse and repeat, if he can still keep the fundraising up, that is.
16 points win. Momentum.
After the 26th, Sanders will have a string of states favorable for him. Rinse and repeat, if he can still keep the fundraising up, that is.
On 26th, he'll pick up 1, at best 2 states?
He has a decent chance at Connecticut I think, and might tie Pensylvania, it's basically Alabama between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. That's it. However, this New York blow out win may turn a lot of undecideds off, which doesn't bode well for him.
Bernie should run as an independent. His campaign will undoubtedly be looking at that as an option. An independent running will decrease the votes the Dem nominee gets by splitting the vote, increasing the odds of Trump winning. But the truth is, both Clinton and Trump as president would be dangerous. Sanders must run as an independent.
As a voter replied on being asked whether he was a Sanders supporter, "We do not support Bernie. He supports us."
As a voter replied on being asked whether he was a Sanders supporter, "We do not support Bernie. He supports us."
I was listening to Dan Carlin's common sense podcast and he alluded to the ballot laws in US which makes it much tougher for candidates to run as independent, especially if they started as a fringe platform candidate like Sanders.
I live in CT, seems more like HRC this time. Sanders will do well in Rhode Island as it's also an open primary, but I think HRC will take Maryland (colored vote), Delaware and Pennsylvania with CT left to play for both.
If Bernie ran as an independent that would probably make the Republican runner favourite, right?
It's gonna be Trump vs Clinton, isn't it?
How depressing.
How depressing.
The thing with RI is that it's tiny. Only a 850k population. While the demographics seem favorable to Sanders, its proximity to NY and the fact that it's a reliable blue state suggests that there won't be that many independents to help him. CT is definitely doable, he trails by 6 points in the latest poll with about 10% undecideds. If they are willing to spend I think they can clinch it.
RI is as closer to Vermont than NY, isn't it? He'll have the independent votes to carry him forward. Newport is my favorite destination for travel and it's only 100 miles from where I live.
You might be right. I defer to your knowledge since I'm no expert about the state, just reading up on statistics. Lack of polling doesn't help either, think no one even bothered to do one.
Edit: on closer examination, there is a poll! A Brown University poll back in Feb, Clinton +9
Yeah, he's not a douchebag so he won't do it.
Bernie won't run as an independent but I'd love to see a president race with 4 candidates: Trump and Sanders as independent and Clinton/Cruz for the Dems/Republicans.
Perhaps the whole 2 party / collegiate voting system just needs to be scrapped and go for PR like most of Europe does... I wish we would do that in the UK
Both countries desperately need changes in their political systems, it's quite obvious that countries like NZ or Germany have better ones. But because they're the most successful big democracies of the modern world in terms of longevity it makes it unbelievable hard to find support for change. If something has been working for centuries people are hesistant to change anything even if better options are on the table.
I often think that the success of both, the US and Britain, in the past is their biggest handicap in today's time.
its also the fact that to put any change in place one has to win power under the old system... and if an organisation can win power under the old system then why would they risk putting in a new system (unless it was designed for their own benefit)
Revolution is the answer - but lets be honest with netflix, 4K curved 3D tv's and more porn than you can get through in a lifetime available on the internet who can be bothered with the overthrowing of a government
So is it end of Bernie? I am gutted
*Vince Carter over gif*
I'd rather he ran as an independent from the beginning. He entered the Democratic race knowing the odds were stacked against him. The honorable thing to do would be to help unify the base behind Hillary. Him scampering to an independent slot would be a bitch move. Hillary earned the right to focus all her energy on Trump/Cruz.
I wonder if Hillary may offer him a prominent position we would want to ensure he (and his supporters) are onside?
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