2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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They are debating next week though aren't they? I said a few months ago the race wasn't over then said it again a couple of months ago, then again last month and each time was laughed at and told I was talking rubbish and yet here we are just before the extremely important home state primary for both candidates of NY. The debate could be crucial and somehow Bernie manages to win NY then the pressure on many superdelegates to change their stance and switch will be immense and then the Dems will be facing exactly the same shit the Republicans are facing now. At least it's made things interesting again, and I don't think Hilary is helping herself with many of her comments about Bernie lately, not to mention yet again she is outright lying with some of them.

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Good post, but I nearly scratched my monitor trying to clean that loose dot in the end.
 
Why are you laughing? It's entirely true. I'm a democrat btw.

He died before he could do anything, and the Cuban Missile Crisis was something of his making. His advisers, civilian and military said that missiles on Cuba did not change the strategic outlook at the time. The US had something like 10x as many ICBMs at the time. Many times more strategic bombers at the time. Basically at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis the US was miles ahead in nuclear armaments and delivery systems.

His advisers told him that it wasn't really a big deal at all, and that they were roughly equivalent to the medium range nuclear missiles the US had stationed in Turkey and other nations on the doorstep of the USSR. The US had "Jupiter" class missiles in Turkey. The missiles in Cuba were taken as a political threat to him, and that is how he dealt with them. They were not deemed a military threat and he didn't really consider them as such in private. In public he stated they were essentially an imminent first strike threat.

An adviser of his recommended that through back channels the US could trade the Jupiter missiles in Turkey for the missiles in Cuba. Kennedy threw him under the bus, destroyed his career, and then went ahead and did exactly that. Kennedy also threatened Khrushchev that if the USSR made the deal public, Kennedy would back out of the deal and immediately reinstall the weapon systems on the Soviet border.

So, in short, Kennedy took the world to the brink of global annihilation, so he could look good. His civilian and military advisers did not consider the missiles on Cuba as representing an increase in the USSRs nuclear threat, nor a first strike weapon. He lied about what he was doing. He hid his deal with the USSR, and then he and his advisers invented a narrative that made the USSR look weak and made him look strong.

I guess laugh away. It must be fun not being educated :lol:

I don't know about advisors but there is some truth in the rest. What the US call the Cuban missile crisis began with the US introducing medium-range missiles to Turkey, the significance being that for the first time they could hit Soviet sites so quickly that the Soviets could not detect and respond before impact. The balance of Mutual Assured Destruction was over. The crisis ended when the US agreed to remove said missiles in the face of Soviet counter-deployment in Cuba, and status quo was restored. Quite how Kennedy came out of that as the hero that saved the world is more testament to his publicity machine than the chronological sequence of events.
 
Christ they really double down on that shit, this is going to be amazing :lol:



I don't get this, she has by far the highest Wall Street contributions but that is still a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of her fundraising, which is massive. So saying that she's going to be influenced by Wall Street is a bit daft way of ignoring sample size and proportions.
 
I don't get this, she has by far the highest Wall Street contributions but that is still a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of her fundraising, which is massive. So saying that she's going to be influenced by Wall Street is a bit daft way of ignoring sample size and proportions.

He's done. The criteria he cited in his original comment would disqualify Obama as well. There's not a cat's chance in hell he'll get the nomination now, and with the media coverage focused on this war of words, his original mission of focusing on issues is dead and buried.
 
He's done. The criteria he cited in his original comment would disqualify Obama as well. There's not a cat's chance in hell he'll get the nomination now, and with the media coverage focused on this war of words, his original mission of focusing on issues is dead and buried.

Well, he should have done it long time back because that's his selling point. He doesn't take any donations so there is no gray area about influence by the corporates. He's saying it now because it's his last chance in a critical phase.
 
Well, he should have done it long time back because that's his selling point. He doesn't take any donations so there is no gray area about influence by the corporates. He's saying it now because it's his last chance in a critical phase.

If he's gone negative since the beginning, it wouldn't have gained him the present following. One of his biggest selling point is 'focusing on issues'. The Clintons are no angels, but they've treated him much more civilly than they did to Obama in '08, not even a single instance of red-baiting.
 
If he's gone negative since the beginning, it wouldn't have gained him the present following. One of his biggest selling point is 'focusing on issues'. The Clintons are no angels, but they've treated him much more civilly than they did to Obama in '08, not even a single instance of red-baiting.

This is an election, not the 'who is more civil' contest. Don't think there's too much in it.

he calls himself a 'Christian'.

God knows what he is.

What are you implying here? It's like Republicans saying OBAMA IS A MUSLIM.
 
This is an election, not the 'who is more civil' contest. Don't think there's too much in it.

He's running for the Democratic Party nomination, how long you think he'd last if he came out of the gates swinging and saying that the presumptive front runner and by extension, sitting president/party leader, is unqualified?

Had he gone for that route, there would be a true shut out from the media and DNC. His campaign would be relegated to a fringe one.
 
He's running for the Democratic Party nomination, how long you think he'd last if he came out of the gates swinging and saying that the presumptive front runner and by extension, sitting president/party leader, is unqualified?

Had he gone for that route, there would be a true shut out from the media and DNC. His campaign would be relegated to a fringe one.

Tell me one election where the contestants haven't gone at each other for the throat? Media, DNC can all have their own favorites, but the candidates must do what they can do differentiate themselves. His campaign was a fringe campaign, but it's a major one now because of the votes he's earning.

You seem to think it's a big deal, but I don't think so. I'll let the others comment.

I meant what Cruz understands being a Christian is.

Everybody has their own interpretation of their own religion. You can call him a cnut, for being a cnut. I think it's below the belt to question someone's beliefs. Let's agree to disagree.
 
Tell me one election where the contestants haven't gone at each other for the throat? Media, DNC can all have their own favorites, but the candidates must do what they can do differentiate themselves. His campaign was a fringe campaign, but it's a major one now because of the votes he's earning.

There's none, but the criticism that a candidate is unqualified is reserved to the most extreme, demagogic ones.

let's leave it at that, I agree.
 
You seem to think it's a big deal, but I don't think so. I'll let the others comment.

Storm in a tea cup and something the press and people like IB will jump on and make out it's a huge deal when it's feck all really. Hillary has said her fair share of insults and demeaning comments and also lied about Bernie amongst other things. Compare it to what Donald Trump has said not only about his competitors but also about women, Muslims, Mexicans, Europeans, Asians, etc... Yeah, that's putting it in to perspective.

To think Bernie has "blown it" just because he asked a rhetorical question if "Hillary was unqualified or not" or made a suggestion that she was, is completely laughable. If Bernie doesn't win, it won't be because of these comments that's for sure.
 
It's highly unlikely the republican candidates all believe what they say they believe. Certainly I don't think they all believe the bat-shit global warming position, and I expect some aren't that arsed about religion either. They just align their 'beliefs' with the demographics to get elected. Democrats do the same shit, all be it with slightly less insane positions. The utter contempt that shows for democracy is astounding when you think about it.
 
I don't get this, she has by far the highest Wall Street contributions but that is still a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of her fundraising, which is massive. So saying that she's going to be influenced by Wall Street is a bit daft way of ignoring sample size and proportions.

I was actually surprised at how small the alleged amount is, $15 million. Between multiple institutions that's peanuts. United will pay more for a backup fullback these days.
 
Storm in a tea cup and something the press and people like IB will jump on and make out it's a huge deal when it's feck all really. Hillary has said her fair share of insults and demeaning comments and also lied about Bernie amongst other things. Compare it to what Donald Trump has said not only about his competitors but also about women, Muslims, Mexicans, Europeans, Asians, etc... Yeah, that's putting it in to perspective.

To think Bernie has "blown it" just because he asked a rhetorical question if "Hillary was unqualified or not" or made a suggestion that she was, is completely laughable. If Bernie doesn't win, it won't be because of these comments that's for sure.

Well no one made that specific claim, but it decreased his chance from 1% to somewhere much closer to zero.

To be honest, I'm enjoying this too much, because this validates my opinion of his campaign. A circle jerk of privileged white males high on ideal but low on substance, the usual far left perks.
 
Well no one made that specific claim, but it decreased his chance from 1% to somewhere much closer to zero.

To be honest, I'm enjoying this too much, because this validates my opinion of his campaign. A circle jerk of privileged white males high on ideal but low on substance, the usual far left perks.

That's extremely harsh. I think a lot of Bernie Sanders ideas are not workable, but that borders on the offensive. At the end of the day, he's doing his part to at least bring some issues into focus. Clinton otherwise would make her usual hawkish stances to appeal to the religious, right leaning centrist votes. Again, we'll have to disagree on that.
 
ya know...he will never live down that "Lyin Ted" moniker. Brilliant by Trump.

heard he is murdering the guy in NY rallies.

Trump's branding of Cruz is nothing short of genius. First day in NY and he's already reinforcing it, linking Cruz to NY values and 911 and even telling the crowd to make sure they add the apostrophe at the end of Lyin'. :lol:

 
That's extremely harsh. I think a lot of Bernie Sanders ideas are not workable, but that borders on the offensive. At the end of the day, he's doing his part to at least bring some issues into focus. Clinton otherwise would make her usual hawkish stances to appeal to the religious, right leaning centrist votes. Again, we'll have to disagree on that.

I have been on a picket line, worked the streets, attend meetings, help organize events for SAA (Socialist Alternative Australia), and in the process sometimes risked my visa, my education and my personal safety here. I'm well acquainted with far left politics and the things that made me disillusioned with it are ample to see in Sahders's campaign. An echo chamber not too dissimilar to the right's, the demonization on the ground of ideological purity for anyone who doesn't agree with them and obtuse denial on the facts and figures of reality. I have respect for Bernie because as much of an ideologue as he is, he put his skin in the game, but not so much the movement that surrounds him now.
 
I have been on a picket line, worked the streets, attend meetings, help organize events for SAA (Socialist Alternative Australia), and in the process sometimes risked my visa, my education and my personal safety here. I'm well acquainted with far left politics and the things that made me disillusioned with it are ample to see in Sahders's campaign. An echo chamber not too dissimilar to the right's, the demonization on the ground of ideological purity for anyone who doesn't agree with them and obtuse denial on the facts and figures of reality. I have respect for Bernie because as much of an ideologue as he is, he put his skin in the game, but not so much the movement that surrounds him now.

Again, I'm not questioning your credibility and your understanding of left politics or politics in general. Anyway you look at it, your post was harsh on Bernie Sanders, in my opinion. It's not just elitist white ideologues with fancy ideals for the poor.
 
That's extremely harsh. I think a lot of Bernie Sanders ideas are not workable, but that borders on the offensive. At the end of the day, he's doing his part to at least bring some issues into focus. Clinton otherwise would make her usual hawkish stances to appeal to the religious, right leaning centrist votes. Again, we'll have to disagree on that.
If he can make our government smaller, in other words just close any not necessary department (probably 90% :lol:), stop giving money to other countries, stop been the police of the world, stop this globalization no sense and he would have money to cover all our social issues.
 
For those who continue to insist that "socialist" Bernie knows nothing about business and doesn´t understand the modern economy . . .

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/07/bernie-sanders-business-genius-yes-actually.html

Bernie Sanders, Business Genius? Yes, Actually


Could Bernie Sanders, a self-described "democratic socialist" and Wall Street's biggest critic, be an entrepreneurial genius?

A closer look at the ideas and methods propelling the 'Feel the Bern' phenomenon, and interviews with entrepreneurial experts, show that the Sanders campaign has displayed plenty of business smarts tailored to today's market. His renewed momentum after a win this week in Wisconsin — making it 7 out of the last 8 contests for the Vermont senator — has been built on age-old entrepreneurial tricks and business trends that Sanders has turned into a large, vocal and "profitable" slice of the U.S. electorate.

To start — and to cover quickly what should by now be obvious — while Hillary Clinton and Republican candidates receive "handouts" from corporations and billionaire donors, Sanders has managed his campaign like an entrepreneurial start-up, funding it from the ground up.

After rejecting all super PAC support and special-interest money, Sanders focused heavily on small money donations. President Obama's original run for the Oval Office set this trend, but Sanders recently broke fundraising records with more than 6 million individual contributions, almost tripling the record set by Obama in 2011.

Sanders' marketing appeal has leveraged an American public growing more and more dissatisfied with campaign finance loopholes. Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, the Vermont-based founders of Ben & Jerry's, speaking from their car on the way to a Sanders campaign event, said, "It's all supported by the ultra-wealthy and the corporations, and that's the elephant in the room that nobody except Bernie wants to address." (cont)
 
Again, I'm not questioning your credibility and your understanding of left politics or politics in general. Anyway you look at it, your post was harsh on Bernie Sanders, in my opinion. It's not just elitist white ideologues with fancy ideals for the poor.

Not elitists, but the one less affected in social upheavals resulted from these sorts of 'political revolution'. No one is saying the game isn't rigged, but make a difference, have a clear plan, work for it. Elizabeth Warren crafted the CFPB without the aide of a 'revolution', actually get back the money for people affected by the crash. Her advocacy and work in the Senate prevented the appointment of Larry Summers to the FED's chair. That's real, meaningful changes that you can believe it. Attending a rally and harassing super delegates on social media is not.
 
I just think it's refreshing to see young people energised and want to vote and get interested in politics. It's clear they understand the importance of things like Climate change and they also see universal health care and better education as important things that should be available to everyone and not just the rich. And they also see the unfairness and disparity with the 1% and the money in politics and want to try to fight against that and change that too. That's something to be admired and applauded.

Feck all the activists and the rest of it, that disgusts me as much as anyone else, I just find the fact people are starting to fight back against the establishment and actually look at universal health care and education as rights and not privileges just for the rich now. It's also important people realise climate change is serious and when wankers like Trump mock it and scare people by saying Isis is more of a threat, well that type of ignorance disgusts and disturbs me in equal measure. The fact people buy in to it only saddens me even more.
 
For those who continue to insist that "socialist" Bernie knows nothing about business and doesn´t understand the modern economy . . .

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/07/bernie-sanders-business-genius-yes-actually.html

Bernie Sanders, Business Genius? Yes, Actually


Could Bernie Sanders, a self-described "democratic socialist" and Wall Street's biggest critic, be an entrepreneurial genius?

A closer look at the ideas and methods propelling the 'Feel the Bern' phenomenon, and interviews with entrepreneurial experts, show that the Sanders campaign has displayed plenty of business smarts tailored to today's market. His renewed momentum after a win this week in Wisconsin — making it 7 out of the last 8 contests for the Vermont senator — has been built on age-old entrepreneurial tricks and business trends that Sanders has turned into a large, vocal and "profitable" slice of the U.S. electorate.

To start — and to cover quickly what should by now be obvious — while Hillary Clinton and Republican candidates receive "handouts" from corporations and billionaire donors, Sanders has managed his campaign like an entrepreneurial start-up, funding it from the ground up.

After rejecting all super PAC support and special-interest money, Sanders focused heavily on small money donations. President Obama's original run for the Oval Office set this trend, but Sanders recently broke fundraising records with more than 6 million individual contributions, almost tripling the record set by Obama in 2011.

Sanders' marketing appeal has leveraged an American public growing more and more dissatisfied with campaign finance loopholes. Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, the Vermont-based founders of Ben & Jerry's, speaking from their car on the way to a Sanders campaign event, said, "It's all supported by the ultra-wealthy and the corporations, and that's the elephant in the room that nobody except Bernie wants to address." (cont)
Wait...what?
 
For those who continue to insist that "socialist" Bernie knows nothing about business and doesn´t understand the modern economy . . .

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/07/bernie-sanders-business-genius-yes-actually.html

Bernie Sanders, Business Genius? Yes, Actually


Could Bernie Sanders, a self-described "democratic socialist" and Wall Street's biggest critic, be an entrepreneurial genius?

A closer look at the ideas and methods propelling the 'Feel the Bern' phenomenon, and interviews with entrepreneurial experts, show that the Sanders campaign has displayed plenty of business smarts tailored to today's market. His renewed momentum after a win this week in Wisconsin — making it 7 out of the last 8 contests for the Vermont senator — has been built on age-old entrepreneurial tricks and business trends that Sanders has turned into a large, vocal and "profitable" slice of the U.S. electorate.

To start — and to cover quickly what should by now be obvious — while Hillary Clinton and Republican candidates receive "handouts" from corporations and billionaire donors, Sanders has managed his campaign like an entrepreneurial start-up, funding it from the ground up.

After rejecting all super PAC support and special-interest money, Sanders focused heavily on small money donations. President Obama's original run for the Oval Office set this trend, but Sanders recently broke fundraising records with more than 6 million individual contributions, almost tripling the record set by Obama in 2011.

Sanders' marketing appeal has leveraged an American public growing more and more dissatisfied with campaign finance loopholes. Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, the Vermont-based founders of Ben & Jerry's, speaking from their car on the way to a Sanders campaign event, said, "It's all supported by the ultra-wealthy and the corporations, and that's the elephant in the room that nobody except Bernie wants to address." (cont)

Friedman is correct. If Sanders stopped his half thought out bleating about breaking up the banks and talked more about job creation, he would be received much better among business people. As it stands, you will see massive capital flight from the US if Bernie is elected (which he won't be) since corporations are already burdened with the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world.
 
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