2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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He hasn't lost any of those post debate polls :lol:

The online polls (places like Drudge report) - I have gone in and voted for him every time. I'm like a broken record in here (:lol:), but Trump >>>>>Rubio>>Cruz

When it comes to policy, Rubio and Cruz are scary as hell.

Having said all that -

Trump needs to talk to his people and sort out some of his answers (his response to the illegal immigrants hiring and lying was - 'that was 38 years ago', which of course, allowed Rubio to put forward another zinger!

I think his lead is so massive in most of the Super Tuesday states - this debate performance won't matter (not to mention...he'll get everyone to forget the debate by doing what he did last night....go on every single morning morning on TV/Radio and talk about himself).
 
What's even more scary is that Cruz, and especially Rubio are young enough to stand for the next 4 or 5 elections, certainly 3 or 4. I can see Rubio polishing his act up a little and easily winning the GOP nomination in the future, all it will take is a Dem to have a mare of a Presidency, or suffer an attack like or worse than 9/11 or just have some seriously bad candidates for future elections or anything that could swing the US back around to the Republicans and that's it. Game over.

We can only hope there is a long line of decent and electable Democrats waiting in the wings, or up and coming that are able to fight these lunatics off. At the same time we can only hope that the Republicans bring through more moderate and centrist candidates that could appeal to the country more than this lot. I still cannot fathom that after the clusterfecks of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush and Cheney years that people are still hungry for more war and still want to impose their will/bully the rest of the world, let alone fathom people who think Bush and Cheney were actually good for America, let alone the rest of the world. I would really like to think that if for instance Rubio or Cruz were elected that most of the rest of the world leaders would strongly disagree with them and not bow to their bullshite like Blair did with Bush and Cheney. Hopefully the rest of us have learnt from those sickening wars even if the Republicans and many of their supporters obviously haven't.
 
Rubio if he doesn't succeed this time, will be back. Cruz is one and done. He won't evolve and everyone will just hate him even more as time passes :lol:
 
The re-election in 2020, assuming Clinton wins the presidency, will be critical to stopping any aspiration from Rubio. Two failed campaigns and you are finished. Cruz I don't think will amount to anything. The Donald got him good and he hasn't finished yet.
 
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InfiniteBoredom said:
The re-election in 2020, assuming Clinton wins the presidency, will be critical to stopping any aspiration from Rubio. Two failed campaigns and you are finished. Cruz I don't think will amount to anything. The Donald got him good and he hasn't finished yet.
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This is true. I'm hoping that Hillary's win this time round will be so emphatic that it'll take more than one cycle for the GOP to unwind it.

Also, the Donald 20 points ahead in PPP's Florida poll today.
 
Oh god it was the best bit!



Rubio actually did come across like a kid there :lol:
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The re-election in 2020, assuming Clinton wins the presidency, will be critical to stopping any aspiration from Rubio. Two failed campaigns and you are finished. Cruz I don't think will amount to anything. The Donald got him good and he hasn't finished yet.
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Neutral said:
Rubio if he doesn't succeed this time, will be back. Cruz is one and done. He won't evolve and everyone will just hate him even more as time passes :lol:
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Yeah, hopefully you are right on Cruz, but you never really know. Rubio is the worry though, and that's a big fecking worry. It only takes one term to undo all the good done beforehand, or to start WWIII and end the lot of us. What I can't fathom (on top of a lot of what I posted earlier) is how they are never put straight on their bullshite. Pretty much all the moderators in the debates have been shocking and let them run wild and not really called them out on their BS. I sincerely hope that changes when it moves to actual Presidential debates rather that the party candidate debates.

Mr Pigeon said:
What the hell? Please tell me that this isn't true, because those are shocking numbers.
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I've seen those figures in several articles recently. Shocking and very disturbing. It shows what the rest of us and an awful lot of Americans are up against though.
 
Ubik said:
This is true. I'm hoping that Hillary's win this time round will be so emphatic that it'll take more than one cycle for the GOP to unwind it.

Also, the Donald 20 points ahead in PPP's Florida poll today.
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What do you think about someone like Brian Sandoval? Latino, popular with blue collar voters, governor of a swing state, judicial cred. Granted, the establishment isn't exactly warm to him since he goes against some of their orthodoxy but I think he's a much stronger candidate than Rubio, theoretically.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
What do you think about someone like Brian Sandoval? Latino, popular with blue collar voters, governor of a swing state, judicial cred. Granted, the establishment isn't exactly warm to him since he goes against some of their orthodoxy but I think he's a much stronger candidate than Rubio, theoretically.
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Without question, was looking him up since the SCOTUS rumours and he seems normal - pro-choice, pro-renewables, fine with Obamacare and immigration reform. He'd unquestionably be tough to beat in a GE (and it wouldn't be the end of the world if he won, though I'm sure there are less positive aspects about him), but could he get through GOP primaries? Not sure :lol:
 
Ted Cruz is the GOP’s loneliest a-hole: His campaign is sinking because literally nobody likes him
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Once seen as the strongest challenger to Donald Trump, Cruz now finds himself fighting for second for one reason
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For a guy whose presidency is divinely ordained, Ted Cruz seems rattled.

Of all the GOP candidates, he’s the guy you would have least expected to lose his cool. We’ve seen how easy it is to throw Marco Rubiooff his game, though presumably his programmers could solve that problem with the right firmware update. Donald Trump has thin skin, though he covers it for his fans by lashing out and throwing around schoolyard insults until they all think he’s the strongest silverback in the herd.

By contrast, Cruz has so often seemed serene, so smug and convinced that occupying the White House is his destiny. You could practically see his desire for the presidency leaking from his pores. He seemed to have done his homework on how to run a campaign, building a solid ground game in the states. His town hall in New Hampshire, for example, was by far the most polished presentation of all the GOP events I attended up there.

But in the last couple of weeks, that cool seems to havedesertedhim. Cruz’s opponents have pushed back on the amateur-hour schemes coming from his campaign enough that he has seen fit to apologize for some of them. (That loud whirring noise you’re hearing is Richard Nixon spinning in his grave at 1000 rpm.) Not that the objects of the apologies were particularly forgiving. Ben Carson, who was upset by the campaign’s infamous attempt to convince reporters he was dropping out after the Iowa caucus, spent half an hourin a broom closet with Cruz. He emerged to say that the two men would have to “agree to disagree…on accountability and culpability” for the feud that had roiled the two campaigns. This was as polite a way as it is possible for Carson to say, “Get a load of this asshole.” But make no mistake, that’s exactly what he was saying.

Then there was the case of Cruz’s now-former communications director, Rick Tyler. A couple of days after the closet summit, Cruz abruptly fired Tyler over a misleading video he had posted that appeared to show Marco Rubio scoffing at the validity of the Bible. Since questioning the religious faith of a political rival is something Republicans only find acceptable when said rival is a Democrat (see: Obama, Barack), the Cruz campaign found itself taking enough fire to require a high-level sacrifice. So they tossed Tyler overboard, but not before making him apologize directly to Rubio first.

The whole spectacle has Cruz’s supporters confused. Some of them areworried, telling reporters that the campaign’s reputation for lying and dirty tricks was starting to hurt him with the electorate. What these supporters are really saying is that the lying and dirty tricks are so ham-handed as to cause doubt about Cruz’s political skills and ability in the long run, but the effect – building a narrative of a struggling campaign – was the same.

Meanwhile, Steve Deace, an Iowa talk-radio host who all but has Cruz’s face tattooed on his back like a cut-rate Roger Stone, took the opposite tack. Deace derided the campaign for apologizing to Carson, telling his audience he would “eunuch himself” if Cruz didn’t go back to being the butt-kicking, unapologetic alpha male that earned him the talk-show host’s affections in the first place.

All of this comes about as Cruz seems to have hit his ceiling. His game plan to win the nomination has always been a weird and unlikely one, relying as it did on voters who probably don’t exist and a belief that he could bully the GOP into coming around on him. His trust in this plan showed a complete lack of the political acuity he showed in building his organization. He finds himself mired in battles for second place in every primary, fighting Rubio for whatever scraps of voters haven’t been hoovered up by the Trump juggernaut. The divine plan is not unfolding as it should, and Cruz is not adjusting to the setbacks.

The disarray points out what has always been Cruz’s Achilles heel, which is now coming back to haunt him: Virtually everyone who gets to know him loathes him with the fiery intensity of a thousand supernovas. Remember the clip of him just after the end of the seventh Republican debate in January, wandering the stage looking for someone to talk to as all the other candidates turned their backs and ignored him? That was a visual representation of Cruz’s relationship to the entire GOP. Even a party with no power center anymore, a party that is little more than a collection of warring fiefdoms, seems united in one way — which is that none of them wants a thing to do with Cruz. He’s learning quickly that it might have helped to make at least one or two influential friends in the national party, instead of spending the last few years trashing it to anyone who would listen.

None of his opponents has even gone on record to deny Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. You’d think that would be a lay-up, but apparently not.

So this is the state of Ted Cruz less than a week before Super Tuesday. Hated by his party, incapable of getting anyone to like him. The GOP establishment has even made it clear that as much as they hate Trump, they would still prefer him as the party nominee. That alone must be galling to Ted Cruz, who has spent his entire life planning and plotting and gearing up for this run, only to see it swamped by a walking billionaire troll doll who has made a mockery of all the voter-fooling conservative arguments he was counting on to carry the day for him. You might even feel a tinge of sympathy for him, if he wasn’t such a galactically shitty jerk.
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:lol: :(
 
From what I've seen in that debate, it's pretty clear to me Rubio and Cruz are worse than Trump.
 
It takes a special kind of arsehole to have none of your colleague grant you even one minute on the Senate floor after 4 years working alongside them.
 
The next debate is on fox... and megyn kelly is one of the moderators
Will Trump turn up?
Its after Super Tuesday so theoretically the race could be down to 2 people (though probably more) by then and perhaps he will have such a lead at that point he feels that fox need him in the debates more than he needs the airtime
 
Bush - "low energy"
Cruz - "Liar" and "everyone hates him"
Rubio - "choker" and "Rubiobot"

Coming up with some great attack lines for the general.
 
Was a pretty sad moment when Rubio essentially called Palestinians terrorists. Cruz scoffing at Trum saying he would not let people die on the street was a pretty low moment.
Republican supporters have to look at themselves if Rubio and Cruz are the establishment candidates.
Kasich seems a decent guy. Saw him for the first time in a CNN SOTU interview with Candy Crawley in January last year. Came across very well.
 
Adisa said:
Was a pretty sad moment when Rubio essentially called Palestinins terrorists. Cruz scoffing at Trum saying he would not let people die on the street was a pretty low moment.
Republican supporters have to look at themselves if Rubio and Cruz are the establishment candidates.
Kasich seems a decent guy. Saw him for the first time in a CNN SOTU interview with Candy Crawley in January last year. Came across very well.
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Not surprising at all. Palestinians have been completely dehumanized. More importantly, American politicians in both parties might not care for a 100% of americans, but they all love ALL of Israel.

I enjoyed Rubio saying, the issue with Israel and Palestinian wasn't a real estate deal...when, that's exactly what it is!
 
langster said:
What's even more scary is that Cruz, and especially Rubio are young enough to stand for the next 4 or 5 elections, certainly 3 or 4. I can see Rubio polishing his act up a little and easily winning the GOP nomination in the future, all it will take is a Dem to have a mare of a Presidency, or suffer an attack like or worse than 9/11 or just have some seriously bad candidates for future elections or anything that could swing the US back around to the Republicans and that's it. Game over.

We can only hope there is a long line of decent and electable Democrats waiting in the wings, or up and coming that are able to fight these lunatics off. At the same time we can only hope that the Republicans bring through more moderate and centrist candidates that could appeal to the country more than this lot. I still cannot fathom that after the clusterfecks of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush and Cheney years that people are still hungry for more war and still want to impose their will/bully the rest of the world, let alone fathom people who think Bush and Cheney were actually good for America, let alone the rest of the world. I would really like to think that if for instance Rubio or Cruz were elected that most of the rest of the world leaders would strongly disagree with them and not bow to their bullshite like Blair did with Bush and Cheney. Hopefully the rest of us have learnt from those sickening wars even if the Republicans and many of their supporters obviously haven't.
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Hillary gets 8 years, after that Michelle can do 8 years, by that time, Chelsea will be ready.
 
Adisa said:
Was a pretty sad moment when Rubio essentially called Palestinians terrorists. Cruz scoffing at Trum saying he would not let people die on the street was a pretty low moment.
Republican supporters have to look at themselves if Rubio and Cruz are the establishment candidates.
Kasich seems a decent guy. Saw him for the first time in a CNN SOTU interview with Candy Crawley in January last year. Came across very well.
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It was telling that during many exchanges that Trump came out to be the most humane person on the stage. Planned parenthood, palestinians etc.
 
Cheesy said:
If there's one thing I kind of like about Trump, it's his ability to mercilessly rip into other Republicans.:lol:
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I have to admit to loving this as well, and in reality think it´s a great thing for the country, and the future of the Republican party as well. If people, or Republicans, think they´re going anywhere with Ted Cruz as a leader, they´re are more fecked in the head than I could have ever imagined. His outing of Cruz as the phoney little scheming douchebag that no one likes can only bide well for the Republicans to exorcise themselves from false prophets like Ted.

But Trump´s greatest hit so far though has to be the devastating bitch slapping of the mealy mouthed Jeb Bush and his brother´s presidency. Showed Bush to be the wimpy mommy´s boy with no substance and all those donor and special interest (read: establishment) cocks up his bum and down his throat. His personal insults and absolute thrashing of George Bush´s presidency was a thing of horrid beauty. Jeb! didn´t do anything to help himself either with the way he handled himself in his embarrassing town meetings.

But I still can´t get over what unbelievable arrogance and sheer stupidity of the Bush family and Republicans to try and foist another Bush on America after the dreadful disgrace to the economy, security, foreign policy, morale and dignity of George W Bush´s 8 year regime. And Trump´s honest and brutal bollocking of the Bush family and the Republican establishment will be the best thing for that party in the long run. I think Trump´s success against all his pathetic yes men Republican opponents is evidence enough.
 
Many in the media are saying Cruz and Rubio came out winners last night - that's completely wrong. Trump came out the winner. The former two looked extremely desperate to score points with time running out, Rubio in particular. They tried to play Trump's polemic games and in the process lost their dignity, as only Trump can behave like that and get away with it. As George Bernard Shaw once said,"......never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
 
Raoul said:
Many in the media are saying Cruz and Rubio came out winners last night - that's completely wrong. Trump came out the winner. The former two looked extremely desperate to score points with time running out, Rubio in particular. They tried to play Trump's polemic games and in the process lost their dignity, as only Trump can behave like that and get away with it. As George Bernard Shaw once said,"......never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
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good analysis.

Did Trump say..This is the New Republican Party.
 
Raoul said:
It was telling that during many exchanges that Trump came out to be the most humane person on the stage. Planned parenthood, palestinians etc.
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Yeah, I came away with that exact feeling as well. Especially at the moment Trump was talking about health care and telling Cruz he would´t be leaving people out on the street who needed medical attention while Ted just stood there with a face of evangelical zeal, as if to say that he would be totally fine with having the state allow people to die on the street if they hadn´ t paid for their private insurance.
 
Nobby style said:
I have to admit to loving this as well, and in reality think it´s a great thing for the country, and the future of the Republican party as well. If people, or Republicans, think they´re going anywhere with Ted Cruz as a leader, they´re are more fecked in the head than I could have ever imagined. His outing of Cruz as the phoney little scheming douchebag that no one likes can only bide well for the Republicans to exorcise themselves from false prophets like Ted.

But Trump´s greatest hit so far though has to be the devastating bitch slapping of the mealy mouthed Jeb Bush and his brother´s presidency. Showed Bush to be the wimpy mommy´s boy with no substance and all those donor and special interest (read: establishment) cocks up his bum and down his throat. His personal insults and absolute thrashing of George Bush´s presidency was a thing of horrid beauty. Jeb! didn´t do anything to help himself either with the way he handled himself in his embarrassing town meetings.

But I still can´t get over what unbelievable arrogance and sheer stupidity of the Bush family and Republicans to try and foist another Bush on America after the dreadful disgrace to the economy, security, foreign policy, morale and dignity of George W Bush´s 8 year regime. And Trump´s honest and brutal bollocking of the Bush family and the Republican establishment will be the best thing for that party in the long run. I think Trump´s success against all his pathetic yes men Republican opponents is evidence enough.
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that was how I saw it too.

I see Trump like the new Alexander the Great of the Republican party.......and when it is rebuilt....who will he hand it over to? He may just whisper...To the strongest.
 
Nobby style said:
I have to admit to loving this as well, and in reality think it´s a great thing for the country, and the future of the Republican party as well. If people, or Republicans, think they´re going anywhere with Ted Cruz as a leader, they´re are more fecked in the head than I could have ever imagined. His outing of Cruz as the phoney little scheming douchebag that no one likes can only bide well for the Republicans to exorcise themselves from false prophets like Ted.

But Trump´s greatest hit so far though has to be the devastating bitch slapping of the mealy mouthed Jeb Bush and his brother´s presidency. Showed Bush to be the wimpy mommy´s boy with no substance and all those donor and special interest (read: establishment) cocks up his bum and down his throat. His personal insults and absolute thrashing of George Bush´s presidency was a thing of horrid beauty. Jeb! didn´t do anything to help himself either with the way he handled himself in his embarrassing town meetings.

But I still can´t get over what unbelievable arrogance and sheer stupidity of the Bush family and Republicans to try and foist another Bush on America after the dreadful disgrace to the economy, security, foreign policy, morale and dignity of George W Bush´s 8 year regime. And Trump´s honest and brutal bollocking of the Bush family and the Republican establishment will be the best thing for that party in the long run. I think Trump´s success against all his pathetic yes men Republican opponents is evidence enough.
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Pretty much. I can't stand Trump in the slightest, and think he's an awful person, but there's almost something kind of refreshing in seeing him tearing into his fellow candidates relentlessly because he quite simply doesn't give a shit. Can almost see why any disillusioned Republican voters would admire that sort of thing.

As long as it doesn't actually result in him becoming President, I'm fine for him to keep at it.
 
There's something just really, weirdly creepy about Ted Cruz in general. As in, I'd feel kind of uncomfortable if I was in the same room as the man.
 
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