It would just further guarantee a GOP victory.
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It would just further guarantee a GOP victory.
If Elizabeth Warren runs with Bernie (though she has stated she doesn't want to run), it would be game over for Hillary IMO.
FEB. 11, 2016
Democratic debate – PBS
Time – 9 p.m. ET
Location – University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Moderators – Gwen Ifill, Judy Woodruff
Candidates – Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders
The debate will also air on CNN.
Democratic debate – PBS
Time – 9 p.m. ET
Location – University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Moderators – Gwen Ifill, Judy Woodruff
Candidates – Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders
The debate will also air on CNN.
would it - even against say trump? - I would have thought a woman on the ticket would be a massive positive against him?
Raoul, are you serious man?
There are few in Washington with more integrity that Elizabeth Warren...when she speaks, people listen.
He is a man of principle and a genuinely decent and honest person. He also has 30 years of experience in public office as mayor, Representative in House of Reps and as a Senator. But unfortunately for him, it was in NH, a place that is demographically homogeneous. That's the reason a majority of African Americans and Hispanic people don't really know him. And they form a large voting bloc for the Dems.
I disagree. It would strengthen Authenticity.
He is from Vermont. But yeah. The fact minorities don't know him has hurt him. But When people like Nina Turner of Ohio a former Clinton suppoter endorses Sanders with such passion, I have hope.
That's because you're biased and cheerleading for Bernie and his ilk. In reality, the likes of Cruz, Rubio, and Trump are salivating at the thought of not facing Hillary and would "absolutely luv it" if they faced Sanders. The US is an incredibly diverse country. If you've ever driven cross country and met the vastly different types of people, political persuasions, backgrounds etc, then you would know the game is not just about the small niche of leftist Bernie fans, but a much broader political base of conservative people who are spread across many states. All many of these people need to hear is that the Government is going to tax them more and they will show up at the polls to vote for whoever says they will stop further government interference.
Yes, Warren is very popular with the Democrat base. The leftist Democrats really love her. She's brought up the evils of Wall Street money in politics in the Senate multiple times. Rumour is that she and Bernie had a talk and decided that they both wouldn't run for President as it would divide the leftist vote. Bernie ended up running then.
There was immense pressure from female Democrat senators and Congress members like Nancy Pelosi etc for Warren to publically endorse Hillary. But she still hasn't. I hope she endorses Bernie. A Sanders - Warren ticket would be very powerful and middle class voters would identify with them. If that happens in the general election, Sanders would get the independent votes as well as many Republican votes as well.
They clearly don't listen since she is not running for President.
The reason Bernie and Trump have strong and growing followings is because people are waking up to the lies of politicians. Their lot has not changed. In fact got worse.
When Bernie speaks people listen, because they believe him.
The same can be said of Trump - in which case it isn't really about Sanders or Trump, its about populism and an underlying frustration people on the left and right have about the current political system.
Maybe for Bernie, but Trump just spots popular rhetoric. If there ever could be a president worse than Bush, it'd be Trump.
I have hope as well. Nina Turner and Cornel West are backing him. The Clinton camp are smearing Bernie by saying that he doesn't care for African Americans. Just ridiculous. This is a man who marched with MLK during the March to Washington! Unlike Hillary who just hops on board and supports whatever policies that she thinks will get her supporters.
I despise Hillary. She doesn't even stand for anything. For example, she was against same sex marriage until 2 years back, when her advisors told her that opinion in the US in this matter is changing. So she came out in support for it. Also, she voted for the Iraq war. Now she's trying to brush that off as a 'mistake'. She got the most important foreign policy vote in the past 15 years in Congress wrong. And she still tries to sell herself as a president who would be good at foreign policy and that Sanders is inexperienced. Bull!
This thread is beginning to make the West Wing look pragmatic and rightwing.
Both of them 'tell it like it is'. Ok trump is tapping into the fears of people. But he is also saying the Republican party has let them down by not being for ordinary people but being for special interests. People who have funded them. He is right. Bernie is addressing the gross injustice of the political system that has left families worse off. They obviously have different solutions.
Bernie and Trump have given voices to the frustrations and injustices of the current political system. So why should they trust 'politicians'.
This may sound wierd coming from a far left Liberal. But I think Trump will be many times better than Bush.
some talk today that Hillary should pick Warren for VP if she won the nomination. I would be very disapointed in Warren if she agreed.
She would be daft to turn it down, and in a way, it would unite both factions of the Democratic Party - establishment and progressive - under a unified ticket. People who support Sanders would surely vote for a ticket with Warren on it.
Hillary's vote for the Iraq war was pure political calculation. Sending troops to war. Deaths of hundreds of thousands. Shuddering if you think about it. Should she become President, there is much she needs to atone for.
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It would mean she has to drink from the same poison.
Victory for ordinary people is not just about winning an election.
Ordinary people need to have a voice. Warren cannot speak with any sense of justice and integrity once she has 'made the deal'.
Wasn't the popular opinion like 50-50 on the war?
Conspicuous lack of the word 'religion' when discussing diversity. For a country with America's (supposed) founding tenet of religious freedom, that's a telling influence from Trump's campaign.
I honestly don't know what it was at the time. Everybody looked at the same information. Hillary voted for the war and later tried to walk it back. Its only now she has said it was a mistake.
She speaks to her experience. Yes. she has that. But when you vote for a Presidnet, you need to vote for someone who has integrity. This is why she fails the Trust test.
It is one thing to cast a political vote. But when it involves Deaths.... A leader should be prepared to lay down his or her life rather than do what she and others did. She need not have done that. All she had to do was cast a No vote.
Separation of State and Church is the founding tenet. Thank God there is no mention of religion
You don't think it's a good idea to bring people of different religions 'together'? I think that's incredibly important in the current climate. More so than it has been in a long time.Separation of State and Church is the founding tenet. Thank God there is no mention of religion
In any other election year, religion differences would be mentioned alongside race, gender, sexuality, etc.
no need to mention it all. Religion causes us to see differences. They are absolutes. The ad referes to humanity and what we all have in common. The richness of culture and what we can learn and be richer by.
Will that Democratic debate be shown live on CNN or PBS in the UK and Ireland?
You certainly seem to. But let's work to no longer make that the case.
I did not bring religion into the discussion....you did.
It amongst the main factors that 'cause us to see differences' as you said. It's the driving factor behind issues like accepting Syrian refugees. You could dismiss racial differences similarly.
In any other campaign, Sanders would have mentioned it. Because he's got Trump on the horizon, he can't.
I only referred to it when you mentioned it. Was not even thinking of it. I said it makes us see differences. How difficult is to see the similarity between you and someone who is from another country is of a different race. Not difficult at all. When you talk of religion, you get into absolutes. Though all relgions I suppose talk about doing 'good', you eventually come to talking about why your faith is 'right'. And as usual the shit hits the fan....
I'm not defending religion. I'm saying that religion discrimination is one of the main things that keeps us from bringing 'people together'. It should be on the same list of issues that Sanders mentioned. Interfaith dialogue and cooperation is hugely successful in many parts of the world and the US. Encouraging it could help heal a lot wounds, but Bernie is being advised not to bring it up. Its exclusion is conspicuous and disappointing.I only referred to it when you mentioned it. Was not even thinking of it. I said it makes us see differences. How difficult is to see the similarity between you and someone who is from another country is of a different race. Not difficult at all. When you talk of religion, you get into absolutes. Though all relgions I suppose talk about doing 'good', you eventually come to talking about why your faith is 'right'. And as usual the shit hits the fan....
super delegates....comedy.
What did Obama have to do with fracking? If anything, it became more difficult to do and a much cleaner process under his watch.
The super delegates will switch if Sanders is looking good. However I think these kinda stories are hurting her more than helping. Even the whole saga where the DNC tried to 'hide' the debates probably helped Sanders.
While the establishment tries to ease the path for Hillary, these actions are actually helping Sanders by giving him more fuel for the whole "us vs them" siege mentality that has made him successful.
Don't think it'll win him any votes. Trump is playing up Islamophobia and get it's share of silent supporters. Even Obama had problems with refugee immigration as most current state governors are against it. It's just politics.
Great video, just goes to show how disconnected from the average citizen Hillary has become.
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