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Ole_Aged_Slow_Poke
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Sanders leading so far amongst women.
Clinton camp has a lot of soul searching to do tonight.
Clinton camp has a lot of soul searching to do tonight.
Hillary 18% behind...that's a pretty significant defeat. A loss obviously wasn't a surprise, but there is no way to spin this positively.
I suppose she could hold on to the minority voters angle, but just as importantly...she needs to figure out how to get women aged 18-34 to vote for her - atm this group is with Bernie.
Sanders leads by 21% now. Bad bad situation for Hillary.
Anything else would be disastrous for his momentum. I'd feel a lot better if he were to win by a margin close to the highest of projections, though.
I'm actually enjoying watching the establishment Hillary-bots squirm around. Nothing better than an annointed candidate having to eat some humble pie. Shame it won't last since this is Bernie's last strong state.
We said that for an awfully long time with Jeremy Corbyn.I'm actually enjoying watching the establishment Hillary-bots squirm around. Nothing better than an annointed candidate having to eat some humble pie. Shame it won't last since this is Bernie's last strong state.
I'm not so sure.
We said that for an awfully long time with Jeremy Corbyn.
Big win tonight helps. Americans like winners.Sanders isn't even close in any of the other states. Hillary is winning by 30% in most other places.
Sanders isn't even close in any of the other states. Hillary is winning by 30% in most other places.
Big win tonight helps. Americans like winners.
Time shall tell. I suspect you are right, I just don't share your certainty.Its not so big when you consider he's from the state next door. This was always going to be his strong state. It won't transfer to the south where Hillary is thrashing him.
Its not so big when you consider he's from the state next door. This was always going to be his strong state. It won't transfer to the south where Hillary is thrashing him.
Time shall tell. I suspect you are right, I just don't share your certainty.
I saw an anlysis that his votes came more from the Southern border with MA. And are we sure that he is more well know and popular than Hillary Clinton?
He is losing decisively in all the polls in other states. Its not like she is beating him by 5 points in those places. She is clobbering him by 30.
He is losing decisively in all the polls in other states. Its not like she is beating him by 5 points in those places. She is clobbering him by 30.
Hillary will still be heavy favourites.
The difference between them is the message. She is not offering anything new. People do not want the same ol ..same ol. They are fed up on both sides against establishment politics.
Just saying...my wife started out so entusiastic wanting to vote for Hillary, the first woman President. She now is fired up to vote for the Bern.
It's not a bad speech tbh, she sounds better than almost every other time I've seen her.Just listening to her speech.
Okay...Women Rights. Black Lives...LGBT...
I'm shrugging my shoulders. So what...Bernie is for all those things.
What else???
Is the point not that she is also happy clappy liberal, at times, whilst being more 'electable' than her opponent.Just listening to her speech.
Okay...Women Rights. Black Lives...LGBT...
I'm shrugging my shoulders. So what...Bernie is for all those things.
What else???
Yeah. I first started following American politics when Bush was elected. The idea of Obama followed by Hilary would've been a beautiful dream back then. It really isn't so bad.It's not a bad speech tbh, she sounds better than almost every other time I've seen her.
Elizabeth Warren was the dreamYeah. I first started following American politics when Bush was elected. The idea of Obama followed by Hilary would've been a beautiful dream back then. It really isn't so bad.
Just listening to her speech.
Okay...Women Rights. Black Lives...LGBT...
I'm shrugging my shoulders. So what...Bernie is for all those things.
What else???
Just googled. She is pretty fit!Elizabeth Warren was the dream
She even pinched a few of Bernie's favourite lines. It wasn't a badly written speech at all - it's just when it comes from her it sounds shrill and prepared and lacks any form of sincerity or authenticity. You could tell by how hard she was trying, this was supposed to be her Obama in Iowa '08 moment. It wasn't.