2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

[VP]

Working class folks voting for a crooked billionaire - what a spectacular failure for the liberal left this is.

I think it's partly been driven by sanctimonious attitude which simply polarizes - some of it which can be seen in this thread. Instead of wanking to John Oliver videos or arrogantly dismissing entire groups of people as thick and racist, the liberals should have engaged more with the issues that matter to these people.

 

[DatIrishFella]

Donald Trump is on the verge of being the most powerful man on the planet.

Donald Trump. Donald Trump. Donald Trump!!

 

[Member 55443]

Yes and I sympathize, once life standards drop, people just don't like it. If you take away my internet and electricity for a week, I would be very very angry. That doesn't change the fact however that I still have a much better life than the majority in the world past and present. I think this is what is happening in the US and UK and large parts of Europe sadly. Standards have dropped but they dropped from an 8 to a 7 if you will whereas the normal average elsewhere and throughout history is barely 4 or 5. So of course to the former, it still feels bad and everything is wrong and change needs to come NOW. I sympathize with that, it is just confusing when that feeling is THAT strong that they would tolerate the likes of Trump or Farage.

You're right there is a severe lack of perspective.

 

[crappycraperson]

Black people only make up like 12% of this country.

White people carried Trump to this victory.

Ann Coulter was right after all. She said after Romney loss that it was the white vote that lost him the election not the diverse one.

 

[Melvyn]

There's room because the spiders keep killing everyone.

Nah dropbears

 

[roseguy64]

I'm just absolutely disgusted.

 

[Ubik]

How much of an affect did the Comey letter have on the election result? The polls went back into the margin of error following it, was that the final straw?

They recovered afterwards though, and the polling error looks like more than the MoE, looks more structural. Wisconsin was out by approaching 10 points.

 

[Fener1907]

How did this even happen? Is it because, as many said here, people were too ashamed to admit they were voting for trump?

It wouldn't be a first, would it? I don't know why we rely so heavily on those polls when it's been proven time and time again that people are unpredictable and unreliable.

Maybe change the questions - Hilary's a bit of a knob: Agree / Disagree.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Do you think Obama has been (or has been perceived as) a good president by the electorate?

While i think he has done a deal of good for American politics domestically, some of his intentions fell short. More topically, Democratic voters clearly didn't buy into Hillary as a legacy candidate. The juxtaposition with both Obama and Bernie, only went to highlight these negatives.

On the other hand...Obama was a leading advocate of something like TPP, a treaty that is unpopular with people on both sides of the aisle.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

She's just a terrible campaigner in general. Lacks the minimum amount of charm and charisma required to get people excited.

But, she was running against a candidate who did not seem to be even trying to win the election. He literally did nothing you would expect a presidential candidate to do.

 

[Raoul]

Holy crap - Nasdaq and S&P breakers have been triggered. Futures down over 800

 

[Dan]

Oh feck, I just woke up to this. Is she done?

 

[Member 55443]

As a uni student in a Western country you're definitely right in a way. No one my age actually expects to fulfill any dreams they might have had as a kid, or the dreams of there parents. No one believes they'll get into the property market, have job stability, they don't know if they'll get married or have kids. It just seems to be very bleak for a lot of people under 40.

Meanwhile they see the political and business elite literally creaming billions out of their countries with war and corruption and now they fancy taking a swing back at them. Good riddence to Hilary Clinton

 

[Eboue]

While i think he has done a deal of good for American politics domestically, some of his intentions fell short. More topically, Democratic voters clearly didn't buy into Hillary as a legacy candidate. The juxtaposition with both Obama and Bernie, only went to highlight these negatives.

On the other hand...Obama was a leading advocate of something like TPP, a treaty that is unpopular with people on both sides of the aisle.

Or rather the rust belt working class voters saw her as a legacy candidate to Bill Clinton who screwed them over in the 90s

 

[Silva]

Oh feck, I just woke up to this. Is she done?

It's pretty much over. Get used to hearing President Trump.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Holy crap - Nasdaq and S&P breakers have been triggered. Futures down over 800

That will come back. Markets don't react well to unexpected political results.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

While i think he has done a deal of good for American politics domestically, some of his intentions fell short. More topically, Democratic voters clearly didn't buy into Hillary as a legacy candidate. The juxtaposition with both Obama and Bernie, only went to highlight these negatives.

On the other hand...Obama was a leading advocate of something like TPP, a treaty that is unpopular with people on both sides of the aisle.

Well he has a 54% approval rating which is really high with how partisan this country is.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

lol no

We're alright down here, just don't go near Wolf Creek. And avoid the Crocodiles, Huge Kangaroos, poisonous spiders, practically all of the top poisonous snakes, that monsterously sized huntsman spider, sharks and pretty much a myriad of animals that could eat/kill you

 

[Silva]

We're alright down here, just don't go near Wolf Creek. And avoid the Crocodiles, Huge Kangaroos, poisonous spiders, practically all of the top poisonous snakes, that monsterously sized huntsman spider, sharks and pretty much a myriad of animals that could eat/kill you

Mate, them spiders that live in the toilet and bite your ball sack. That shit ain't right.

 

[hobbers]

I'd be interested to hear you explain that.

Trump is winning this election on the back of mass disenfranchisement. These people are not privileged. Not to the level of your typical college educated social justice twitter warrior at any rate.

Your racism is showing

Nope.

 

[Raoul]

That will come back. Markets don't react well to unexpected political results.

I don't remember this happening in August of 2014 during the devaluation crash.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

We're alright down here, just don't go near Wolf Creek. And avoid the Crocodiles, Huge Kangaroos, poisonous spiders, practically all of the top poisonous snakes, that monsterously sized huntsman spider, sharks and pretty much a myriad of animals that could eat/kill you

This is why Canada is soooo much better than Oz.

 

[entropy]

 

[JustAFan]

Only time I can remember feeling this bad about an event in my country, was 9-11.

 

[crappycraperson]

Working class folks voting for a crooked billionaire - what a spectacular failure for the liberal left this is.

I think it's partly been driven by sanctimonious attitude which simply polarizes - some of it which can be seen in this thread. Instead of wanking to John Oliver videos or arrogantly dismissing entire groups of people as thick and racist, the liberals should have engaged more with the issues that matter to these people.

This is partly true.

 

[GloryHunter07]

What have i just woken up to?

 

[Silva]

This is why Canada is soooo much better than Oz.

I do like staying indoors cos it's too cold. Are you short of lazy bums right now by any chance?

 

[PvsNP]

What have i just woken up to?

A nightmare.

 

[Raoul]

Sam Wang can eternally feck off with his 99%

 

[Piratesoup]

The Shy Tory Factor hit the USA hard.

 

[legolegs]

So this is it. It's over and Trump actually won.
Don't even know what to say.

 

[roseguy64]

I've just skipped the last 30 pages. So not sure if it's been discussed.

This just sticks in the craw. White people took their country back. Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court will be conservative. Civil rights, abortion and gay rights will take a pummeling.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Trump is winning this election on the back of mass disenfranchisement. These people are not privileged. Not to the level of your typical college educated social justice twitter warrior at any rate.



Nope.

Trump is going to win the college educated white vote.

 

[GDaly95]

He's winning easily.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

This guy on Fox that looks like he was born out of an affair between Gollum and Stifler's mom is wearing shoes that look like they were made from neon reptile skin...

 

[entropy]

I've just skipped the last 30 pages. So not sure if it's been discussed.

This just sticks in the craw. White people took their country back. Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court will be conservative. Civil rights, abortion and gay rights will take a pummeling.

Depressing as feck.

 

[Member 55443]

While i think he has done a deal of good for American politics domestically, some of his intentions fell short. More topically, Democratic voters clearly didn't buy into Hillary as a legacy candidate. The juxtaposition with both Obama and Bernie, only went to highlight these negatives.

On the other hand...Obama was a leading advocate of something like TPP, a treaty that is unpopular with people on both sides of the aisle.

The reason I ask is because Obama seemingly is the opposite of Trump morally etc but has he been good enough a president to really convince anyone that it's a fundamental part of the job?

You also say that this election as been all about the individuals but I think the total opposite is true. The election was all about the establishment vs anti establishment. You say yourself you're surprised how all the bad things he's said and done haven't affected his chances - his message was the most important thing not him. Could have had Bernie Sanders in his position saying the same things and things would be similar, I think personnel was the least important factor with Trump.

 

[Insanity]

Working class folks voting for a crooked billionaire - what a spectacular failure for the liberal left this is.

I think it's partly been driven by sanctimonious attitude which simply polarizes - some of it which can be seen in this thread. Instead of wanking to John Oliver videos or arrogantly dismissing entire groups of people as thick and racist, the liberals should have engaged more with the issues that matter to these people.

They had a liberal who was connecting to some of those people. Though, he was sabotaged by his own party.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Jesus

This is why opinion polls didn't work with Brexit and this. While there is a vocal minority will openly admit to being racist there are far more who still hold on to some values that would now be considered racist. Those people won't admit out loud that they want to get rid of Muslims and stop their country becoming more multicultural.
Now I'm not saying that everybody who voted for Brexit or trump did it because of a racist view point but a large portion of both populations did.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

This is why Canada is soooo much better than Oz.

Just came back from Canada - Banff and Toronto in particular. I would gladly move there TBH, beautiful country with lovely people. I felt Toronto was a lot like Melbourne (where I'm from).

We are brother countries.