I wouldnt be sad seeing him go to Bayern. It is written in the stars if he will return to his best. In this form, we can find similar or better.
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I know right, hope these Bayern rumours go the same way as the Depay PSG/Liverpool ones.That's quite mouth-watering midfield alright Riz
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Shit thing is man, the rumours about Depay were on the money.
Hard not to get our hopes up with all these links with top players, but i can see why so many on here decide to stay the hell away from the Transfer Forums - it always seems to turn into a head-f*ck for all of us..
Yeh thinking about it you're spot on, they were both interested and it'll be a lot harder to fend off Bayern than PSG, throw in the fact he's German and we're facing a losing battle.
Top German players seem to be home-birds (bar Kroos & Khedira) & you cant blame them for that. Also, if you're a German player - you have the old adage "when Bayern come calling.." - much like we have with United in English football..
On Mutv 5 seconds ago, the columnist on said sources within the club have dismissed the link with Gundogan.
We are obviously getting Schweinstiger. Can't argue with that.
You'd expect there's definitely a higher chance if Gundogan does end up at Bayern.
I'd be happy with him too.
The good thing about this transfer is that we will almost certainly know where he is going next week, after the German Cup final.
Difference with Depay was we knew if LVG wanted him he will get him because of the Dutch connection. There's no connection here at all....
Bollocks. Did you not hear his girlfriend's masseuse's brother in law used to work for David Gill's wife's favourite chef? There were pictures leaked on goal.com and everything.
I don't get it, where are these rumours he's joining Bayern surfacing from?
I always thought Gundogan was quoted as saying he wanted to move abroad, so not believing the Bayern story just yet.
If it is true then surely even Bayern can see that this isn't healthy for their league, ultimately it'll all become a bit boring.
If it is true then surely even Bayern can see that this isn't healthy for their league, ultimately it'll all become a bit boring.
If we were able to sign Matic, Hazard and Aguero this summer and take Azpilicueta and David Silva the next I doubt we'd care about how competitive the league would be.
They dont care, as long as they win. They can tell what they want in front of the cameras, but why would they not buy the best players in the league when they can? And that for decent fees. Dortmund will survive, if not, someone else will emerge. Bayern always did it and they will continue to do so.
This is true and if it wasn't for our takeover, and the Russian, then Arab money then it could well have been a very similar set up in the PL, maybe even more so as I reckon we could well have won the last 10 titles if it wasn't for the above, but then the premiership wouldn't have become what it is today, and probably a lot of people would have got bored along time ago.
Competition is good it's just hard sometimes to admit it.
Who could ever get bored of Manchester United winning the league every year?!
Yeah, matter of fact I did, my milkman's neighbours sisters husband went to school with the waiter in the restaurant where Gundogans girlfriends masseuse's brother-in-law used to work for Gills wife's favourite chef.
Who could ever get bored of Manchester United winning the league every year?!
Second that.
I don't give a feck about boredom if United keep winning the league year after year.Bit gutted if we miss out on him, which looks likely now.
But schweinstiger would make me feel a whole lot happier. A proven veteran german CM in a united shirt? Yes please.
But schweinstiger would make me feel a whole lot happier. A proven veteran german CM in a united shirt? Yes please.
Again, why does this look likely now? As far as I'm concerned the most likely destination is the Premier League.
Can't we get martinez... I think he would be awesome in the premier league especially with herrera
If you have an answer to your question, I'm also interested.
As far as I can tell, because some guy on Twitter said so.
Seems there was a rumour going round yesterday that claimed Bayern would announce the signing after the Cup final today, 25 million Euros + Hojbjerg in a trade.
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The most recent rumour relating to Gundogan going to Bayern comes from jan aage fjortoft, an ex footballer who seemed to have built a reputation on being one of the first to announce the Ozil to Arsenal transfer. About a month ago he said Gundogan was coming to us, about 2 weeks ago he said it was between Atletico and Arsenal, and now he's going to Bayern as part of a swap deal (the ever popular swap deal rumour despite it almost never happening). A lot of people sourced this to a comment made by Bayern sporting director Sammer, he was quoted as saying Gundogan was an interesting player. In that same interview he also called Di Maria wonderful, De Bruyne fantastic and Griezmann great, hardly a revelation.
Gundogan himself stated previously he'd like to move abroad and with Barca having a transfer ban and Madrid facing a possible ban as well, it seems a little less likely he'll be plying his trade in Spain next year, Dortmund have also previously stated they wouldn't sell to Bayern again.
Now I'm not saying he isn't going to Bayern, or Spain for that matter but as things stand the PL seems his most likely destination.
Progressive rumours, twitter, websites, all we have to go off at this point. 'Looks likely' was a poor choice of words. 'The way talk is going at the moment' would push it that way.
And when you look at dortmunds sales to bayern...just gives me a bad feeling.
@ivaldo Thanks, for the summary.
I really don't know why people are doing that to themselves, from the beginning this Gundogan saga was shady. No one knows exactly what he wants and who wants him.
I really don't know why people are doing that to themselves, from the beginning this Gundogan saga was shady. No one knows exactly what he wants and who wants him.
They only sold Gotze, Lewandowski left as a free agent. And Gotze had a clause.
Not a problem. We really don't know where he'll end up, he's such an anomaly because we all know what a quality player he was before his back injury, we just don't know what club will be willing to take a risk on him returning to that level. We seemed most likely for a while because of the Der Westen pieces, they aren't know for random rumours and they have stuck to their guns up until this point. Under LVG we also seem to keep our cards close to the chest so most leaks come from the selling club and not from our end, recently it seems transfers go cold around us until we actually make the signing too. I don't know, We will see.
If he is over his back problems, he would be a fantastic buy.
It's so weird how that's such a big deal on the Caf. Dortmund signed Castro from Leverkusen, Wolfsburg Kruse from Gladbach, Kramer moves back to Leverkusen from Gladbach and no one cares. That's already 3 transfers between German top clubs this summer without Bayern being involved in it. Yet if Bayern signs a player from the 7th placed team in the league, we're supposedly ruining everything. Players move between top teams in the Bundesliga all the time. The rivalries aren't as strong as they are in England. Dortmund signed Reus from Gladbach when Gladbach finished in the top 4 3 years ago, but no one cared either.
Gündogan wants to leave this summer, so the most important thing for Dortmund is to get as much money as possible. I don't want us to sign him for various reasons, but if we pay more than United, it's better for Dortmund if he moves to us. It's really that simple. It doesn't matter one bit for the competitiveness of the league where Gündogan goes as long as he leaves anyway. Dortmund or all the 2nd tier German teams need to continue to grow financially so that they get into a position where they can keep their players. A stupid 'we only sell abroad' attitude won't help them to achieve that goal. When Leverkusen denied Vidal the move to Bayern and sold him on the cheap to Juve instead, they gained feck all. We signed Martinez soon after and Leverkusen was left far behind anyway. Yet according to many people, that's the way to keep the league healthy? It makes zero sense, non at all.
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If we buy Gündogan and let Hojbjerg leave to Dortmund, I'm really pissed. That would be such a stupid move. I'm not even sure how we would fit Gündogan, Alaba and Thiago into the same midfield anyway, they're all kinda similar in how they want to play, but we need a replacement for Schweinsteiger/Alonso. We should keep our midfielders, decide how we want to use Martinez and Alaba, give Hojbjerg and Gaudino significantly more playing time and if neither of those two is good enough to trust longterm, buy Xhaka or Geis next year.
Hargreaves reckons he's not going to be able to hack the 'hustle and bustle' of the Premier League. Owen feckin' Hargreaves.
Hargreaves really does not seem to like him! Does he have a sister Gundogan slept with and never called back or something?
Sounds about right.
I think its just because Hargreaves is a bitter idiot
Still don't get the sky sports speculation about him a few weeks back, it's rare they spout bollocks.
Think he'll end up at Bayern myself.
Think he'll end up at Bayern myself.
Hey I know it's very good business on Bayern's behalf, they are clearly the top dog in Germany and I can see why many of the players from the other clubs want to go there when they have the chance. The Bayern model is one United admire as far as I have heard, by that I mean plucking the best talent from their own league, and on the cheap if possible, all I'm saying is outside looking in it doesn't sit right Bayern harvesting Dortmund whenever they can, whether that's down to a begrudging admiration is possibly true, but I do think rightly or wrongly it makes the Bundesliga less appealing to the wider audience atm.
Re Schweinsteiger/Alonso I really hope it's the former, maybe you are better informed as to how possible it is that Schweinsteiger is seeking a new challenge? I would love to see him as our first German playing at United.
Hopefully his future is decided one way or another in the very near future. Bayern admittedly look the most likely as of this moment but I hope we're in for him at least, other than the impossible targets like Pogba and Verratti there's only Schneirderlin I'd want more as our CM signing.
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