Figo- £37.2 million in 2000.
Axel Witse. €40 million 2012
Javi Martinez to bayern €40 million
And so on and so on.
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Figo- £37.2 million in 2000.
Axel Witse. €40 million 2012
Javi Martinez to bayern €40 million
And so on and so on.
So no one except for Zidane.
Di Maria cost £60m on the basis of his performances in midfield for Real Madrid last season. Plenty of midfielders who'd have cost £50m+ chose to remain at their clubs for a long time - Iniesta and Xavi in their prime were £50m midfielders, Schweinsteiger would have easily cost £40m during his best days and I'd have expected Lampard and Gerrard to have cost near to £40m in their prime as well (ditto Scholes if he were to leave around 2004 IMO, even Pirlo in his prime at Milan was probably a £30m+ player even though he left for free only a couple years later).
Isn't Kaka a central attacking midfielder?
So we are interested in Gündogan and Schweinsteiger? Or is it one or the other? Not just Ladyman, but other journos reported our interest in Schweini too. They got briefed, but Kicker were the first saying we are in for him.
Interesting. Not that shocking for Ronaldo to Inter. You've adjusted for inflation but out of the context of the value of a transfer fee relative to the money in the game at the time, it means nothing. 32.8 million then was probably akin to 80 million now, such is the increase in the amount of money in football now.
I suppose that it's both.
He's already played a bunch of good games for us as a holding midfielder and his best season in Holland came after he was moved to that position from left back. He's had a good first season and I think he will be even better next year, especially if we partner him with another person who can contribute defensively.
Also I think Shaw is our best left back and will be an ever present if he stops getting injured.
Thanks. I watched his individual highlights from that match on youtube and he seemed to be playing in a more attacking position than I have seen him play before and he looked to have had a great game. I guess I was wrong that he wouldn't suit the role although I would still prefer to see him play deeper if we signed him.
Yep, Roy Keane's move to United was for a British transfer record at the time so the 7 million adjusted for inflation doesn't properly reflect the prestige of the transfer (so to speak).
Every transfer is different, you can't have a blanket reason for all of them. Cesc was pretty much only ever heading to Chelsea. Arsenal turned him down, we couldn't land him when we were in the CL, never mind out of it and other than PSG, who else is there? Modric again, was only ever linked with Real and ourselves and SAF admitted we were never in for Modric with Levy around. Very different scenarios to a bidding war.
They are as near as dammit.
When you are talking such somes of money, a couple of million here and there becomes irrelevent.
Its not like no other midfielder has been transfered for more than 25 million other than Zidane.
The fact is that there a quite a few players past and present have been pushing that £40 million pound bracket.
So on and so on? You still haven't named one. A winger and two for £34m. Zidane isn't a CM either way, not sure why he keeps propping up and not Pastore or Rodriguez or Mata and stuff....who have all probably played poorly in CM more than him.
Only RM were realistically in for Bale and Ronaldo and all their big signings, Chelsea with Torres....a good selling executive can still get market value for players who have given their clubs goals regardless of how big clubs chasing them.....they simply can't for midfielders it seems. Even Pogba will go for a boat load because he's probably going to end up being a Frank Lampard level goal threat on top of being better than Franky in most other departments. Probably without taking pens too.
Dont get heated up about it, no fecker cares about what we are talking about either way.
The point i have made is LOTS of midfielders (blanket term players playing from the middle of the pitch) have gone for ad near as dammit £40 million quid.
Now go and have a lie down so you have plenty of energy for when somebody does actually want to try and win the internet.
I think you're right in that he needs someone else in there more defensively minded. I do think his best games for us have been at left back though.
Valued midfielders don't move, the only confirmed midfielders who are transferred are rejects or at the end of their contract. It's a bit like center backs, when they are in their prime they don't move.
Correct your wrongness =/= Getting worked up. I'd say it's you old chap. You care enough to continue to be wrong and get yourself wound up.
Yeah, they don't score, so people aren't willing to chomp up on them when in their absolute prime. Executives are ancient, it's football moneyball. Unless you are odd PSG buying David Luiz. Madness.
Basically the goals and flamboyance is where the money is and it will always be that way. No one is paying record fee's for the best passer in the world, never have. Whether they want to move or not.
Scoring goals will always be more influential when deciding a fee than making or stopping them. Fees get smaller the further back you go on the pitch. De Gea is still the 2nd most expensive keeper ever and his fee isn't even out of the teens. I don't think it's anything to do with executives.
At the end of the day, it's all about supply and demand. A player like Pogba is rare. He can defend, pass, is tall, strong, athletic, technical, a leader and has one of the best long shots in the game. He's a threat from anywhere basically, and such a rare player is by definition in very short supply. Of course he'll go for a lot. There are usually alternatives when signing players, and with midfielders you can usually take your pick. If Madrid didn't sign Modric, they'd have gone for someone else. But prolific goalscorers are rare, and if you have true ambitions to be a top side, you need one. Look at us this year. Our top scorer has 12. Not good enough, and we'll surely look to rectify that with huge outlay. I'm not at all belittling other positions, if anyone knows the value of under appreciated midfielders like Carrick it's us, we have done for years. But goals win things. You pay a premium for players that make things happen. 17 of the top 20 most expensive signings ever are forwards.
Basically, if De Gea leaves and we replace him with Valdes, i won't be half as annoyed as when we replaced Ronaldo with Valencia.
That's true but an average midfielders worth more than an average striker, and we don't know how much worth a top midfielders because they never move.
Flawed demonstration but:
Mandzukic vs Marchisio: 26m - 27m
http://www.transfermarkt.fr/mario-mandzukic/profil/spieler/34572
http://www.transfermarkt.fr/claudio-marchisio/profil/spieler/44716
Welbeck vs Henderson: 18m - 23m
http://www.transfermarkt.fr/danny-welbeck/profil/spieler/67063
http://www.transfermarkt.fr/jordan-henderson/profil/spieler/61651
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When the record fees for goals and flamboyance seem to be £60m+ these days, then £35m+ midfielders make sense, in context.
In other words, in the past midfielders haven't moved for those huge fees as strikers/forwards were costing £35m+.
Now they cost £60m+ for the top ones, then the top midfielders' price will go up accordingly.
Yes, agree that the amount of money in football has, in general, skyrocketed. Mainly due to TV deals, but that phenomena has been highly concentrated in the BPL. Inter at that time were huge spenders, amongst the highest in world football, because they were bankrolled by Moratti's billions.
Just two years after that Ronaldo deal they forked out 50.4m for Vieri (adjusted), and were paying Alvaro Recoba 230k a week (adjusted). So I feel that Barca should've gotten a lot more for Ronnie.
Didn't he sign a new contract this year? Anyone know how much he going to cost?
If i could like this post i would.
Signed a 2 year deal so he only had one year left now IIRC.
The ending of Italian Lira must've had something to do with all that Seria A nonsensical spending for the first couple of years of the 2000's....it was madness with Lazio, Inter, Juve all spending absurd amounts. At least Juve's outlay didn't flop in Buffon, Nedved and Thuram. Lazio have clearly never recovered either.
Those years were well ahead of inflation, because alot of those transfers would go for less in todays market. Though the £30m for a talented English defender seems to have stuck (Shaw costing not all that much than Rio for slightly less potential but far younger etc).
Those years were well ahead of inflation, because alot of those transfers would go for less in todays market. Though the £30m for a talented English defender seems to have stuck (Shaw costing not all that much than Rio for slightly less potential but far younger etc).
This can be said about anything we all whinge about on here.
Says who?
Pogba isnt coming back...wish people would understand this.
Anyway I think Gundogan is one of the two "done deals" Andy Mitten has been going on about
It was reported quite a lot that we wanted Vermalaen and had agreed personal terms with him. If it wasnt for Barcelona he would probably be at United right now.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28685189
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...al-to-join-Manchester-United-this-summer.html
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/08/thomas-vermaelen-barcelona-arsenal-manchester-united
I responded to a hypothetical post and called the scenario ideal.
Silly me, however hard I try I just can't understand! Why can't Pogba come back? WHY GOD WHY?
Overly dramatic supporters?
Ok whats this got to do with Gundogan?
The discussion was about Gündogan being a potential crock. People hoped that he would be alright and that the chances are very good he could retun to his top form again, otherwsie we wouldnt be in for him. Then someone said we wanted Vermaelen, who was basically injured at Arsenal and now more or less also the whole season at Barca.
Did Gundogan play most of this season?
I think his point was that signing Gundogan on the basis that LVG and his scouts think he can get back to his best doesn't mean much considering their assessment of Vermaelen last summer
Well thats a stupid fecking point considering who LVG has bought and unearthed in the past
Don't see how its that stupid. Not sure what LVG's ability to unearth great young players has to do with this either.
Signing players with questions over their fitness is always a gamble...a gamble worth taking for Gundogan though imo, especially at the prices that were being quoted.
His fitness (in terms of his back) hasn't been a concern since his last operation though has it?
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