Then 22. He had the same number in Nürnberg.
İlkay Gündoğan
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Then 22. He had the same number in Nürnberg.
Of course not why would you catch a plane from Manchester to Manchester?
El mundo deportivo said he signed for Bayern
No one really knows, just guesswork.
So far he has signed for us, Arsenal, Bayern and Barcelona.
I worry he's not fit enough for such a busy schedule.
I dont think there's much work been put into the guessing tbh - the journo's are just throwing the usual clubs into the mix..
According to Duncan Castles
Manchester United have agreed terms on a move to bring Ilkay Gundogan to the club and have identified Keylor Navas as a potential replacement for David De Gea as the club accelerate plans for another aggressive close-season rebuild under Louis van Gaal.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892...greed-navas-next-manchester-united-accelerate
Castles has been right about our lineup many times this season...
Manchester United have agreed terms on a move to bring Ilkay Gundogan to the club and have identified Keylor Navas as a potential replacement for David De Gea as the club accelerate plans for another aggressive close-season rebuild under Louis van Gaal.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892...greed-navas-next-manchester-united-accelerate
Castles has been right about our lineup many times this season...
But wrong about our transfers many times in the past, as I recall.
I wouldn't mind Gündogan but it's not one to get your juices flowing. Worth a punt at a reasonable price but I don't see him elevating us immensely. And Navas would be pretty meh. Why not just keep Lindegaard as back-up then, with Valdes taking the goal?
I know people only noticed Navas during the World cup but like Bravo they are among the best la Liga goalkeepers for 3 or 4 years now, he is probably the most athletic goalkeeper out there and has probably the best reflexes.
Navas? Is he not RM's second choice keeper behind Casillas?
flinging mud at the wall and hoping something sticks
Yes but he's probably a better goalkeeper than Casillas, which is why he is frustrated at Real Madrid.
Didn't he have an absolute howler in the penultimate match?
Navas is a great shot-stopper, absolutely, but so is Valdes. The reservations people have about Valdes wouldn't be solved by getting Navas.
Also, if he was that great, he would have won the spot from a Casillas well past his peak.
That's not how it works with Iker, otherwise DDG would have been Spain's #1 for about 2 years now.
You are right, the reservations won't be solved on the short term but with his athleticism there is nothing who can prevent him from being dominant in his box. As for Casillas no one will take his place as long as he wants to keep it, just look at Diego Lopez he was vastly better than Casillas but they got rid of him at the first opportunity.
Can someone clarify exactly what sort of player Gundogan is? I'd always assumed he was a box-to-box midfielder with very good technique- but people are talking about him as a 6 or a replacement for Carrick. Anchoring the team? Major position/anticipation-based defending? Controlling the tempo of the game? Helping coordinate the defence? Were those his strengths all along?
You are right, he is a box to box.
More box to box
+ Strengths
Passing Very Strong
Key passes Strong
Dribbling Strong
Finishing Strong (edit: maybe not, according to JPRouve plus scoring stats)
Concentration Strong
- Weaknesses
Aerial Duels Weak
Tackling Weak
Ilkay Gündogan's Style of Play
- Likes to play long balls
- Likes to shoot from distance
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His finishing is not strong at all.
Make your mind up, is he strong or weak because you put them as both his strength and weakness.
Edit : Ah, It's not your list.
Those 'strong', 'very strong' and 'weak' refer to the traits above them.
Those 'strong', 'very strong' and 'weak' refer to the traits above them.
It's not that clear admittedly.
Oh, I get it now. I looked like a bit of a numpty for a few minutes.
His goal scoring record (for a box to boxer suggests you're right - compare with recent Ramsey, Yaya, etc)
They do but admittedly all of us who watch the Bundesliga regularly have no clue why and said so numerous times in this thread but the rumor that he somehow is a defensive midfielder won't die.
So, even if we get him (as our box-to-box) he'll be more competition to Herrera and we'll still need cover / replacement for Carrick as well.
Yes. If I would have to compare him at his best to someone out of our team it's Herrera. Imagine Herrera with better long passing skills but slightly worse at tackling and scoring goals.
Media mentioned him as Carrick replacement, we don't know if they know something about LvG's plans. But for me it could be because he isn't as dynamic as he used to be. We need to wait and see how he is doing in his second season, the "old" Gündogan was not a deep-lying playmaker at all and was a number 8/box-to box type. But if his lack of mobility isn't only a short-term issue then I can see him beeing used or transformed into a carrick-type of player.
Wonder who would be first choice out of those two?
They should both be first choice, playing next to each other.
Now I'm confused.
I think he means that Gundogan should replace Fellaini in the lineup. Both Ander and Fellaini play in front of one other CM
Sorry, I meant what Ekeke said, you can play with both, Gundogan is a better organizer than Herrera.
Well losing mobility doesn't automatically make you a good defensive midfielder though. Carrick isn't a very mobile player that's true but he makes up for it with his great positional awareness and closing out of passing lanes. Those are things you need to have a feeling for and Gündogan quite honestly doesn't have that. He also lacks Carrick's ability to give an attack structure and open the game up with the right pass. Gündogan is great at finding a runner into the box with a precise through ball but that's not necessarily what you want from your defensive midfielder but rather from the players a bit further up the pitch as those passes are always involved with some hefty amount of risk. In fact Gündogan this season was among those players who made a lot of bad passes from midfield that came back to hurt Dortmund which is something you can't have from a defensive mid, especially not in LvG's system.
Naturally he came back from a long term injury and had a lackluster season by his standards but even when he was at his best I never felt there was much in his game to suggest he would ever make a great number 6.
I would agree. They could form a good partnership. Gündogan's passing range is better than Herrera's but he makes up for it by being a better goal scorer. So give both the freedom to go forward somewhat but make Herrera the one who really makes the runs into the box.
The question though is if it's not too attacking for LvG's liking. He also has Fellaini in this midfield because he felt we had a lack of a physical presence there and Gündogan wouldn't bring that neither, so I reckon the only way we would see those two together is if we would add a more physical number 6 to the mix and leave all the creative work to Gündogan and Herrera in midfield.
His passing range (especially long) is just ubersex. Maybe even better right now than 2012/ 2013, because of a relative regression of mobility.
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