You say that, but this is a club that fought tooth and nail to sign Vermalaen.
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You say that, but this is a club that fought tooth and nail to sign Vermalaen.
I see Falcao as a last minute temp punt as opposed to a well thought out transfer.
True, I'm guessing LvG has a different opinion of players as fans do.
He would be a great signing. however if pogba moves this window to city/chelsea i would be underwhelmed.
Agree we this. Pogba would be the ideal, but failing that I'd also be happy with Gundogan plus one of Vidal/Schneiderlin/Carvalho etc
I don't disagree and I've seen you pointing it out before, that the manager and staff know more about football than the average cafe poster, but recent summers and some of our purchases don't make me trust our people in charge in that regard. We've wasted far too much money and time on players that aren't worth it.
Gündogan's talent is still there, but what puts me off is his attitude and laziness on the pitch. He looks completely unfit. Lewandowski was far more professional in his last performances for example, although he knew that he was going to Bayern. In contrast Gündogan didn't look bothered, although Dortmund stood by him during his difficult period. I understand that he's coming from a challeging time in his career, but I see a far greater risk in this than a reward, especially considering the alternatives.
Exactly.
I agree with the bit in bold. I'd rather we bring in Kondogbia and Schneiderlin than Gündogan.
I think he is still a top player. He has looked good for Dortmund in about 15 or so games I have watched, yes he hasn't reached the heights of 2 years back but he looks fine and getting in better shape. Falcao had made 3 appearances for Monaco after a serious knee injury which he is clearly still struggling with whereas Gundogan has made 30 appearances scored a few assisted a few and has generally been getting better and better along with Dortmund themselves. I think he will be fine back wise. Get it done Ed along with an enforcer like Carvahlo or Kondogbia and we will be sorted.
I don't trust any players that Dortmund send us, most of the players that are bought are always underwhelming, other than Lewandowski.
Lewandoski too has been underwhelming really.
Maybe, but he always seems to score for Bayern so he's doing his job. Can't say the same for the likes of Sahin, Kagawa (suck it fanboys), Gotze etc. I saw one of the resident Dortmund fans say they feel sorry for any team that spunks 30 mil on Gundogan because he's not the same as he was and has been awful. I mean, its a huge risk spending money on players that have come from a club where traditionally hardly any of their best players do well when they make a step up.
Thank the fcuking lord this did not happen.
Anyone else don't want him here? Or is it just me?
According to tomorrow's edition of the Kicker: Bayern Munich aren't convinced of Gündogan's performances this season and have no interest to sign him for Dortmund's asking price (25-30m €) in the summer.
Me too.
I was gonna quote the post and tag you.
I'm 50/50 on Gundogan, 2 years ago he was a dream signing, now there is a large element of risk.Goin by a few vids i've seen of his return to football this season; his passing ability (both feet) is still superb Mitch. He's only 24 year old aswell, so a good pre-season for him will bring up his fitness even further, i'm sure.
He's fully recovered from his back problems & contrary to what some folk on here have shited on about - he's not injury-prone. He had one major puzzling injury - which is now sorted.
There were stats floatin around here about his return to the team this season (from the new year onwards is when he returned, i think) & he had the 4th highest minutes on the pitch for Dortmund, with an average ratin of over 7/10.
He's well worth the punt & its not our money to waste either (old chestnut
, but true). We need 2 CM's anyway (Blind is too soft in there & is a better LB), so all our eggs wont be in one basket as regards to CM.
I'm sick of havin the same issues regarding CM - feckin rediculous its still a major issue for us when Carrick's out of the team.
I just hope we've seen the last of Rooney playin in CM because we've no-one better than him to play there.
I was gonna quote the post and tag you.
Dream signing 2 years ago alright man, but would he have come to United & would Dortmund have sold him? I think not, is my opinion man. Far too many top teams were drooling over him then & we've lost out on so many players in the past because of Real & Barca too.
This is a massive chance to sign him & one we shouldnt turn down. He just needs a good rest during the summer & then a full pre-season. He's only 24, so he's plenty of years left in him to shine like he did before his back problems became unbearable..
I still think this is a done deal. Will get announced at the end of the season.
Not sure i'd agree that this affects Gundogan in any way. They're all separate cases. Besides, out of the 4 renowned players they've sold (Sahin, Kagawa, Gotze, Lewandowski) It's only the first 2 with question marks over their ability to step up anyway imo.
I don't mind if he sign him. Still very young, not extortionately priced and clearly is a good player. Give him a decent pre-season and he will be back to his best. Pun intended.
According to kicker, Bayern Munich are not so sure about him and his fitness anymore and are probably looking elsewhere
They probably just realised they have no way of putting him through a medical.
The fact that he got so porky when he was out injured makes me twitchy. Quality player though.
Before Depay was signed, we needed 6 players.
a RB, 2 CB's, 2 CM's and a top class wide player
the wide position has been signed, that leaves us with 5.
And there are gaps in the squad that need filling, its got some good pieces but we need more.
No question we are short at RB, rafeal is not good enough for VG, valencia is a stop gap, and young is no RB, so we need a RB.
The CB position, Smalling jones and evans keep getting injured, and going to mcnair and blackett is not the way forward, so we need 2 CB's.
in CM we are short in that area, fletcher, cleverley, anderson are gone, carrick is ageing, fellaini and herrera are our only recognizable ones, blind is better at LB, so we need 2 top class ones. Any less than the 5 we need, will not be enough
a RB, 2 CB's, 2 CM's and a top class wide player
the wide position has been signed, that leaves us with 5.
And there are gaps in the squad that need filling, its got some good pieces but we need more.
No question we are short at RB, rafeal is not good enough for VG, valencia is a stop gap, and young is no RB, so we need a RB.
The CB position, Smalling jones and evans keep getting injured, and going to mcnair and blackett is not the way forward, so we need 2 CB's.
in CM we are short in that area, fletcher, cleverley, anderson are gone, carrick is ageing, fellaini and herrera are our only recognizable ones, blind is better at LB, so we need 2 top class ones. Any less than the 5 we need, will not be enough
I'd say we need 4 - a right-back, a centre-back, a centre-mid and a striker.
Smalling should be given a proper chance at CB after a promising season. Carrick and Herrera have looked good, we just need to make sure we can not becoming suddenly and immediately shite when Carrick is out. A striker because Falcao and Hernandez will leave and RVP might, and is seemingly in decline in any case. I think we are fine on the wings.
Smalling should be given a proper chance at CB after a promising season. Carrick and Herrera have looked good, we just need to make sure we can not becoming suddenly and immediately shite when Carrick is out. A striker because Falcao and Hernandez will leave and RVP might, and is seemingly in decline in any case. I think we are fine on the wings.
If united are going to play 433 next season, like VG once the needs for 2 CM's is much greater than a striker
Sign the cnut
Kicker is reliable when it comes to Bayern, right?
Yeah I guess I can agree with that, though might depend on players leaving. If Falcao, Hernandez and RVP all leave I think we are still short.
Di Maria ought to be a cert in a 4-3-3 assuming he can get his act together.
I am not convinced this guy is the player everyone thinks he is or, was, since his injury derailed his career. Granted I have not watched Dortmund much this year, but I don't hear as much about him here (Germany) as I would expect to if he was back in pre-injury form. His overall rating from "Kicker" is 3.55 (out of 5 where 1 is the best) which doesn't suggest he's been anywhere near what you would expect him to be to warrant such interest in him. He's leaving Dortmund, but I am not sure he's much better than what we have, specifically in Herrera, who I'd rather see given the chance next year to develop into our main CM.
Before his injury he was showing every sign of being top class.
Not so sure now but there's a case for allowing some time to get back to top form. Has been at least 'good' in recent games.
I agree re. Herrera, I think the bigger problem is playing without Carrick. There might be better candidates out there for that - I like Kondogbia a lot.
Not so sure now but there's a case for allowing some time to get back to top form. Has been at least 'good' in recent games.
I agree re. Herrera, I think the bigger problem is playing without Carrick. There might be better candidates out there for that - I like Kondogbia a lot.
In fairness he didn't get any more porky than rooney gets EVERY summer
Oh he did.
Who ate all Depays?
Who ate all Depays?
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that's just terrible.He wasn't able to train for a year, that's not a surprise.
Oh dear
A very good point you have made there. They all seem to be overhyped.
I wonder if he will wait to see where Klopp goes before deciding his future (as may Hummles and Rues?)
Of course hes not the same player, he missed 18 months, and has only been back playing for about 6 months. How does anyone expect him to be anywhere near his best yet?
Anyway the guy has a very good football brain, and his passing with both feet is still top notch. Whats missing is his fitness, match rythm etc etc
@ £22m I think its a good gamble, as long as we're also looking at another CM too
Anyway the guy has a very good football brain, and his passing with both feet is still top notch. Whats missing is his fitness, match rythm etc etc
@ £22m I think its a good gamble, as long as we're also looking at another CM too
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