He most certainly has man. Check out this seasons vid for his tackles alone - its very impressive to say the least. I'm starting to become a believer that we should sign him. He's exactly what we need in CM, plus Gundogan or a Gundogan-type player also:
İlkay Gündoğan
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He most certainly has man. Check out this seasons vid for his tackles alone - its very impressive to say the least. I'm starting to become a believer that we should sign him. He's exactly what we need in CM, plus Gundogan or a Gundogan-type player also:
He's still got a bit but here's an image from the weekend.
I'd say he looks fine there.
Owen was nothing more than a sub, a backup, the man himself admitted that and Fergie admitted that. We all knew we was not buying the player who a scoring for fun at Liverpool.
Hargreaves was not known for his knee injuries at Bayern, he was playing nearly 40 games a season for them. He broke his leg, came back to early for Bayern, that probably didn't help him later. Then he came to us, and by his own admission, was playing in pain and keeping it a secret. Steadman said that about his knees after we sent him to us. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...t-shocked-by-hargreaves-injuries-1799819.html
Falcao has only had one ACL injury? You look at his games played 40+ games a season till he tore his ACL at Monaco, hardly injury prone. It's easy to say Falcao is a mismatch in hindsight, but as i said injury or not, the guy scored 155 goals in 200 games in Europe before he came to us. I think it's easy to see why we took him on loan.
Everything I've read about his injury suggests that the mobility will come back once he regains his conditioning.
Of course he's going to seem a little off the pace at the moment... he's competing against players who've been able to maintain their fitness levels consistently since they were 8 years old. The nature of a back injury means he wasn't able to do any kind of gym work whatsoever and that's obviously taken its toll. It would be like a layperson suddenly deciding to get off the sofa to try to become a professional athlete.
The fact he's not had a recurrence of the injury makes me believe it's just a matter of time before he gets close to his best. It not like he's recovering from an issue with a joint or a muscle (like Hargreaves or Rio). His body appears to be in full working order, it just needs a few cobwebs to be blown away.
I'm pinning my colours to the 'buy the fecker' mast.
Of course he's going to seem a little off the pace at the moment... he's competing against players who've been able to maintain their fitness levels consistently since they were 8 years old. The nature of a back injury means he wasn't able to do any kind of gym work whatsoever and that's obviously taken its toll. It would be like a layperson suddenly deciding to get off the sofa to try to become a professional athlete.
The fact he's not had a recurrence of the injury makes me believe it's just a matter of time before he gets close to his best. It not like he's recovering from an issue with a joint or a muscle (like Hargreaves or Rio). His body appears to be in full working order, it just needs a few cobwebs to be blown away.
I'm pinning my colours to the 'buy the fecker' mast.
nice then.
it is always a risk but for 20 million pound it is a risk worth taking for imo.
For the money he is (rumoured) to cost in signing, I'd say take the punt.
Thanks! So far so goodGood post man & i hope all goes well with your recovery also
First: Great and informative post. Love reading (Not the part about you suffering the injury, though.) posts like this one. Especially the part about his weight gain.
Second: I doubt anyone is comparing the injuries, it's more a reply to the poster who wrote "Best to stay away from signing players who've had bad injuries, we might end up with another Hargreaves". I don't think van Nistelrooy was the exception to the rule, more like Hargreaves was one. Also on the topic of players coming back from serious knee injuries, let's not forget the magnificent Xavi who tore his ACL in 2005 and came back better than ever, and rightfully is considered among the best midfielders of all time. If you're being really negative then you could point to his role which doesn't require an all-action style, but still he had the fitness to run almost all matches during several seasons and championships.
İlkay Gündoğan was the biggest muppet dream a couple of years ago, and I'm slowly thinking he's worth the risk this summer. Especially after reading posts like yours.
Aye, this season for him was much more about just clocking as many minutes as possible. He was never going to reach his top level, not after taking a year off, and with his condition. It was all about assessing the injury. Now if he remains injury free and returns to 100% physical condition, he will be worth the risk at what, 20M pounds? That's a steal for his ability.It's not like he is a crock this season, even the current Gündogan is a decent player and would be at least a good option for our midfield. And when he gets back to his best he would be a fantastic bargain. For me it was a good first season for him and he did better than expected, I am much more confident now that he can return to his former level. Transfers are always a risk here and there, if we want to wait another year to prove his worth, his fee will increase and other teams will want him too. In the current scenario Dortmund wants to sell him and we will most likely need to sign him now. With Carricks injuries it would be the best if we sign him and Schneiderlin, wouldn't cost that much for us and the risk would be zero
He sure as hell is BP (no chance he would have come to us 2-3 years ago, when Real & Barca were in the mix) - so get yer arse on the bandwagon pronto. Yippee Ki Yay mofo
That first tackle says it all. He is a class act, if Arsenal get him with no challenge they'll have done great business. I hope LvG is an admirer. People seem to want Verrati too but like Schneiderlin does not seem to be linked with us.
I'm not too sure what the general consensus is on here, with how many CM's we should buy, but i feel we need 2 to compete. Now im thinkin 2 + Schneiderlin, or atleast him as part of the only 2 CM additions. He's exactly what we need for away games & tight midfield games against top opposition. He's a class act as you you say man.
Stock up in all areas & not have to worry about it for years to come, is my opinion..
Excellent post mate, I haven't been right for 3 years because of a long standing back issue and it really does affect everything you try to do.
Took 7 months off from playing and just returned last week, to go from that to play at professional level and be expected to reach your peak is impossible. It takes time to find your confidence in your body, patiently condition your body to peak health i.e. you do not want to over do it and find yourself back to square one.
Once you do, you can definitely rediscover that old form and level of fitness especially if age is on your side, but someone who has suffered such a injury is prone to suffering it again especially if they take their eye off the ball and don't monitor their health properly i.e. over play, do not warm up properly etc.
Andy Murray is another I think who suffered the problem and his performance went to shit before he finally took the time out to give himself to make a full recovery. I just hope if we do sign this guy, it is with the expectation and knowledge that we believe he can reach his old form. His current level doesn't justify signing him.
There have been a lot of posters in this thread concerned about his injury and chances of getting back to his best. I keep reading comparisons to the likes of Falcao, Hargreaves, Vidal, Nistelrooy, etc. as examples of the risks and rewards of signing players with injury records.
My point was that lower back injuries (especially ones that lead to nerve problems) are incomparable. Joint injuries are a totally different kettle of fish and give no indication to how a player may recover from a back injury. Terry is the best example I know of to compare to Gundogan, but really all nerve issues are slightly different. It's certainly a bit of a gamble, but I'm sure that'll be taken into account in his fee and wages.
Completely agree with it taking time to get back. It's taken me about 5 months to be able to run over 2 miles! Not because of the original injury or the operation, but because my posture was completely off as my body had readjusted to try and avoid the nerve pain. Another issue that makes back injuries incomparable to other injuries.
I've never been confident of us winning any transfer battle when pitted against top teams in Europe tbh man, but that's probably me just being cautious to some extent & not gettin my hopes up too much.
This transfer forum has done my head in & enthralled me at the same time since i first started lurkin on here in 2005 or before, so that's the reason why: "Its a done deal.." "He's on a plane right this moment.." "Breaking News: Ronaldinho has just signed for Barcelona.." etc etc..
Lest not forget his name - Peter Kenyon! The man who scuppered the Ronaldinho deal.. We got the young Ronnie instead though, but would have been great to have "The Two Ronnies"
The first time I can recall being bitten by the muppetry bug was when we sold Ronaldo as he was the first player I can remember us losing rather than selling because the club wanted rid. I mean I remember the Salas, Nedved, Batistuta, Kluivert and Ronaldinho summers but I didn't really follow them.
That summer in 2009 was filled with the promise of Ribery and Villa and ended with Valencia, Obertan and Owen, so you could say my muppet virginity was taken frat boy campus style.
I share your concern also man, i also have concerns that we will not only just buy 1 CM, but only 1 CB aswell - that to me, is pure madness if that happens.
We could have won the league this season if we'd bought quality 2 CB's & 2 quality CM's imo - Arsenal & City fans could say the same thing too. The games we lost were predominantly down to us being pussies in midfield & in defence & havin players out injured, with no like-for-like cover.
Its pretty plain to see, that we only tick when Carrick's playin too, which means we're a one-trick pony / one-man team. His presence in our team is immense, but i dont doubt the club know this & i hope to God they find quality back-up / someone to compete with him for a starting role. Its an absolute must!
The two CB's on my wishlist are Gundogan & Strootman. I've no doubts over Gundogan's fitness tbh (he just needs a summer rest & then a full pre-season), but Strootman is another kettle of fish. So much for knee injury's not being as critical as before, with the advent of improved science & surgery techniques etc.. Maybe players are rushing back too soon or the clubs are pushing them too hard in their recovery.
Strootman is the dynamic type we need in CM. Pure box to box all day long & loves his battles. Of course his transfer to us seems very unlikely, due to his breakdown & Cartilage damage surgery in Feb, but i'd be shocked if LvG wasnt monitoring his progress thus far, because he would have him at United already, if not for his injury.
We've seen that United arent willing to take any chances with crocked players ala Vidal, last summer, but that's the type of player we need - aswell as a Gundogan type.
We seem to be jinxed with world-class box-to-box targets - they end up with snapped knees. If i was a player in that category - i'd be prayin United weren't interested in signing me. I reckon Hargreaves has put some voodoo-like curse, on all dynamic CM's we're interested in - as he's blamed us for his knee injury problems (wanker)
It's true that we are like a beacon for injuries, our scouts just need to show and guys start dropping like flies, it really has been a pandemic this season and LvG wanted to add Vermaelen.
As for Hargreaves, that guy could win an Olympic medal for whining, it's amazing how bitter he is after all the time and money we wasted on him.I think we are on the same page regarding the two types of CM we need, in the Gundogan category I'd add Koke, Pogba and Verratti and in the Strootman/Vidal category I'd add Schneiderlin, Krychowiak, Kondogbia and Xhaka.
The first time I can recall being bitten by the muppetry bug was when we sold Ronaldo as he was the first player I can remember us losing rather than selling because the club wanted rid. I mean I remember the Salas, Nedved, Batistuta, Kluivert and Ronaldinho summers but I didn't really follow them.
That summer in 2009 was filled with the promise of Ribery and Villa and ended with Valencia, Obertan and Owen, so you could say my muppet virginity was taken frat boy campus style.
It's true that we are like a beacon for injuries, our scouts just need to show and guys start dropping like flies, it really has been a pandemic this season and LvG wanted to add Vermaelen.
I think we are on the same page regarding the two types of CM we need, in the Gundogan category I'd add Koke, Pogba and Verratti and in the Strootman/Vidal category I'd add Schneiderlin, Krychowiak, Kondogbia and Xhaka.
Always informative & extremely entertaining to boot
I remember all those transfer sagas & its too painful to elaborate. My shrink keeps telling me to shut the feck up & change the record. Easier said than done though.
I can go way back to the years of BBC Teletext & ITV Ceefax gossip pages, to where all my muppetry began. Feck - i even rang one those United transfer phone numbers up from Ceefax for Christ sake. Got torn a new one from Mum, when the bill came in, so i didnt do that again. Feckin useless anyway. Might aswell rang a sexline & had a ham-shank ffs..
I used to buy all the papers when we were linked heavily with a player. The amount of money i used to spend was mental, when accumulated. Thank God for the internet!
Yeah, we're most definitely on the same page with our CM's man. We need metal in midfield & a controller too, who's got a bitta metal also. Keano & Scholesy looked pretty sharp tonight on ITV.. Hmmmmm
I remember doing that once, the pre-internet era seems forever ago. Didn't get my ham shanked though, since it wasn't even remotely as exciting as I had imagined. The only positve was my mom thinking it was my dad who'd been calling, that was funny.
As for Gündoğan, damn you Der Westen. I really thought it was a done deal already
I remember doing that once, the pre-internet era seems forever ago. Didn't get my ham shanked though, since it wasn't even remotely as exciting as I had imagined. The only positve was my mom thinking it was my dad who'd been calling, that was funny.
As for Gündoğan, damn you Der Westen. I really thought it was a done deal already
Arsenal Transfer News: Ilkay Gundogan Talks Revealed, Iker Casillas Bid Reported
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...gan-talks-revealed-iker-casillas-bid-reported
How would they line-up with Gundogan?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...gan-talks-revealed-iker-casillas-bid-reported
How would they line-up with Gundogan?
They wouldn't.
Arsenal contact Borussia Dortmund over Ilkay Gundogan deal as they look to hijack potential move to Manchester United or City
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-hijack-potential-Manchester-United-City.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-hijack-potential-Manchester-United-City.html
Looks more like clickbait to me.
Yeah which is why I was asking how in the world would they line-up... should have made my sarcasm more clear !!
!!I thought you were just baffled
And indeed, he was regularly covering more distance than any other Barca player during those golden years. Good example of a total, unconditional recovery from an ACL.
Following the pattern this one.
We are linked heavily by some sources. Then it suddenly dies down. Then player is linked to other clubs.
Then we announce the signing.
We are linked heavily by some sources. Then it suddenly dies down. Then player is linked to other clubs.
Then we announce the signing.
How about all of the above
.I mean serious though it would be like arsenal to buy another attacking player they can not reasonably fit into their starting rotation. I was trying to see if anyone here could find any sense in that rumor.
Mundo Deportivo saying he is Barca bound.
Good news
He was apparently in Barcelona this week.
Wouldn't read too much into the Gundogan to Barça links. I'd be pretty surprised if it happened.
How are Barca signing all these players with a transfer ban, I feel like im living in a parallel universe where they're continually linked with everyone and talking of brining in Pogba etc, re:Gundogan, it wouldnt even make sense because he'd only have 1 year left on his contract, so any deal where they buy him this summer and wait for their ban to end woudnt make sense as he'd be a free agent anyway?
Obviously I'm missing something.
Obviously I'm missing something.
How's his English?
They're allowed to sign players but can only register them in January. Could favour Dortmund that, sell him to Barca and then loan him back until January. He would be then free to play in the champions league for Barcelona.
I think we've gone cold on this one
Maybe we are just waiting till the end of the season. Didnt LVG say that was his preference?
A lot of ifs but if we sign him and he gets back to his best, a good CDM and with Herrera just being quality, we'd have one of the best midfields in the world.
when does their transfer ban expire? I thought it wa in place until next Jan.
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