İlkay Gündoğan

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Guardiola's is to midfielders what Redknapp is to strikers.
 
Bayern makes sense for him. Schweinsteiger and Alonso don't have much left in the tank so they are left with Rode, Thiago and Martinez. Guardiola uses his midfielders a lot and Gundogan's game is different than those 3 plus Martinez will be employed at CB a lot I imagine so there will be time for him

Either way I wouldn't worry. Even if we don't get him there are other players plus it's far from certain that he will get back to his very best.
 
He really isn't.
No one is really available.

Verrati - No. PSG arent a selling club.
Schneiderlin - Just a maybe. With his new injury, we would always use the excuse we want to see him back in action before making a move. Arsenal are strongly linked but we are not.
Pogba - Everyone is after him. Not sure we can win the battle.
Xhaka - No. Dont seem like we are even remotely interested and talks of him joining Bayern at the end of the season are picking up.
Koke - We have a better chance of signing Ronaldo.
Strootman - If he didnt have this injury then yes. Now not so sure.
Vidal - I think that ship has sailed.
Nainggolan - I would rather have Gundogan. Especially for the price being touted.
Carvalho - Dont think LVG rates him.
 
Normally I would want United to succeed getting a player but in Gundogan's case, i'm not really entirely enthusiastic about it. He isn't in my muppet mode say Vidal or Sneijder. Good if we can get him, otherwise there are similar or better options out there if we don't
 
Normally I would want United to succeed getting a player but in Gundogan's case, i'm not really entirely enthusiastic about it. He isn't in my muppet mode say Vidal or Sneijder. Good if we can get him, otherwise there are similar or better options out there if we don't
Are you skeptical about him only because of his injury?
 
No one is really available.

Verrati - No. PSG arent a selling club.
Schneiderlin - Just a maybe. With his new injury, we would always use the excuse we want to see him back in action before making a move. Arsenal are strongly linked but we are not.
Pogba - Everyone is after him. Not sure we can win the battle.
Xhaka - No. Dont seem like we are even remotely interested and talks of him joining Bayern at the end of the season are picking up.
Koke - We have a better chance of signing Ronaldo.
Strootman - If he didnt have this injury then yes. Now not so sure.
Vidal - I think that ship has sailed.
Nainggolan - I would rather have Gundogan. Especially for the price being touted.
Carvalho - Dont think LVG rates him.

I don't agree with the available part. Whether players want to come is a different matter. If you'd offer Gladbach or Southampton enough money for Xhaka or Schneiderlin, you'll get them. We quite simply have enough money to offer. Woodward said so last summer and he kept his word.

As for players who have been better than him this season, Dortmund will most likely bring in Geis from Mainz, who has been better. Gonalons, Sanson, Kondogbia and Imbula in Ligue 1 have had better seasons. Parejo and Krychowiak in Spain, although the latter is a pure destroyer. Hell, even Pjanic, who hasn't been near his best, has been better than him. Look at the reactions of the Dortmund fans, most couldn't care less if he leaves. They would actually love to get the sort of fee that we've been rumoured to have made. The talent is still there at times, but he doesn't look the same player currently. We don't need to take that sort of gamble, if we can do better.

I also wouldn't rule out Pogba, Koke or Verratti just yet. Nobody would have thought that we could be able to sign di Maria and Falcao without Champions League football last season, even if certain circumstances were working in our favour and yet we did.
 
Gündogan won't join Bayern, it just doesn't make any sense. Dortmund would much rather sell him abroad, Bayern don't need a number 8 and the relationship between the two clubs is bad enough as it is, and both sides are aiming to calm the tensions a bit.
England is most likely as I can't see Barcelona or Real being interested.
They had coffee together ffs. How bad can it be? It's clearly a done deal.
 
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We need to position ourselves better IMO. Either we lose players to City as they were won over "by the project" or we lose players to bayern as they want to play their part in a continuation process..i.e. they won the season last season without me, will win it next season without me, but I'm going anyway to assist with that process. When we get top talent ala dI Maria and Falcao you have Balague saying they dont actually want to be here. Can I have examples of where a player chose us and said "I was only ever interested in United because growing up they dominated English Football for 20 years in fine style....long live Sir Bobby"?
When have we ever lost a player to city because of the project? Tevez is a cnut so im not counting him.

A choice between City and United is not hard and I dont think players would find it that hard either.
 
When have we ever lost a player to city because of the project? Tevez is a cnut so im not counting him.

A choice between City and United is not hard and I dont think players would find it that hard either.
I think Silva and Nasri chose them when we were genuinely interested.
 
It's only just turned May and already Depay and Gundogan have flickered between 'done deal' and 'off'.

It's going to be a long summer.
 
It's only just turned May and already Depay and Gundogan have flickered between 'done deal' and 'off'.

It's going to be a long summer.
:nono:

Didn't you hear? van Gaal wants most signings before preseason tour! At least that's what Andy Mitten was saying. ;)
 
It's only just turned May and already Depay and Gundogan have flickered between 'done deal' and 'off'.

It's going to be a long summer.

We're all in our own little world of muppetry on the Caf. Any normal fan wouldn't bother tuning into anything until the window actually opens.
 
No one is really available.

Verrati - No. PSG arent a selling club.
Schneiderlin - Just a maybe. With his new injury, we would always use the excuse we want to see him back in action before making a move. Arsenal are strongly linked but we are not.
Pogba - Everyone is after him. Not sure we can win the battle.
Xhaka - No. Dont seem like we are even remotely interested and talks of him joining Bayern at the end of the season are picking up.
Koke - We have a better chance of signing Ronaldo.
Strootman - If he didnt have this injury then yes. Now not so sure.
Vidal - I think that ship has sailed.
Nainggolan - I would rather have Gundogan. Especially for the price being touted.
Carvalho - Dont think LVG rates him.
This reminds me of when a certain poster said that we had a better chance of signing Messi than of signing Gundogan.
 
Mate of mine, who has a season ticket at Dortmund & who called the Sahin transfer to Real, the Götze deal to Bayern as well as us signing Kagawa reckons he'll end up at Bayern too - they want to replace Alonso & Schweinsteiger.
 
No one is really available.

Verrati - No. PSG arent a selling club.
Schneiderlin - Just a maybe. With his new injury, we would always use the excuse we want to see him back in action before making a move. Arsenal are strongly linked but we are not.
Pogba - Everyone is after him. Not sure we can win the battle.
Xhaka - No. Dont seem like we are even remotely interested and talks of him joining Bayern at the end of the season are picking up.
Koke - We have a better chance of signing Ronaldo.
Strootman - If he didnt have this injury then yes. Now not so sure.
Vidal - I think that ship has sailed.
Nainggolan - I would rather have Gundogan. Especially for the price being touted.
Carvalho - Dont think LVG rates him.

And how would you have rated our chances of signing di Maria exactly 1 year ago ?
 
Mate of mine, who has a season ticket at Dortmund & who called the Sahin transfer to Real, the Götze deal to Bayern as well as us signing Kagawa reckons he'll end up at Bayern too - they want to replace Alonso & Schweinsteiger.

Fits in with the Xhaka rumours, good for them if that's the case :)
 
GÜNDOGAN - Rummenigge & Watze having a coffee. According to Bild, they are negotiating for @Guendogan8 https://futbolupdate.wordpress.com/bayern/

Hans-Joachim #Watzke & Karl-Heinz #Rummenigge [@BundeSabeh] pic.twitter.com/sOl7eOhARw

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This was taken before the cup tie between their sides. Originally Bild didn't mention Gündogan. It was supposed to be about flowers for Klopp and to clear a bit of beef between them.
 
Risky transfer. Gündogan is not the player he was before his complicated injury.
 
Growing up in Germany in the late 70s/early 80s, Bayern were my team as well and Rummenigge was my idol (we in fact share the same birthday).
Remember the song? Karl-Heinz Rummenigge...Rummenigge...Rummenigge...he's got sexy legs...:lol:
 
Risky transfer. Gündogan is not the player he was before his complicated injury.

At the price being mentioned, its not that risky. Plus its his first season back, wouldnt have expected him to set the world alight. Hes actually been decent (but not brilliant)
The level hes has been at this season, he would make a good squad addition, if he can get his engine/fitness back, he'll be a top player again.
 
Mate of mine, who has a season ticket at Dortmund & who called the Sahin transfer to Real, the Götze deal to Bayern as well as us signing Kagawa reckons he'll end up at Bayern too - they want to replace Alonso & Schweinsteiger.
Well, Dortmund is Bayern's feeder club after all - where else would he go?
 
Our record with the German signings is amazingly poor as well, can only think of Rom Robert Zieler the old res keeper
There was some Neumayr lad in midfield for our reserves who went on to play for lower division German clubs and in Swiss league.
 
Where would everyone play him if he was to come?

As an 8 (box to box) or a 6 (holding midfielder)?

I'd personally like to see him as an 8.
 
I´m normally not the one to call out single players, but Gündogan needs to be gone at HT. Shocking performance by the worst player of a weak team: Lazy as feck, sloppy passing and with a constant evasion of important duels. Some muppets on here should take a good look at this player if they think that Gündogan can play the holding role in an EPL midfield. Unless he makes an 180 in terms of performance level when he transfers he will be eaten alive in England.

Just saying.
 
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