İlkay Gündoğan
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Is it too much to hope for that Gündoğan would replace Fellaini? Many on here are picturing him as some kind of deep lying play-maker that just sits there and passes the ball, sort of like Carrick does. Gündoğan is a very different player, he's dynamic, moves around the pitch and covers a lot of ground. He used to do it more often back in the day but many counter attacks used to start with Gündoğan surging through midfield with the ball and picking out a winger or a striker in a very promising position.
Would be quite an achievement to sign our first German.
Also nonsense. You cannot sign somebody without registering them since that's the actual definition of a transfer.That would be Ronaldinho all over again
I don't think he will end with arsenal. I have no special info but I can't see wenger turning down cesc and then going for another similar player within a year.
Like I've said earlier that is a very clear possibility. Gundogan and Herrera with Carrick playing behind. But the thing with Gundogan is he isnt going to be playing every game. So depending on the opponent or depending on fitness/rotation it looks like Fellaini, Herrera, Gundogan, Carrick and Blind will play for three spots. We might have to throw in and move Blind to left back depending on our striker situation next season.
Cesc cant play in a midfield 2 anymore. Or at least he isnt as effective as he was. Gundogan is different. He can play the Arteta/Flamini position which Cesc clearly cant.
There were reasons with Cesc apparently Wenger keeps eluding to behind the scenes. You're well stocked with midfielders like him. So with that in mind I fully expect wenger to try for him too.
We don't play a midfield two though.
And out of curiosity with the Barca link, lets say hypothetical he was to run of his contract this summer and Barca sign him. He cant play for them or anyone else till Jan right? But can he train with them till then?
I meant like Ozil as your #10 and then the 2 central midfielders behind him. Cesc cant play in that 2.
I think Arsenal would rather sign someone who can keep things together in midfield rather than another attacking minded midfielder as well.
I think Arsenal would rather sign someone who can keep things together in midfield rather than another attacking minded midfielder as well.
I wouldn't put it past him. He hasn't in a couple of years but he used to do it very well and I doubt he's totally lost that ability.
If Wilshere can play as a DM for England Cesc can play in a 2 behind a 10.....
It would more likely a be a case that they'd agree a deal with Dortmund and Gundogan would play there until January when he'd be transferred to Barca.
Yeah, he can train with them.
Im also not putting it past him but I think he prefers the freedom he gets playing a little higher rather than take on the added defensive responsibility playing deeper. He is going to be a liability playing there the first few times.
Playing there is different from doing a good job. He isnt suited well enough to play that position. Rooney can play defensive mid but is he any good there?
There were reasons with Cesc apparently Wenger keeps eluding to behind the scenes. You're well stocked with midfielders like him. So with that in mind I fully expect wenger to try for him too.
Yeah that was a bizarre comment. I doubt we will ever know the full story.
I don't remember him play without Sahin, Bender or Kehl.
Edit: I thought it was about Gundogan.
He was referring to Cesc there.
I'm talking about cesc
Oh I think we will when Wenger finishes and writes his book. I believe him as well that there was a good reason.
Same could have been said for most of Ozil's United career. Anyway, nobody really thinks Fellaini at 10 is a long term strategy for Van Gaal, do they?
I can feel the storm clouds of stupidity beginning to form in this thread.
Yeah, sorry. I should have read more carefully.
Well, I would not go that far. First off, the reach of the "WAZ" outside North Rhine Westphalia and especially the Ruhr area is fairly limited and while it is not a pure tabloid like the "BILD", the "WAZ" has been wrong a fair amount about Dortmund related topics (overall their ties/sources are stronger with Schalke than Dortmund).
What gives this story some serious weight is how adamantly they are sticking to their story for quite some time now. Papers usually give themselves some wiggle room to correct afterwards. The "WAZ" is certain about their source so something has to be there.
What every trustworthy paper in relation to Dortmund has in common, is that they all see him leaving in the Summer, most likely towards the EPL. The Dortmund officials have taken a clear stance (and them publishing that transfer talks ended is like a huge selling sign) that a similar case like with Lewandowski won´t be happening again. I also don´t see Gündogan sticking around one more year as the second or third option for his position. The guy needs game time to hope to recover his former form. Anything else makes a possible recovery way less likely.
Mata and Herrera are our number 10s next season for me.....Once we have the creativity and presence sorted behind them...
You havent seen how much he has played this season have you?
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I meant Arsenal.
Sphaero is a Dortmund supporter, he saw him enough, I think.
I said this earlier but watching him against Bayern he's not an auto started for us IMO. You cant carry someone in that position to form in the EPL and guarantee top 4 at the same time. He was ambling around the centre circle doing enough and not much else a shadow of his former self. I think people would be calling for some pace and power after 3-4 similar performances for us.
He has played 28 times since he came back in October. 25 of those have been starts. Thats pretty impressive for a player who has been out of the game for 14 months.
Yes but look at the part of the table they have occupied during all that time......Its completely different to what will be expected each and every game for us!
No, I don´t catch that many games of the club I support
With transfer talks been broken down the situation has changed. Nuri Sahin (our actually most important midfielder) being injured 80% of the time is also not that likely to be repeated.
Gündogan´s successor will arrive this Summer and Gündogan will be pushed back in the picking order if he stays. Tuchel won´t plan that much with a player who is certain to be out the door after one season.
I´m asbolutely certain that he will be sold this Summer, most likely to either United or Arsenal. It is simply the best deal for all involved parties.
Surprised City haven't been linked with him. They need a all round 8 with Yaya being almost on his last legs.
What makes you so certain you can bring his successor in so quickly?No, I don´t catch that many games of the club I support
With transfer talks been broken down the situation has changed. Nuri Sahin (our actually most important midfielder) being injured 80% of the time is also not that likely to be repeated.
Gündogan´s successor will arrive this Summer and Gündogan will be pushed back in the picking order if he stays. Tuchel won´t plan that much with a player who is certain to be out the door after one season.
I´m asbolutely certain that he will be sold this Summer, most likely to either United or Arsenal. It is simply the best deal for all involved parties.
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