Would MUCH rather throw everything at Pogba.
İlkay Gündoğan
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It's Bild (hit and miss, really) and (more importantly) DFB Cup Bayern vs Dortmund today.
Makes no sense. Klopp has had his best players leave every season, why would Hummels leaving have any effect whatsoever? Fact is he's been in demand for years but out of loyalty to Dortmund he's stayed. For once he hasnt had a great season so now next season's manager might do better than he has done this season. Thats the ideal situation for Dortmund to find a replacement because the next guy can only be more of a success than Klopp was this season
Maybe its because more than likely Reus, Gundogan and Hummels are all leaving. There is no way their best player Reus will stay if the other 2 leave. His contract extention will just serve to get Dortmund a decent price. He's the one going to be coveted by the worlds best clubs. Hopefully Reus ends up at Real adding to the probability they will lose a big name this summer.
Pretty sure we will along with everyone else. As Balague said we did with Falcao and Di Maria, Woodward needs to just say yes yes yes to any demands thrown at him.
Yeah I think we will too. Van Gaal rates him. He fits the profile of Gaalactico for Woody and like you said we are hardly shy with our bids these days. Rumoured to have offered Spurs £100m for Bale too weren't we?
Its pretty simple for me. If we want to win the league next season or even in the next few years we have to seriously win the transfer battle this summer against our PL rivals. For me that simply means Bale, Pogba and co have to end up at OT and not elsewhere if they choose England. We cannot buy everyone obviously but these are players we need, the best available in their various positions, and gambling on Depay and Gundogan is just not the direct route to success at this stage. Once we win our first titlle after SAF, we can start playing roulette again.
As we've seen with Di Maria, spending to get the most high profile players may not be the best way for Val Gaal to have success. It'll only work if the players fit into his system and ethos. Otherwise they might even sit on the bench for ages like Ander and Smalling when they should clearly be on the pitch
It might be realistic that one of Reus/Gündogan/Hummels will end up at Bayern after the summer.
My bet would be on Reus as successor for the ageing Ribery and Robben. However the other 2 would also make sense as their CBs are one of their few weaker spots and Gündogan has been labelled as potential successor for Schweinsteiger in the German national Team by the press.
It is hard to say how Dortmund will act this summer. Will they try everything to Keep their most prolific Players after Klopp leaving or are they looking for a fresh start? In that case they might try to cash in on their biggest assets.
And how do the Players really feel about Klopp? Did Reus have any idea when he signed the new contract?
My bet would be on Reus as successor for the ageing Ribery and Robben. However the other 2 would also make sense as their CBs are one of their few weaker spots and Gündogan has been labelled as potential successor for Schweinsteiger in the German national Team by the press.
It is hard to say how Dortmund will act this summer. Will they try everything to Keep their most prolific Players after Klopp leaving or are they looking for a fresh start? In that case they might try to cash in on their biggest assets.
And how do the Players really feel about Klopp? Did Reus have any idea when he signed the new contract?
Di Maria was a shining light last year in a 4-3-3. He was one of Reals best players and MOTM in the CL final. If it doesnt work Its for non footballing reasons for me which have impacted his form. I think taking chances on players like him will work out more often than taking chances on players feeling their way back from injury etc in Europe. Thats just common sense. Our primary targets will be Pogba and Bale I'm sure and if unsuccessful its players like Gundogan and Depay.....Thats how I'd expect the club to be targeting players.
Pogba and Bale may fit into what LVG wants, we'd have to wait and see. I'm just saying that the galactico model hasnt been very successful and we're clearly better off getting the players that our manager wants, will pick and will fit into his strategy. If Bale and Pogba do, brilliant. If they dont and its just to sign top players then we're going to have a problem.
Maybe it`s just me but I rate Gündogan higher than Pogba.
Its just you. Different skill sets but Pogba replaces Roy Keane for me as a dynamic box to box player and thats something we have missed for a long time. Gundogan pre injury you could have an argument but this is post injury and hence you dont
@Ekeke Has a very good point and your response proves that, Di Maria shone in a 4-4-2 Hybrid, not a standard 4-3-3. We bought a player for his performances in a system that we don't and can't use.
We shouldn't reiterate that mistake.
The level Gundogan reached 2 years ago, is higher than the level Pogba has yet reached imo. Pogba is probably more fun to watch, with his great tricks and goals, but how Gundogan controls the midfield, orchistrates the game, creates, short passes, long passes, interceptions, tackling, Gundogan is still a class above.
its a little strange to judge him on 'post injury' only, especially as we still haven't seen a great deal of him as of yet. Gundogan has shown he has the talent to arguably be the best in the world, Pogba hasn't yet and there is no indication that its a guarantee either. Devils advocate and all!Its just you. Different skill sets but Pogba replaces Roy Keane for me as a dynamic box to box player and thats something we have missed for a long time. Gundogan pre injury you could have an argument but this is post injury and hence you dont
We could use them both you could argue. For LVG to admit he underestimated the physicality of the PL...and then to buy Gundogan as his CM would make no sense to me. I think he will lean towards pace and power this summer. Depay/Bale on the wings for example and someone like Pogba in the centre of the pitch (was to be Strootman). Gundogan perhaps could learn to be Carrick at 6 perhaps but Carrick might stay fit next year and Herrera is destined for the 10 role with Mata IMO.
There's no way that Dortmund will sell Reus to us now that he has a longterm contract and no release clause. I doubt he'll leave at all this summer, but if he does, I'm 100% certain that his destination won't be Bayern. I also doubt we're stupid enough to pay big money for him now, if he could have left on the cheap a few months ago. He made his bed by signing a new contract.
We also aren't weak at centerback at all. Boateng has been fantastic for years now, Badstuber looked excellent this season, actually a lot better than Hummels. Benatia hasn't been fit once this season, but obviously is a top class centerback and we've played with Martinez and Alaba at centerback as well, both did really well. I don't think Hummels wants to return to us anyway, but I also think we're not the slightest bit interested in signing Hummels. Even if Dante leaves, I doubt we'll add a new centerback to the team.
Gündogan however is certainly possible. Schweinsteiger's and Alonso's contracts run out next year and it would make a lot of sense to add at least one more central midfielder to the team. His contract situation also helps a lot. If we convince Gündogan to join us, Dortmund again face the dilemma of selling to us this summer or letting him leave on a free next summer.
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I totally forgot that we signed Joshua Kimmich already. Unless Pep really turns him into a rightback, we don't need Gündogan. Alonso, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Thiago, Martinez, Alaba, Rode, Kimmich really should be more than enough central midfielders going forward. It has a nice balance between young talents and experienced players as well.
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Go for Pogba then.......
I don't want Pogba anywhere near our club unless he fires his agent. We already have enough idiots in and around the club who talk shit all the time. There's no need to add Raiola to it, no thanks.
^This...
A few years ago Lahm got fined for saying Bayern were buying names that did not fit any system much less theirs. He was bang on. Now look at how Bayern do business...
So for us, I do NOT need the biggest names. I do want quality players. For example if LvG wants Depay over Bale... that is fine with me. Get me quality at CB, CM, RB, and on the wings and I am a happy camper
.Gündogan would suit us much better than Pogba, on and off the field. His agent makes me nervous too, he will feck off in a few years to Real or PSG. I know he is exciting, but van Gaal would misuse him.
Like Balu said its likely Bayern will get involved. We might as well look at Pogba who is at a price they won't be interested in......
Did you bank on sky sports when they informed the world that Benatia was on a provate jet to Manchester to sign for us?
Or when they told us that Ed Woodward had left the pre season tour in 2013 for urgent incomming transfer business
At least put up a fight. Something like the Thiago transfer saga, that was beautiful to follow.
Pogba perfectly suits the 'Fellaini' role and he had mobility, agility, speed and technique.
He did leave us for urgent transfer business. They never said it was for a certain player? In fairness Sky usually dont get involved until something is at least almost done.
He is German. He'll prefer you. If he was English, he'd prefer us!
The sad thing is, if Real comes calling we're usually both fecked, no matter what nationality
.The sad thing is, if Real comes calling we're usually both fecked, no matter what nationality
I think Gundogan might be a little easier for us than Thiago in that he still have 1 year left and dortmund could well prefer to sell to us. He'd also be a guaranteed starter I'd say for us. That said he'll prob sign for you and then his camp will say Man United never got in contact ala Thiago.
Maybe, but he would still have to twist his game a bit. If he played there, we would be a bit lightweight in midfield again. I still think we need another #6, even with a Pogba transfer.
Why if Carrick is at 6 and Pogba at 8 and Herrera at 10 its no more lightweight than we've been for a decade.
Carrick wont play forever and every game. We need to look for alternatives. Ideally Schneiderlin
I agree but Barca played with Xavi I believe as a 6 under LVG so perhaps thats where these Gundogan rumours stem from. Schneiderlin nor Pogba
control tempo so I cant see them 2 paired together in any LVG system.
Lightweight ? Pogba is physically as strong as Fellaini, unless maybe you are talking about defensive nous.
If he played the Fellaini role, he wouldnt be really in midfield, more in between the 8 and 10. If we get countered, Pogba wouldnt be always there to stop it and impose himself. Thats why i want a real CM/DM. Pogba would be a bit wasted offensively as a CM in our system, unless he has the right to play risky, which he wont have. With Carrick getting older, Blind is not the solution there. So if he played more advanced and can take risks, we would need a better defensive player next to him or behind him.
I would love to sign Gündogan just for the drama here alone, please don't hate me, but the Guardiola and the Thiago saga have been pretty epic 
I would love to sign Gündogan just for the drama here alone, please don't hate me, but the Guardiola and the Thiago saga have been pretty epic
In fairness we dodged a bullet with Thiago he's only now fit right?
fecking bayern at least let us sign the injured players
at least let us sign the injured playersHad been fit until march 2014, then injured until recently. I don't know if you have seen him since then, he's driving our club alone at the moment. Fantastic. Wouldn't call this dodging a bullet exactly. Still just 24, too.
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