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İlkay Gündoğan
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With no international tournament to keep the media busy, think this summer will be very cringed for the press. 3 months of nothing but bollocks
With his contract expiring next year and United being the front runners i cant see him signing for any other team or staying in Dortmund.
We were knocked out because that year Fergie underestimated the Champions League group and rotated the players alot - gave young players chances. That eventually backfired. See the teams for all the matches in the group stage.
BBC and di Marzio.But this is Sky Sports who reported it, not the daily mirror! If we can't trust Sky Sports who do we trust?
Sky are fairly reliable though.
Only with Italian stuff...
Anyways, Sky for this probably just used the reliable dortmund sources. I'd bet that we're still going to sign him.
But this is Sky Sports who reported it, not the daily mirror! If we can't trust Sky Sports who do we trust?
No one, trust no one.
This is still on, Watzke and Zorc can talk all day long. I have never seen Watzke happy in front of the camera. Always talking like his players havent got a right to move on or like they could decide their futures and keep them forever. I dont like his stance, it happens to almost every club. They always deny every shit. Everybody knew Tuchel would be the new guy, tried to talk around it and to think about other possible targets, while their was just Tuchel.
I understand that they are just pissed that they lose their best players every year and have to go to talk to the media with questions surrounding the future of their key players. A few weeks ago, Klopp decided to leave, now Gündogan and Hummels are ready to leave too. They are just in a total uncertain and uncomfortable environment at the moment. While they have a new coach, the team will look differently next season with a lot of players coming in and going out. I dont believe for a second that we didnt have contact with them since November, at least with the agents as communication partners between us. We are interested in Hummels and Gündogan, they know it and we are on the brink of getting them, if they like it or not. We gave them Kagawa for peanuts, we pay good money for their players, sell them or let them go for free to Bayern you muppets. They are lucky that Reus signed a new contract, otherwise his future would be doubtful too.
He can talk as much as he wants, if we offer them a decent amount of money, which we did, they will sell. If Hummels wants to leave, they will sell for a decent fee. Their hands are tied. No wonder Rummenigge or Bayern didnt contact them when they bought Götze, with an attitude like that nobody wants to deal with them.
I understand that they are just pissed that they lose their best players every year and have to go to talk to the media with questions surrounding the future of their key players. A few weeks ago, Klopp decided to leave, now Gündogan and Hummels are ready to leave too. They are just in a total uncertain and uncomfortable environment at the moment. While they have a new coach, the team will look differently next season with a lot of players coming in and going out. I dont believe for a second that we didnt have contact with them since November, at least with the agents as communication partners between us. We are interested in Hummels and Gündogan, they know it and we are on the brink of getting them, if they like it or not. We gave them Kagawa for peanuts, we pay good money for their players, sell them or let them go for free to Bayern you muppets. They are lucky that Reus signed a new contract, otherwise his future would be doubtful too.
He can talk as much as he wants, if we offer them a decent amount of money, which we did, they will sell. If Hummels wants to leave, they will sell for a decent fee. Their hands are tied. No wonder Rummenigge or Bayern didnt contact them when they bought Götze, with an attitude like that nobody wants to deal with them.
Even ignoring the news yesterday,the reality is, if we want Gundogan we'll get him.If we don't get him, it'll be because we went for someone better.
Either way my point was that we should have been investing in our squad properly during those years which would have prevented us from having to become desperate when buying players once Ferguson left. In our final match of the group stage campaign we had a team with no midfield.
- 01 De Gea
- 03 Evra Booked
- 04 Jones
- 05 Ferdinand
- 12 Smalling
- 15 Vidic (Evans - 44' )
- 11 Giggs
- 13 Park Ji-sung (Macheda - 82' )
- 17 Nani
- 18 Young Booked (Welbeck - 64' )
- 10 Rooney
That is just shocking to look at. Amazingly only 3 players out of the 2007-2010 transfer windows are at United currently (Valencia, Smalling, Rafael)
That 2009 summer was a stinker, £80M in for Ronnie and we bought Valencia and Obertan and got Michael Owen on a free.
Thats not to mention the transfer funds we already had in place for that summer DMC (without the Ronnie fee) + funds always being available for a "Marquee Signing" every summer..
I'm absolutely thrilled the club has changed its mantra on spending shitloads & attemptin to make us the club to come to. We've great young players at the club also..
Not really. We did well in the league but that is because SAF would have been able to win UCL with Heskey and Cattermole too.
We did badly in Europe after Ronaldo left. The squad quality significantly decreased since 2009. The policy wasn't working at all, but Fergie was so awesome that masked the policy's failures.
So it's off then?
Looking at his twitter, he seems to exclusively tweet in English He'll have no language problem when he moves here !
He'll have no language problem when he moves here !Ofcourse he is not going to state that there was contact. The golden rule in negotiations. Play hard to get...
BBCs record in transfer gossips is vitually non-exisitent. They dont speculate, they report things that took place.
2010 takes a bit of beating for crapness.
Smalling was bought in January, Heranndez April, and Bebe plucked from thin air, good job I wasn't such a muppet that year!
I can't believe how 24 hours ago we all thought this was going to happen 
What a turnaround
What a turnaroundWe did make it to the final in 2011.
Yep. Quartes in 2010, couldn't pass the groups in 12 and we lost in first KO stage in 13. Compare it to other top teams, or even us in years before it.
That's in the gossip, when they now tweet Gundogan is close to signing with United, it's as good as done. Dont read the gossip anyway.
Marseille, Chelsea and Schalke. We couldn't have asked for a better route to the final. I think in the final we went with Giggs and park ji sung in the middle.
That was too easy... which would explain our demise at Wembley.
Giggs and Carrick in midfield. Park and Valencia in the wings, Rooney as No.10 while Chicha in offside.
Giggs and Carrick in midfield against best midfield ever was criminal. No idea what SAF was thinking.
The more this deal delays the more i find faults in his play which is strange because i wasn't even thinking about Gundogan before yesterday.
I hoped he would have just sat back with a defensive team and try to grab a goal on the break. Guess he had too much pride for that.
That team is absolutely terrible compared to the 2008 final.
It was the lineup that won the title in the run in and got the team to the CL final.
So just to recap the 'deal' has been done with his agent who knows what Dortmund will take for him, & when the time is right United will approach Dortmund with an offer for him.
Makes sense I suppose but can't quite understand why it would be leaked so early, all very odd indeed.
Makes sense I suppose but can't quite understand why it would be leaked so early, all very odd indeed.
I think someone made a comment about his shooting being similar to Andersons or something. Probably thrown a spanner in the works.
Winning the title is far more easy than winning UCL. Playing Schalke, Marseille ir even Chelsea is a different beast to playing Barca at its best.
Ed Woodward probably watched a Youtube clip and called the whole thing off.
I have missed anderson. I also find it strange they both have the same amount of syllables in their surname.
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The rumours about a move from Gündogan to United were already denied on Friday evening by Dortmund. Dortmund CEO Watzke repeated this on Saturday: ''There is and was 0.0 contact with Manchester''. Gündogan has a contract til 2016, so BVB have to give their Ok for a possible departure. Behind the scenes, different scenarios took place the last few days. Apparently, Juve and Bayern made inquiries about Gündogan's availability. But BVB didnt receive any inquiries, from Gündogan himself also nothing.
Dortmund have negotiated a contract renewal with Gündogan a while ago, his salary would be a high single digit number (in million per year), it just needs his signature. Last season, Gündogan missed the complete season because of a complicated back nerve injury. Nevertheless, Dortmund extended his contract for another year. In the current season, Gündogan fights to find his form again he had til the summer 2013, which made the superclubs interested in him. In Dortmund, it is thought that the possibility that Gündogan would decide to stay at Dortmund meanwhile as the most probable.
But Dortmund are looking for replacements in the transfer market. Question remarks remain if Dortmund really want to keep Gündogan at all costs. With his dithering and hesitation, he didnt make himself a lot of friends in his surroundings. Apparently, it is getting interpreted as a lack of loyalty from the long injured player.
After all, the club stood by him through bad times. Even a move to the rival Bayern wouldnt make somebody go to the barricades in Dortmund as long as the fee received for him would balance out the loss of his departure.
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But this is Sky Sports who reported it, not the daily mirror! If we can't trust Sky Sports who do we trust?
Needs to wait the first game played
If Dortmund/Gundogan are fannying around with this deal at all we should just sign Geis and be done with it.
What does this actually mean? The other option would have been to release him by paying every cent until the end of the contract.
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