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Kill 'em all said:
We've gone from being very excited about the possibility of signing Depay and Gundogan to now thinking of losing Depay to Liverpool and that Sky Sports failed big time like Benatia and Hazard.

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Lets not forget! Sky Sports News have been all over the place when it comes to us.
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Lets no forget - Hazards agent wanted over £5m in his fee & United refused (Fergie said that in his next presser - he was furious).

He went to Chelsea because they paid what the agent wanted & maybe a few quid more in wages too.. Who's to say Hazard didnt prefer to join us, but we wouldnt dance to his & his agents tune..

We've lost out on so many players because we wouldnt pay what others were payin & now Hazard looks a fantastic deal at £32m (£5m+ of which, to his agent).
 
Attila said:
I think it must have been down to just money. It would be a bit crazy for him to decide his future on what happens during a penalty shoot out even though it got them into Europe. I think I read it was something about United not being prepared to give his agent loads of money.
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Chelsea could have gone to absolute shit if they failed to make the CL that season.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Chelsea could have gone to absolute shit if they failed to make the CL that season.
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Still unbelievable how Bayern managed to mess that final up. Imagine how it would feel if United had a european final at Old Trafford, dominated the whole match, missed a penalty in extra time and ended up throwing it away to a much inferior side.
 
Kill 'em all said:
We've gone from being very excited about the possibility of signing Depay and Gundogan to now thinking of losing Depay to Liverpool
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I've been lurking on this site since at least 2004 and it has been the same routine every time. Amazement followed by angst followed by either massive disappointment or wild (kermit).

Even the deals that were quick last summer had it - Falcao will he/won't he where Ballague was convinced he was city bound. Herrerra took a year of drama before hand. Shaw with Chelsea. Rojo on strike. Di Maria and PSG. Pretty sure Blind was linked with a few clubs too.
 
Hazard was a massive feck up by us.

It was typical United at the time though. Bulk at paying the market rate for players, while hunting ''value''.

Ultimately, it was this policy that led us to finishing seventh in the league, and now having to overpay for everyone as we are buying from a position of need, not strength.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard was a massive feck up by us.

It was typical United at the time though. Bulk at paying the market rate for players, while hunting ''value''.

Ultimately, it was this policy that led us to finishing seventh in the league, and now having to overpay for everyone as we are buying from a position of need, not strength.
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Until we changed managers that policy was working.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Hazard was a massive feck up by us.

It was typical United at the time though. Bulk at paying the market rate for players, while hunting ''value''.

Ultimately, it was this policy that led us to finishing seventh in the league, and now having to overpay for everyone as we are buying from a position of need, not strength.
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Indeed. Whether it be greed, ignorance or lack of money to spend, our transfer policy had been atrocious for a good few seasons. I think back to the summer of 2009 and just laugh. We let go of Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and replaced them with Antonio Valencia, Michael Owen and Gabriel Obertan. It's parody in hindsight. It will bite you on the arse eventually.
 
Kag said:
Indeed. Whether it be greed, ignorance or lack of money to spend, our transfer policy had been atrocious for a good few seasons. I think back to the summer of 2009 and just laugh. We replaced Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and replaced them with Antonio Valencia, Michael Owen and Gabriel Obertan. It's parody in hindsight. It will bite you on the arse eventually.
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Especially when you consider Robben and Sneijder were on the move that summer, and both played a major role in getting their new clubs to the Champions League final 09/10 (with Robben knocking us out along the way).
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The dragging power is strong in this one
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I don't expect to to be, with Depay or Gundogan. From memory, deals with both PSV and Dortmund are done pretty quickly when they accept a player will leave (which they seem to in those cases) as they want to move forward quickly and also need the money in order to sign others.

It's very early as it's still April and leagues are still played, but I don't expect either story to drag out much longer. Whether the players stay, go to United or go to another club, I expect both things to be over in May or early June.
 
Kag said:
Indeed. Whether it be greed, ignorance or lack of money to spend, our transfer policy had been atrocious for a good few seasons. I think back to the summer of 2009 and just laugh. We let go of Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and replaced them with Antonio Valencia, Michael Owen and Gabriel Obertan. It's parody in hindsight. It will bite you on the arse eventually.
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It was certainly a weird time.

Financially the club was still hamstrung to a certain extent, especially compared to now. But part of it always felt like Fergie taking a moral stance and probably being worried that selling clubs would see that £80 m burning a hole in his pocket and try to fleece us. Maybe they did and that why we ended up with those three.

Still could have taken either of them (Robben/Sneijder) in part ex, would've been a good move.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Until we changed managers that policy was working.
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It didn't work at all considering the club must have known Ferguson had to leave at some point and they should have been gradually kept adding quality to the squad. That policy cost the club a huge amount of money.

Plus we managed to get knocked out by the likes of Basle, Otelul Galati and Benfica in the champions league due to the lack of investment.
 
Attila said:
It didn't work at all considering the club must have known Ferguson had to leave at some point and they should have been gradually kept adding quality to the squad. That policy cost the club a huge amount of money.

Plus we managed to get knocked out by the likes of Basle, Otelul Galati and Benfica in the champions league due to the lack of investment.
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When Chelsea/City were knocked out of the group stages was it because lack of investment? We were eliminated because of the naive attacking football we played at the start of the something that was not fixed until late in the season.
 
I wouldn't read too much into it. Journos and websites know the easiest way to get traffic is to talk up potential transfers to United.
 
Raoul said:
I wouldn't read too much into it. Journos and websites know the easiest way to get traffic is to talk up potential transfers to United.
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as true as this is in general, the original source is quite reliable when it comes to news on dortmund. DER WESTEN is a regional outlet and not known for spouting nonsense.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
When Chelsea/City were knocked out of the group stages was it because lack of investment? We were eliminated because of the naive attacking football we played at the start of the something that was not fixed until late in the season.
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City have had groups that have had the likes of Bayern, Real Madrid, Napoli, Roma, Vilareal in them...not comparable at all to ours . They had never even reached Europe before unlike us who had been reaching the end stages every year since 2007. Chelsea had Juventus and Shaktar in their group.

Honestly how can anyone say that transfer policy was working?! Jesus just look at the players we were bringing in. Ronaldo and Tevez replaced with Valencia, Obertan and Owen. Paul Scholes replaced by bringing back Paul Scholes :lol:

Edit - Just look at the link Radon posted above. The transfers are staggeringly bad.

Edit 2 - I just checked the team we had against Basle that year when we got knocked out....

  • 01 De Gea
  • 03 Evra Booked
  • 04 Jones
  • 05 Ferdinand
  • 12 Smalling
  • 15 Vidic (Evans - 44' )
  • 11 Giggs
  • 13 Park Ji-sung (Macheda - 82' )
  • 17 Nani
  • 18 Young Booked (Welbeck - 64' )
  • 10 Rooney
We didn't even have a SINGLE midfielder :lol:!
 
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izec said:
big difference is that Sky wre the only one reporting it and breaking the news to us. Apparently Benatia changed his mind.

Here Der Westen broke the story. If i remember correctly, Bild said we wanted Hummels and Gündogan a week ago or something like that. After Der Westen, Sky Sport Germany said the deal was done. They still report it like that on their News Channel. Sky Uk has nothing to do with this one.
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I thought sky broke the news of gundogan that's where I saw it first from their tweet but if it came from Germany then I'm happy again I guess it's still on then.


Red Hand Devil said:
Martinez got injured (i think for the season), so Bayern had to buy a CB & Benatia was their man.

The "Sky Sources - Benatia to United" story, seemed to be on the money. Roma sold him the next day or so - supposedly after Benatia changed his mind to go to Bayern instead..
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I didn't know the full story, I just saw sky tweet he was on a plane bound for manchester then he ended up in Germany at bayern, yeah I remember Martinez getting injured for season I guess that swayed Bayern to get involved.
 
Damien said:
Us all watching that night on a crappy french stream is probably one of the weirdest moments on the caf. Like we expected him to announce his new club there and then but that was left to twitter.
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Oh shit, i remember that!. I think i was still in the noobs at that time though.

We are pathetic at times aren't we?:lol:
 
I can't believe it's still April and the roller coaster ride of the transfer window is already in full flow. Has this ever happened?
 
This is one of the few problems you have when you're a huge club, tons of fake shit said about you, being linked to every big name in the world, just because journo's know they can sell papers or get clicks.
Annoying.
 
Wait, so people have actually given up on this already?

Dortmund wasn't going to say "Yeah he's off, we've lost Goetze, Lewandowski. Losing Klopp and now we're going to lose Gundogan. But we'll be OK".

Patience people. There was too much noise last night for it to be all false.
 
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