We still need a midfielder since Carrick is nearly 34.
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We still need a midfielder since Carrick is nearly 34.
Gundogan herrera
Schneiderlin
What say you.
Schneiderlin
What say you.
Fellaini-----Herrera
Gundogan
Gundogan-----Herrera
Carrick
Gundogan
Gundogan-----Herrera
Carrick
Would you have Gundogan as holding midfielder?
Yes I would.
I doubt we buy Schneiderlin if Gundogan is coming. We still have the likes of Fellaini, Blind, and Herrera in the mix, so I doubt we would get a 2nd midfielder until Carrick moves on.
They're styles of play are pretty different for a start, but at worst, he gives us great depth for any of the 3 midfield positions and we won't be fecked if Herrera is injured like now, but at best, he gets back to his pre injury form and we partner him with Herrera and Blind/Carick and he turns into one of the top 5 midfielders around. Style wise, Gundogan generally plays deeper then Herrera and is more of a player who controls games with his passing. Herrera is a very good passer, but he's not going to dictate games with his passing range, Gundogan might not have Carrick/Scholes like range but he is still very good at that. We need a player like that to replace Carrick, someone who will dictate the tempo. Herrera is more the one who increases the tempo, injects pace and directness in the play when needed but is very energetic. Both next to each other could work really well as they are both all around players, both creative while being good defensively. So they are similar in that sense, but there's no reason why we shouldn't have 2 all around midfielders playing together. They're styles would compliment each other really well IMO.
I'd rather Gundogan anyways... I like Schneiderlin, but we would be void of creativity if he came as our only midfield signing. We'd be completely reliant on Herrera. Like this, Gundogan can partner the others really well, and fill in at any of those 3 positions, but also, we have Herrera and Gundogan capable of being the creative force from deep positions and capable of playing that box to box role.
Ultimately, its about LvG having as many tools in his toolbox. He can choose a variety of players for different midfield situations/opponents, and a player like Gundogan would obviously increase his options.
Does look as if Di Maria will be staying wide for the foreseeable.
Its good I guess. When he was in midfield at the beginning of the season he was good. But now we have finally figured out a system which works and he doesnt fit in as well. He is too light weight to be playing there and doesnt do much defensively. Him, Mata, Depay and Young are good options for the two wings. Im hoping Januzaj goes on loan.
Thanks for the reply but I'm not sure I agree. The reason why the 3 of carrick herrera and fellaini work is because of their different skill set that complement each other. Each has a distinct role. I don't think Gundogan is a scholes/modric/carrick type who controls the tempo of the game either. I think he will certainly add depth but if we want to replace carrick I think we should be looking at kondogbia and failing that go with Blind. If Gundogan is recruited and performs then I think herrera will either be moved forward or benched.
I think he does exactly that. He is a playmaker. He can very well be a deeper lying playmaker as well.
I doubt it too but it could work. Schneiderlin, Carrick, Blind, Herrera, Fellaini and Gundogan competing for 3 places. If the main three were Schneiderlin, Gundogan and Herrera it would be fine. Carrick is pretty old now, but still class. Blind can be a useful utility player for a number of positions. And Fellaini would provide us with an alternative but quite effective option. It would also mean, we would almost never have to play Rooney in midfield too.
Perhaps overkill though. Agree that we should get another holding midfielder when either Carrick turns to shite or when he moves on/retires.
So it was all bollocks then?
This really caught me off guard.
BELIEVE.
That is exactly what he is.
Champ21ions.
Apparently Dortmund denying stuff in the way they did now is what they do all the time when a transfer is pretty much done. Same people who are so reliable on dortmund have tweeted it, while I think Bild is the only ones saying it's not done yet and they are only reliable when it comes to Bayern.
When I logged off a few hours ago the ink was drying on Gundogan's United contract, now we are not in for him at all. 
I like you Bosnian Red!
When I logged off a few hours ago the ink was drying on Gundogan's United contract, now we are not in for him at all.
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When I logged off a few hours ago the ink was drying on Gundogan's United contract, now we are not in for him at all.
Really? Thought it was pretty much confirmed earlier on. Come on now and it's not happening. Disappointed if so, but ah well.
Most of the German media seem to think it's on, but our mopes are saying it's not, usual transfer shenanigans.
Recurring theme seems to be: never assume until it's done. It does sound like there's probably some sort of interest there though, at the very least.
I think it'll be done, it'll probably drag on for a good while though.
What the feck is this shit? People going crazy for Gundogan who was injured for over a year and lost the asset that made him world class - his dynamism. What is acutally going on? This is ridiculus. £30m? To be honest, he is currently not close to Herreras level. He won't play ahead of Fellaini. Disappointing signing if true.
Nowhere has the bit in bold been stated.
The German guy that reported it first today seemed very confident and Dortmund fans rate him as trustworthy, so it would be surprising if there is nothing in it at all.
He's 24 and he's shown his quality in the past, there is no reason to think his best years are behind him. He reads the game well and is a fantastic passer of the ball. One thing you can say about LVG is that he gets his team fit. He was out a long time with his back injury but he's playing regular now. £21.5m is not expensive considering his age and possible resale value. It seems a logical signing to bolster our possession style of football.
My bad, I read a few posts on here mentioning 30. Had a check and Sky Sports are mentioning £21,5 million. Nevertheless, I don't think it will turn out to be a good signing.
A manager known for moulding players into positions & improving them immensely in doing so. Would be restricting ability in doing so! Go figure...
A 24 year old Gundogan is different from a 29 year old Falcao.
Falcao suffered two serious knee injuries and his role relies a lot more on pace and movement. Gundogan is still young, I don't know if the back injury he had hampers him as physically as Falcao's knee problems. It mostly boils down to motivation, if Gundogan works hard in training he should be fine.
Falcao suffered two serious knee injuries and his role relies a lot more on pace and movement. Gundogan is still young, I don't know if the back injury he had hampers him as physically as Falcao's knee problems. It mostly boils down to motivation, if Gundogan works hard in training he should be fine.
Are you aware of his recent injury? If he can return to the level he was, 21,5 million will be an absolute bargain. But I don't believe that it'll happen. To be honest, I haven't watched him at all after his injury so if I'm wrong, I apologize to the people who actually have watched him and disagree with me. But like I said, when you're out for over a year, you don't just return instantly to the level you were at before. Judging by whoscored.com, he hasn't been near his pre-injury level, and to me, it just seems like a stupid risk. I'm so sick of us building a squad of injury prone players. Look at the top teams, Barca, Real and Bayern. One major reason why they're the three best teams in the world right now is that they can rely on their players. They can plan the future around their players. SAF admitted that he could never plan the future around Louis Saha. We can't plan the future around players like Rafael, Jones, Evans and possibly Gündogan.
Gundogan isn't injury prone, he just had this one bad injury, he also played the 6th most minutes this season for Dortmund.
No. Falcao never relied on his pace, although he was undoubtably a better striker with that extra bit of pace that he had. To me, Gündogan has stood out amongst other playmakers because of his agility and dynamism, something you lose with injuries.
He never relied on it, similarly to RVP. But when you hit 30 and you lose mobility, pace and stamina are naturally declining and the role they've been required to play seems an impossible task. I think it's too soon to write off Gundogans agility, he's 24, it's one bad injury.
Muppets Are out in force
Another shiny new big name player.....who had a terrible injury and would be a massive risk.
But muppets will be muppets
Another shiny new big name player.....who had a terrible injury and would be a massive risk.
But muppets will be muppets
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