Doubt it really, Fellaini has had a big impact this season but I doubt Van Gaal see's him as a key player long term. Important squad player sure but I don't see him being a key starter.
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To be fair, the likes of Lallana cost more in England.
He is Carrick's replacement as the midfield general not as an anchor, He will probably play next to Herrera, it's Fellaini who could lose, here.
It isn't a spell checker either!
Well it's only £20m pounds so its hardly that much for a United quality squad player(if he doesn't recapture his old form). I mean in this league you have Joe Allen, Jordan Henderson, Moussa Dembele and all sorts of average midfield players going for around £15m.
How much has he under performed in your opinion considering how much Dortmund have struggled this season? It must be hard to do well in a team that spent a large part of the season near the relegation zone! I haven't seen him play at all this year so I'm just hoping he will do well.
I feel this will be announced by BVB this weekend.
HERE you loud and clear!Right...I'm off to bed shortly, I've learned to not waste my time on this stuff.
Disagree with both. Gundogan possesses a lot of similar qualities to Carrick and Herrera. If no more options are added in midfield, I think Fellaini will almost always start to add an extra dynamic to our midfield and general play.
Lets hope it goes better for Gundogan
Fare play!
Herrera isn't playing with all his tools at the moment because of the lack of a player like Gundogan next to him, he is very different from Gundogan. And While Gundogan isn't bad defensively, he is nowhere near Blind or Carrick.
Herrera may not have Gundogan next to him, but he has Carrick behind him, who gives him a lot of freedom to playmake in the final third.
You don't want to believe I'm right cause it's Fellaini, but the truth is that I'm probably right.
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First few months back from injury, looks a bit fat at the start of the video but looks sharp nonetheless.
LVG wants two midfield controllers and one creative midfielder, Fellaini isn't creative, he will therefore probably lose his place for someone who is. Herrera had to adapt to the controller role because we didn't have anyone else except Rooney who is a striker.
So how comes Herrera has NEVER been used in a creative role this season? Not once...
The two controlling and one creative isn't always essential for LvG. What Fellaini is doing is 'creative', just not in the usual way.
There will be plenty of games available for Herrera, Gundogan and Fellaini to have game time. Different games will need different tactics. 2 positions for 3/4 players seems fine.
...Chelsea FC founded 2003Because we didn't had the right balance, in term of personal. We are lacking one specialist. Look LVG uses the same midfield than Guardiola:
- 1 anchor who is a good passer and very good in term of positioning: Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Carrick
- 1 deep playmaker who is a good passer and very good in term of positioning and pressing: Xavi, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Herrera
- 1 creative midfielder who has a lot of freedom but has to be good defensively(pressing, interceptions): Thiago, Iniesta, Herrera
Gundogan like Strootman are in the second category, Herrera transformed himself into a potent defensive #8 but he is still at his best in the last third.
He was sooooooo good pre injury. If he can't capture that form again, he would be an incredible signing.
Well, given that he gifted opposing sides at least half a dozen goals with highly dangerous passes or being robbed of the ball, he was not a small part of the struggle himself.
Gündogan was never the most proficient player in the defensive department, but his defensive skills have definitively suffered the most from his injury. They were certainly flashes of his offensive skills throughout the season, mostly next to Sahin who took over most of the defensive duties in the central midfield. This is hardly something new, because Gündogan has always (even pre injury) shined the most, when he was granted a lot of freedom to go forward by a defensive orientated partner. His best suited partner was definitively a Sven Bender in top form, who basically anchored the midfield by himself with his enourmous work rate and good positioning.
Gündogan is a CM/AM hybrid and I don´t see this changing in the future. This is also why I don´t see him as Carrick´s successor, because he does not possess a similar skill set, far from it.
People keep saying that about LvG, but when was the last time he actually used a midfield three like that? De Jong - Strootman - Sneider before Strootman got injured is probably the last time. But even then, he didn't always use that combination for Holland.
Even against Arsenal in the FA Cup, he brought on Carrick at half time to play both Carrick and Blind in midfield (two controlling midfielders), but he took off Herrera and kept Fellaini on to play as our further forward midfielder.
I'm pretty certain Fellaini will keep his place for majority of matches next season because LvG clearly admires the dynamic he adds to our midfield.
Hmm that doesn't give me much confidence in Gundogan. I'm just going to ignore you and pretend we are signing the 2012/2013 version of Gundogan
I don't think his lack of defensive ability will be a problem at United because we currently play a 3-man midfield which will always have a proper DM like Carrick/Blind at the base of it. Gundogan will most likely be utilised in one of the further two positions alongside either Herrera/Fellaini who both contribute a great deal to defensive duties as well.
I think the things about him being about Carrick's long term successor is not about the position but more about having a player in midfield who can dictate the passing of the game like Scholes used to do for us and what Carrick is doing now.
Miguel Delaney and ESPN are saying we aren't closing in on him.
He kept Fellaini and we lost the midfield, totally.
FFS. The last thing I want is another Thiago.
This transfer can go 3 ways....
1. He recaptures his pre injury form and we have on of the top 5 central midfielders in the world
2. He doesn't get his old form back but we still have a very good squad player
3. We have a Hargreaves situation all over again.
at this point I don't care......
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1. He recaptures his pre injury form and we have on of the top 5 central midfielders in the world
2. He doesn't get his old form back but we still have a very good squad player
3. We have a Hargreaves situation all over again.
at this point I don't care......
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Well it was fun.
Would Gundogan be curtains for Herrera? Surely Herrera / Gundogan would not be a solid enough central midfield?
Yep, because Carrick and Blind never worked together.
There's no way Gundogan is being signed to play the anchor role.
@Sparky Rhiwabon We play 3 midfielders, they will be fine with a defensive midfielder behind them. Herrera is no defensive slouch either.
But aren't we playing 4-3-3 with Carrick, Herrere and Fellaini in the middle? Surely Gündoğan will take Fellaini's place.
I think most of his games will come in Herrera/Fellaini's position, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him play as an anchor at some point next season at all.
The three of them didn't work.
Should I find this photo scary or funny? It's on RAWK.
This denial business just sounds like standard United procedure nowadays we pretty much always deny we're in for players until it's announced, the German links are what interest me because they seem to be coming from places which the Dortmund fans consider highly reliable
It won't matter as the best players will wind up playing. We bought Di Maria last summer, widely considered a world class player, and he's been on the bench. If Herrera is indispensable, Gundogan (if we buy him) could well also be a squad player.
My word he ran the show that day.
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