Would be very difficult next summer too, I think Barca and Real will both probably be interested.
İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread
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Would be very difficult next summer too, I think Barca and Real will both probably be interested.
£25m 
More like £40m plus Shinji.
More like £40m plus Shinji.
Where would he fit in at either club?
There would have to be a mass exodus of players.
There's more chance of me laying an egg than Gundogan coming to United this summer.
No chance. Currently Dortmund's most important and least replaceable player.
I'd like us to go in for him hard and fast next summer, however. No mucking about, a big decisive bid as early as possible.
I'd like us to go in for him hard and fast next summer, however. No mucking about, a big decisive bid as early as possible.
We will never ever get this player. He is far too proven and likely in demand. He would be double our record transfer fee.
Dream on
Dream on
To be honest, I'd be disappointed if we don't beat our record transfer fee next summer. Was expecting it is summer but we need to spend big for a midfielder, and if gundogan becomes available, I would much rather spend 50 odd million on him (even though that wouldn't be the price they ask) then spend 50 million on bale like what was rumoured earlier this transfer window, let alone what Madrid are likely to pay.
Our record transfer was a huge amount maybe 7 years ago, but it's the going price for a very good player in his prime now.
Agree with you though, never going to happen.
He has only two years left on his contract. Dortmund try to extend it, but so far nothing has happened, but Watzke said in an interview this week that he believes he will stay for a few more years. If he wants to leave next year, I doubt the transfer fee would be around €50m, but it's tough to say and a lot depends on available replacements for Dortmund. It looks like they will defintitely loose Lewandowski, maybe they keep him again until his contract is up, if they don't want to loose two of their best players in one summer. They made a shitload of money last season, so they really aren't dependent on making money on transfers. Hopefully he stays though. Would love to see Dortmund establish themselves as a top 8 club in Europe.
Dortmund would be silly to not offer him a huge contract, he is quite comfortably their best central midfielder but I have a feeling that the current hang up is that he wants to have a buy out clause in his contract but Dortmund isn't willing to give him one after the Götze disaster. Non the less I feel they will probably reach a conclusion before the season is over and everything he and his father, who is also his agent, have said so far hints towards the fact that Gündogan seems to be a player who favors going abroad later in his career and not before he is 25/26.
They have Sahin back. We should try everything to get Gündogan imo
We won't get him when he becomes available, although I can see us giving it a try. He'll be off to Barca to replace Xavi.
Can't see this really happening...i get the impression the press are as desperate as us to sign a midfielder.
Do we have pulling power?
Young prospect british lad is one thing, but proven world class is another, and we have problem luring the later.
I don't think world class player will put us on the #1 destination (asuming transfer fee agreed etc)
Young prospect british lad is one thing, but proven world class is another, and we have problem luring the later.
I don't think world class player will put us on the #1 destination (asuming transfer fee agreed etc)
I doubt we will even try. We are not that aggressive in the transfer market. Methods have changed during the past few years. We also got to change our methods. Woodward type bids will not get us anywhere. The only player we aggressively sought, and got, after Berba, was RVP.
We'll be mad not to try, but I guess it will be another Sanchez like situation where the player would have already made up his mind to join Barcelona, so we'll probably get out of the bidding early.
Why is this not a Manchester United forum? Have a logged in somewhere else...?
I don't think we are going to reach £40m or £50m at any point during the next 5 years.
Said it before, I wonder what would have happened if we pursued this lad with the same determination as Fabregas. Probably wouldnt have gotten him but IMO a more realistic target.
Far too late in the window now though
Far too late in the window now though
It would take a monumental offer for Dortmund to even consider it. They're a rich club with a strong fanbase. I don't think it was ever possible.
We got Kagawa easy enough.
With a year left on his contract and a ready made replacement in Reus (a better player) waiting to be brought in. Also, kagawa wanted to come to Man Utd and only Man Utd.
First of all what Cina said. Secondly Dortmund were a different club back then. They announced a profit of €50m for the 12/13 season. Now they are a bit like Bayern light when it comes to money. I don't think there was any chance of them selling Gündogan this summer and even if he does not extend his contract I don't think they will sell unless they get a good offer and find a good replacement.
I don't even think that Gundogan would want to leave. He's about to get a big contract there, he's their main man in midfield and suits their style perfectly plus German players usually prefer to stay in the country. I'm not even sure that United have a better team than Dortmund right now.
We'll never get anyone if we pursue them with the same determination as Fábregas.
Quite a few left in the last years. Özil, Khedira, Podolski, Schürrle, Marin, Mertesacker, Holtby, Gomez and Klose are the well known ones, but also Trochowski, Lell, Huth, Riether and Ebert start regularly for teams in England and Spain and quite a few young talents also left for England, Yesil to Liverpool and Gnarbry to Arsenal for example.
That 'usually' is really a bit of a myth on the Caf. In the 70's Breitner and Netzer went to Real, in the 80's and early 90's a lot of our great players went abroad, mostly to Italy. Rummenigge, Matthäus, Schuster, Effenberg, Sammer, Kohler, Berthold, Brehme, Völler, Klinsmann, Illgner, Bierhoff, Ziege, Babbel and I'm sure there are more.
Our post 96 generation was simply terrible and the few good players went to Bayern. That's why there weren't a lot of quality German players abroad from 2000-2010. But even then Ballack, our only world class player during that time, left for England and wanted to go to Real the year before he left for Chelsea.
People underestimate the lure of money. United can offer CL football, a regular chance to win things and a place at an illustrious club. They can also probably offer double the wages that a lot of clubs can offer.
We have a chance of getting any player. Some foreign players may prefer the chance to play for Barca or Real and the lifestyle elsewhere, but not all players can go to those two.
We havent really tried to get established players over the recent past and looked to younger talent - looks like the club may be moving in a different direction.
I think now would be a great time to go for him, providing we are willing to put money where our mouth is.
Bayern are over stocked. Real are too caught up in the Bale transfer and Barca would only open the door to Cesc's departure.
City and Chelsea could mean competition, but they've spent high already and aren't as desperate as us.
Dortmund would be very reluctant to sell at this stage though, but if we really do have the funds to buy whoever we want now would be a great time if we wanted to avoid competition.
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Bayern are over stocked. Real are too caught up in the Bale transfer and Barca would only open the door to Cesc's departure.
City and Chelsea could mean competition, but they've spent high already and aren't as desperate as us.
Dortmund would be very reluctant to sell at this stage though, but if we really do have the funds to buy whoever we want now would be a great time if we wanted to avoid competition.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he were to leave next summer in some long drawn out saga, and we show absolutely no interest at all. The cafites keep begging for us to get involved while we pursue other targets, then he eventually moves for several million less than we expected, and we then say that while he is good, actual target (Jordan Henderson) will be a 'better fit for the team'. Well, some will say that, while the rest will insist (with no information), that we probably did enquire but were told that he 'only wants to go to club 'x'', so 'there is nothing we could have done about that one'.
United should go all out for this kid.. In interviews he stated that he likes our club and we have been following him since his Nurnberg days..
The chances of us signing the kid are slim, oh so bloody slim.
Every one of the big teams will be after him once he decides its time to move on.
Shame really he's mint!
Every one of the big teams will be after him once he decides its time to move on.
Shame really he's mint!
I think that he has said in the past that he likes United. Also here he would be comfortably a starter, not sure for that in Madrid/Barca (though likely he would be a starter on Madrid too).
Also, if we ever want to break our transfer record, than it should be for him.
Reus wasn't better than Kagawa, both were in the same level. But agree with the last point, Kagawa wanted to come here and was in the last year of his contract. The only way for us to get Ilkay is if he doesn't extend the contract and next summer he'll be in the last year.
Myth well and truly obliterated
... if any country is really guilty of never wanting to explore foreign waters with regards to football, its the English... even the irish, scots and welsh footballers are happy to move around from their countries to England, the English rarely leave.Dortmund to sell their most influential (and possibly their best) player only 4 days before the transfer window get closed? Not even if we offer 50m. People are really not listening what Dortmund is saying and doing. They didn't sell Lewa for 20m in the last year of his contract despite he wanted to leave. Even more, they increased his wage by almost 4m although his contract wasn't extended.
They are a club of principles and aren't in the business of making money (cause they don't have an owner who milks them), so they losing Gundogan is a big no this summer. We had a better chance of signing Cesc than him.
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Agreed, he is everything Cleverley is, but 10x better.
His killer passes, his ability to dribble fast and score different types of goals are a huge bonus. Great player.
So you're ignoring all of the oil money clubs, like the Russians, French, English? They are in a position to outbid us on both wages and transfer fee. It's also never mattered to them if they are already overstocked... look at Chelsea and the ridiculous attacking midfield situation they have. You're over-simplifying the situation I'm afraid.
This. I think people are underestimating Dortmund as a small "selling" club. They have no reason whatsoever to let their best player go. I doubt we could "double his wages" either, really. I'm not sure what he's on but with UK tax we'd struggle to double it I'm sure, without paying him a lot more than a lot of our established players are on.
By "people" are you referring to the endless line of people queueing up in this thread to tell us that Dortmund aren't a selling club and we'd have no chance of prizing him away?
This is one muppet's dream too far this summer, especially with 5 days left and our inability to do big deals quickly unless we pay well over the odds (See Berbatov). His contract expires in 2015, so next summer if he refuses to sign we can push extremely hard to get him then, and if we don't then I will not be happy with senor Woody letting another brilliant young CM going for a cheap price. I say cheap because one year left on a contract will have driven his price down an insane amount.
Oh gosh, you're right, this thread represents literally everyone who has ever spoken about Manchester United signing Gundogan.
I've literally not heard anybody other than the odd silly article (Sports Direct News!?) claim that we'll be signing him. Every actual person I've heard an opinion from thinks it very unlikely.
You must know lots of optimistic people. Either that or you wanted to look clever by posting a more informed point of view than all the other muppets in the thread, but forgot to read what anybody had actually been saying.
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