İlkay Gündoğan Transfer Thread

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kouroux said:
How do you pronounce his first name ? On ESPN the pundits were going ending "Ilkay" like "OK", I thought they were ridiculous.
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That's how they pronounce it here in Germany. Turkish people might do it differntly though.

Mainoldo said:
If we are truly interested he will be easier to get than Fabregas. I would assume they would sell around the £30m mark even though that is a bit pricey for him.
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I don't think so:
-Dortmund don't need the money
-they've already lost a core player in Götze
-finding a replacement for Gündogan before the season starts will be next to impossible
-it would send a bad sign to their other players

He's in talks with Dortmund about extending his contract. If they fail he will probably be available next summer.
 
Brwned said:
I wouldn't rule this one out yet. Naturally his opinion will have changed a bit since then as he's went on to be a star for a CL finalist and will likely have every top club in Europe looking at him, but there could be something to this. Not sure he'll end up a better player than Thiago or Fábregas but I think he'd be better suited to us.
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Agree with all of this. He'll be perfect for us, and while I think that Thiago will be a better player, Ilkay will be a star too. Anyway, I think that even if we want him, we are a bit late this year, but I hope that we try to get him next summer.
 
Mainoldo said:
If we are truly interested he will be easier to get than Fabregas. I would assume they would sell around the £30m mark even though that is a bit pricey for him.
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Dortmund would be mad to accept that, whether he is worth it or not. They've lost Goetze, they're losing Lewandowski next year. Keep selling your best players and before you know it, you're not qualifying for the CL and £30m doesn't seem like a good deal at all. Who can they replace Gundogan with that won't be a big downgrade in their system? If there's an answer to that, we should just buy that player.
 
I remember watching Dortmund last season and being blown away at how good their number 8 was, before I even knew who he was.

I haven't watched him week-in week-out but Jesus Lord, what a player he seems.
 
Scrumpet said:
Dortmund would be mad to accept that, whether he is worth it or not. They've lost Goetze, they're losing Lewandowski next year. Keep selling your best players and before you know it, you're not qualifying for the CL and £30m doesn't seem like a good deal at all. Who can they replace Gundogan with that won't be a big downgrade in their system? If there's an answer to that, we should just buy that player.
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They haven't got the prestidge to hold on to these players hence why Lewandowski will be gone soon, fare enough Gotze was a different story but if we really want him and offered big money.. we could get him. His head would turn and they are very good with their transfer policy they could easily by a player like Badelj and tick on as normal.
 
Mainoldo said:
They haven't got the prestidge to hold on to these players hence why Lewandowski will be gone soon, fare enough Gotze was a different story but if we really want him and offered big money.. we could get him. His head would turn and they are very good with their transfer policy they could easily by a player like Badelj and tick on as normal.
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Yes, this can happen in next summer, especially if Gundogan wants to leave. But for this summer, I think that even a 50m bid won't be enough to get him. Dortmund won't sell their most influential player, a week before the league starts and without a replacement (especially after losing Gotze and Lewa making clear that he'll go next season) regardless of the price. He should be a top target next summer though.
 
Watching him last night in the Super Cup, all I could think was how I want Kagawa to do the job that Gundogan did in the game. He brilliantly took the ball from the midfield and started the attacks. Kagawa was exactly the same when he played for Dortmund a couple of seasons ago.
 
Dortmund would laugh at a 50 million bid from us...only muppet fans would think we could get him...dortmund would consider themselves a bigger club then us in this moment from coming to within an inch of the champions league....and they have a very healthy financial state....they will believe they can win the cl this year and wouldnt dare sell another player at any price and have bought a replacement for gotze that is just as good as him
 
Ringo 07 said:
Dortmund would laugh at a 50 million bid from us...only muppet fans would think we could get him...dortmund would consider themselves a bigger club then us in this moment from coming to within an inch of the champions league....and they have a very healthy financial state....they will believe they can win the cl this year and wouldnt dare sell another player at any price and have bought a replacement for gotze that is just as good as him
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The same Dortmund who seem happy to let Bayern ream them?
 
Revan said:
Agree with all of this. He'll be perfect for us, and while I think that Thiago will be a better player, Ilkay will be a star too. Anyway, I think that even if we want him, we are a bit late this year, but I hope that we try to get him next summer.
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Will be, huh? I would honestly think, that being instrumental in winning two national titles in a European top league and being the most influential and important player of a team, which reached the CL final, would make you a star player. He is certainly viewed as such in Germany. Ilkay Gündogan is currently one of the 5 best CM in the world.

The comparision to Thiago is difficult, because they interpret the position differently. Thiago is more offensive minded, while Gündogan is more of an allround midfielder, striking a balance between defense and offense and concentrating on actual playmaking.

The question of their potential is just as hard to answer. Both have enourmous talent and are the most promising players on their position (Wilshere would be up there, too if he would not be so damn injury prone). There is one difference here, though. While being around the same age (Gündogan is six months older), Gündogan could actually make more use of his talent and put it on the pitch. He is at this point and time simply more proven. He had to step up, become a lead player and perform in the big games, because his team depended on him to an great extend.

Thiago was with all his talent in the important matches only second choice in Barcelona. This was of course hardly his fault and had more to do with his competition there. However, the fact still remains, that he has to show his true worth in the future. If Guardiola keeps his promise, he will have the chance to do exactly that in Munich. We will probably know more at the end of the season.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Dortmund would laugh at a 50 million bid from us...only muppet fans would think we could get him...dortmund would consider themselves a bigger club then us in this moment from coming to within an inch of the champions league....and they have a very healthy financial state....they will believe they can win the cl this year and wouldnt dare sell another player at any price and have bought a replacement for gotze that is just as good as him
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What a stupid post...
 
Sphaero said:
Will be, huh? I would honestly think, that being instrumental in winning two national titles in a European top league and being the most influential and important player of a team, which reached the CL final, would make you a star player. He is certainly viewed as such in Germany. Ilkay Gündogan is currently one of the 5 best CM in the world.
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he has been there only for two seasons, he was at Nurnberg before that. so make that one title.
 
sajeev said:
he has been there only for two seasons, he was at Nurnberg before that. so make that one title.
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I was referring to the double of the 2011/2012 season, meaning the league championship and the win of the cup. Both are national titles in my book.

Ringo 07 said:
Dortmund would laugh at a 50 million bid from us...only muppet fans would think we could get him...dortmund would consider themselves a bigger club then us in this moment from coming to within an inch of the champions league....and they have a very healthy financial state....they will believe they can win the cl this year and wouldnt dare sell another player at any price and have bought a replacement for gotze that is just as good as him
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No Dortmund supporter in their right mind would consider that. There is always two sides in professional football. The one on and the one besides the pitch.

In a pure Sports sense a duel between Dortmund and United would be a quite close affair, which could go either way.

However, as Club the difference in reputation, history, popularity and finances is quite severe. Dortmund would need at least a decade to catch up in some areas and some others will never be reachable, because of the PL factor and the English language.

Dortmund´s main problem is, that the growth of the team is way faster than the one of the club. This does not mean, that the club is not growing, it does even at a high pace, but not on the same level.

Several of the key players have outgrown their own contracts, which leads to things like the low release clause of Götze.


A transfer of Gündogan in this summer is still not even remotely realistic, though. The reason for that is just not the size of the club, but the importance of Gündogan himself. To be honest, this has been done to death on here. I have already written two massive walls of text to that topic.

In short, a transfer would be unwise by Dortmund from pretty much any standpoint, even the pure financial one, which is why it won´t happen this season. In that sense, he is indeed a muppet dream.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Dortmund would laugh at a 50 million bid from us...only muppet fans would think we could get him...dortmund would consider themselves a bigger club then us in this moment from coming to within an inch of the champions league....and they have a very healthy financial state....they will believe they can win the cl this year and wouldnt dare sell another player at any price and have bought a replacement for gotze that is just as good as him
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Christ.
 
Mainoldo said:
They haven't got the prestidge to hold on to these players hence why Lewandowski will be gone soon, fare enough Gotze was a different story but if we really want him and offered big money.. we could get him. His head would turn and they are very good with their transfer policy they could easily by a player like Badelj and tick on as normal.
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Are you serious with this post?
Aside from Gündogan and Kehl pretty much their entire squad has contracts that run at least until 2016, a lot of them till 2017, afaik the only one with a clause is Reus (supposedly €~35m in 2015).
Gündogan himself has hinted that he could be willing to sign a new contract and his father (=agent) is in talks with the club.
United or any club for that matter can throw as much money as it wants at the player, the fact that he has a contract until 2015 remains, so this summer they have neither need nor will to sell him, especially not for a price that would be remotely fair.
If he decides not to renew his contract they will certainly be willing to listen to offers, however the Lewandowski case suggests that they might be prepared to keep him if they don't like the offers.

Of course everything and everyone has its/his price but this is not FM, United don't have a reputation for throwing around silly transfer offers.

And while Dortmund have a great track record in the transfer market they are no magicians. They don't turn shit into gold, they are just very good at assessing whether or not a player fits their style and vice versa. You could see that with Sahin for example, he looked amazing at Dortmund because the team allowed him to focus on his strengths and helped him with his weaknesses, Real/Liverpool however weren't such a match and he fell behind. Or take Kagawa for example. Player of the season at Dortmund, looking amazing. At United however the style is different and he often could not play on his favoured position, thus he could only show glimpses of his Dortmund days.
I have no doubt Dortmund could find a player that will fit into the team, but the difference with Gündogan is that he's not just that strong because Dortmund's team suits him so well, but because his individuall skill is exceptional too and Dortmund won't be able to buy a player that delivers the same individual quality right away, so no matter how much they get for him it will probably always hurt their team at least a bit.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Dortmund would laugh at a 50 million bid from us...only muppet fans would think we could get him...dortmund would consider themselves a bigger club then us in this moment from coming to within an inch of the champions league....and they have a very healthy financial state....they will believe they can win the cl this year and wouldnt dare sell another player at any price and have bought a replacement for gotze that is just as good as him
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Jesus fecking Christ on a harley :wenger:
 
Ramshock said:
Jesus fecking Christ on a harley :wenger:
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:Dlet me rephraze that ...
obviously I mean that if you compared player for player and asked a dortmund fan which team is more powerful in this moment then I'd say their fans would always go for their squad ahead of ours...and some of our fans would agree with that too....dortmund will of course lose yhe likes of gundogan and lewandowski a year from now but theres no amount of money that will make them sell a player like gundogan now as they dont have to sell and are very ambitious so this thread shouldnt even be open until next summer when gundogan will head to real madrid possibly!
 
Sphaero said:
Will be, huh? I would honestly think, that being instrumental in winning two national titles in a European top league and being the most influential and important player of a team, which reached the CL final, would make you a star player. He is certainly viewed as such in Germany. Ilkay Gündogan is currently one of the 5 best CM in the world.

The comparision to Thiago is difficult, because they interpret the position differently. Thiago is more offensive minded, while Gündogan is more of an allround midfielder, striking a balance between defense and offense and concentrating on actual playmaking.

The question of their potential is just as hard to answer. Both have enourmous talent and are the most promising players on their position (Wilshere would be up there, too if he would not be so damn injury prone). There is one difference here, though. While being around the same age (Gündogan is six months older), Gündogan could actually make more use of his talent and put it on the pitch. He is at this point and time simply more proven. He had to step up, become a lead player and perform in the big games, because his team depended on him to an great extend.

Thiago was with all his talent in the important matches only second choice in Barcelona. This was of course hardly his fault and had more to do with his competition there. However, the fact still remains, that he has to show his true worth in the future. If Guardiola keeps his promise, he will have the chance to do exactly that in Munich. We will probably know more at the end of the season.
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Well, I meant in that way that he is more a star in the making at the moment, having had 2 good seasons (in one exceptional) but he's not right there in the top midfielders in the world. I think that him and Thiago in the future will be the equivalents of last years Xavi and Iniesta.

And yeah, I agree that he is more proven than Thiago and had a better season. Still, I think that Thiago has higher potential and I will say what I have been saying for the last 2-3 years, that in a mid future Thiago will be the best midfielder in the world. Gundogan will be one of the best too, IMO.
 
Just got together with one of the fittest soap actresses (google Sila Sahin if you want to) as well - signing him after the World Cup will be a lot more likely/possible.
 
What does his girlfriend have to do with anything?
 
She also lives in Germany and it obviously wouldn't help their relationship if he was to move abroad as abruptly as suggested.
 
Ramshock said:
The same Dortmund who seem happy to let Bayern ream them?
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Baffling logic, they had no say in Götze transfer as he had a release clause which Bayern matched and they didn't let Lewandowski go even though they are going to lose him for nothing as compared to €20m they could have easily cashed in this Summer.
 
Jaap said:
Just got together with one of the fittest soap actresses (google Sila Sahin if you want to) as well - signing him after the World Cup will be a lot more likely/possible.
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If we make a move it would be before a WC. His stock is high enough as it is without throwing in a few performances thus adding to his price tag never mind that he will probably have another good season under his belt. All we could hope for at present is that he doesn't sign an extension for the moment. He's top notch, he'd cost us a bomb and chances are we'd lose out on him anyway. Bastard of a signing to pull off.
 
The Neviller said:
De Gea has a fit, famous girlfriend. She's from Spain and everything.
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Is she still in Spain or did she move with him here?

I think the main problem is that his girlfriend has a good job in Germany and probably wouldn't move to another country so that will probably play a role in his decision if he wants the relationship to go anywhere.
 
Just offer them a stupid amount of money...it can't be worse than the Fabregas fiasco.
 
I genuinely think Dortmund wouldn't even consider a £50m bid at this point, this is the club that wouldn't sell Lewandowski for £20m+ and would rather give him extra £4m to spend another year there. They stick to their principles and there'd be no time to even attempt to replace Gundogan if he left now.
 
Hopefully this guy will be our main target in the next summer. But for this summer, chances to sign him are zero.
 
I've said this since before last summer, but I'll say it again: if we could sign any CM in the world, then Gündogan would be my first choice.
 
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