The English commentators on the game with Arsenal said last night Gundogan was back training, so he should really be match fit by the end of November.
It has definitely been a big lay off though, lucky for them Sahin has remained fit.
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The English commentators on the game with Arsenal said last night Gundogan was back training, so he should really be match fit by the end of November.
It has definitely been a big lay off though, lucky for them Sahin has remained fit.
I don't get why taking money into account makes it an irrelevant discussion. If a player has to choose between two different clubs he'll certainly take their wage structure into account. It doesn't mean the club who offers the most is the most attractive, it's just one of many factors to take into account. Obviously Monaco's money doesn't make them more attractive than Barcelona but it does make them more attractive than other French clubs, doesn't it?
In pure footballing terms you're right, United/Barca/Madrid/Bayern are clearly the most attractive clubs. I think what makes a club "attractive" goes beyond footballing reasons though. I'm not saying the likes of Monaco, PSG, Chelsea and City are more attractive than us, just that they have other advantages that make them bigger competition for a player's signature than they should be on pure footballing terms. I don't think factoring that in makes the discussion irrelevant, it's just another element that needs to be considered.
It's all subjective anyway, the things that make a club attractive change from player to player. A British player would probably find United more attractive than a Spanish player would, a money focused player would find Chelsea more attractive than United, a player focusing on lifestyle would prefer a team like Madrid or Milan, etc. Obviously if you were a player you'd focus on footballing reasons but not all footballers do that, so it's fair to take other factors into account too, I think.
Rene Meulensteen is answering questions on Twitter and someone's just asked him who he thinks United needs in central midfield - Gundogan was his answer. Whether that means he's an actual target or not is another thing.
He's back in training for Dortmund.
I saw that and was a bit puzzled, I thought Gundogan was a more advanced playmaker and not a central midfielder. Is he?
He's a central midfielder. Closest in style from the premier league would be Wilshere.
Also... he's a fecking brilliant player.
Well, let's heed Meulensteen's advice, sign him up Moyesie
I hope it means that Ferguson and the coaches were talking about this last season since they relayed their targets to Moyes before the season started. Not that Moyes wouldn't be made aware or apparent of this kids quality.
We were supposedly in for him before he went to Dortmund, and there have been lots of rumours we're still really interested.
Of course, everybody else is too. He's said he'd love to play in Spain or England one day, and how he's flattered to be linked to United - so here's hoping.
Oh, he should deffo be on our radar. I've never seen the kid play, but all I've heard is rave reviews.
Is he cup tied? Heard he was injured for quite some time. If he is, I doubt any CL playing club will make a move for him in January.
No CL games yet, so not cup tied.
No chance of him leaving until the summer, but even then its unlikely he'll leave this season. Maybe after next season. Don't think there's any chance of United getting him anyways, he'd cost over 40m probably and every team in the world would be after him.
You've never seen him play? Did you not watch any of Dortmunds champions league games last year??
You've never seen him play? Did you not watch any of Dortmunds champions league games last year??
In that case, we should move for him in January. Dont know if we will. But he is top quality, and someone who can do a job for us, given our shaky midfield.
No chance of him leaving until the summer, but even then its unlikely he'll leave this season. Maybe after next season. Don't think there's any chance of United getting him anyways, he'd cost over 40m probably and every team in the world would be after him.
You've never seen him play? Did you not watch any of Dortmunds champions league games last year??
No one but Monaco are paying £40m for this guy. I'll bet 6 figures on it.
If he doesn't sign a new contract then with only a year left on his current deal it won't be Dortmund who decide which club he joins, it'll be him. I doubt the transfer fee, whatever it might be, will be too much of a hindrance.
Isn't it always the player who decides which club he joins? Well unless 3rd party ownership is involved, of course. It's probably similar to the Lewandowski case, Dortmund would decide if what clubs are willing to pay is more worth than him staying for his last year and leaving on a free. They won't sell to Bayern and they won't sell on the cheap. I don't think it'll be anything close to £40m though, that's just absurd for a player in the last year of his contract.
Gundogan can have his choice from almost all the biggest clubs in the world, which not many players have. They are restricted to chose from the clubs that are able to agree a fee with their current clubs. Having a year left on his contract means it won't be the heavy transfer fee involved that will be the deciding factor. If he decides to leave, he can join any team he desires, and all it will cost him is another year at Dortmund.
He'd be absolutely perfect for us.
Technically speaking you could say that it is but we all know that the agent will have a great deal of say in where a player ends up.
Eden Hazard, for example, happened to join the only club that would meet his agents ludicrous demands. I highly doubt that he was following his heart to Chelsea.
Paul Pogba is a player who just happened to join a club with strong links to his agent, making a move that financially benefited the agent to a far greater tune than if he had resigned with United.
I really think we should stop blaming agents for the player's decisions. They aren't forced to hire the biggest cnuts in football to represent them, Hazard and Pogba chose those agents, because they wanted deals that suited their career plan the most, I highly doubt that they needed to be convinced to make as much money as possible. Pogba's agent is Raiola, right? He's for example the one Mkhitaryan chose as an agent to get out of his contract at Donezk. Mkhitaryan should have been sold for big money to a Russian club, Raiola made it possible (crazy story about politcal pressure in Armenia and the Ukraine) for him to join Dortmund, a transfer that certainly wasn't about making the most money for the player and for Raiola. Mkhitaryan needed a ruthless cnut who wasn't afraid to deal with a billionaire criminal who basically owned him, Raiola was the perfect choice but he did what the player told him to do.
You've never seen him play? Did you not watch any of Dortmunds champions league games last year??
Nope!
Two more group games to go though, and Dortmund are by no means certain to qualify. He is back in training now, so unless any deal is already agreed, there is no chance that he will not feature in the competition before January.
He won't leave in the winter anyway? He would be mental, really. He's coming back from a tricky injury, it's far from certain that he won't have any further problems with his back during the next months, so it's way easier for him to get back to his best at Dortmund. It's a worldcup year, the competition in the German squad is really strong and going to another league in which it's far from certain that he'd be an instant success without any pre-season sounds already like a bad idea without his injury record. Dortmund also wouldn't sell without crazy money coming in, they need him for the rest of the season, especially now with Subotic out for the season and the need for Bender to fill in at centerback from time to time.
If he doesn't extend his contract which looks more and more likely, he's a brilliant target for the summer, him leaving in January would be a shocking move really, cup tied or not.
If he doesn't extend his contract which looks more and more likely, he's a brilliant target for the summer, him leaving in January would be a shocking move really, cup tied or not.
How much realistically would Dortmund demand for him? I would imagine they want truckloads for him considering they are letting Lewandoski on a free next summer
Can't believe how much time this thread spends near the top of the "most recently updated". It's not even the summer, but some people have to get their dose of muppet-torture!
Personally I'm going to wait until June to start getting excited about signing this guy, only to undergo theinevitable dissapointment when he signs for Bayern, before switching my attention to Cabaye.
Personally I'm going to wait until June to start getting excited about signing this guy, only to undergo theinevitable dissapointment when he signs for Bayern, before switching my attention to Cabaye.
We really could do with another CM, all our top top midfielders are constantly injured
. Though Pep loves fullbacks all of a sudden, we played with 5 of them at the end of the last game, centerback, CM, AM, winger, it seems they can play everywhere in his system. You can have Gündogan when we get Rafael, so that Lahm can continue to play in CM .We really could do with another CM, all our top top midfielders are constantly injured
Deal.
(We'll actually get Fabio to cut his hair and send him instead, seeing as Moyes seems to have no interest in him)
feck, didn't think about that
. Not sure what Pep would do with Fabio, probably play him as a left winger and Ribery as a right back or something like that.In theory he'd be a great addition for us. Just be careful following his injury. 2 words:
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Would he though? I'm not utterly convinced. I think he's heavily overrated. He passes the ball a lot and runs with the ball a fair bit. But his defensive work is pretty bad and therefore imo he'd be another Kagawa. A player that hasn't got the defensive qualities that we look for in a midfielder while hasn't got enough to dislodge Rooney from the hole. He'd be another player we'd struggle to fit in the side.
Gundogan goes through a lot of defensive work. He bring a high level of intensity, senses lose balls and rarely loses duels in midfield. He's more than good enough to start in our midfield 2.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30654692/cafsoccer/midfield_choices_12-13.jpg - That says differently. He does have the 4th best interception stat and 7th best tackle stat, but very poor at blocking shots and very poor at clearances. Gets dispossessed a lot and has the worst stat for letting people run past him. People make him out to be a world class player, that simply isn't true. He may well end up being one, but he isn't there yet.
If we could only get one him or Reus who would you guys chose? For me Reus all day!!!
Gundogan without a doubt. We're in need of a midfielder more so than a left winger.
True but I'd happly settle for a Gundogan alternative and get Reus rather than the other way round.
I'd rather settle for a Reus alternative personally.
Gundogan. He's tailor made for us. Hopefully if it comes to the time, Kloop doesn't point to Kagawa and use it against us.
Blocked shots and clearances to judge an offensive minded cm?
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