He really is not that good to make a statement we will never land him. His just what we need right now does not me other big clubs require what we do i.e. Barca and Madrid have no use for him now.
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He really is not that good to make a statement we will never land him. His just what we need right now does not me other big clubs require what we do i.e. Barca and Madrid have no use for him now.
Barca and Madrid don't buy players because they need it,they buy players for the sake of it.
Eto'o + a billion pounds for Ibrahimovic was clearly unnecessary, it was obviously a marquee signing to compete with the Madrid circus.
Signing Neymar over a much needed defender, etc.
They aren't as bad as Real but they do just sign players at times
Replacing Eto'o with Ibrahimovic isn't really an unnecessary signing. Same with selling Villa and signing Neymar. Maybe the transfers were financially questionable, but they weren't for the sake of it. They just replaced key players with new ones. Signing Fabregas is the one that probably falls under that description. But it happens from time to time, United stockpiling strikers and centerbacks while ignoring the CM isn't really any different to Barca stockpiling CMs and ignoring centerbacks.
They didn't 'replace' Eto'o with Ibra.
They wanted Ibra, Moratti didn't want to sell but Ibra wanted to go.
They in turn said we'll sell as long as we get more for him than AC got for Kaka so they killed 2 birds with one stone and added Eto'o to the deal to take the total fee to around £60m and get a replacement for Ibra.
Originally he wasn't part of the deal, and even when Ibra was being unveiled at the Nou Camp Eto'o was dragging his feet about signing the deal so they very much could have ended up with Eto'o and Ibra that season. Screams of signing for the sake of signing to me, with Inter giving them a way out.
Guardiola wanted to get rid of Eto'o from the start, the plan was always for him to leave in Guardiola's second season. That he became part of the deal made it easier for Barca, but like you explained it wasn't even possible for Barca to buy Ibrahimovic without selling Eto'o, so how could they have ended up with both? They needed to get Eto'o off the books and make a bit of cash to be able to afford Ibra.
Worst decision Guardiola made IMO, swapping Eto'o plus 50M for Ibra!
I never said he was that good but there's about 3 or 4 teams in Europe that would offer him more cash than we would when he moves on from Dortmund probably next summer such as PSG, Mardrid, Monaco and maybe Chelsea so I just see it one of those players that we would only get if a few other teams in Europe decided they didn't want first.
Didn't Mourinho said he was thrilled and he would actually have paid to get Eto'o over Ibra, which at the time I can understand as Eto'o at that time was brilliant.
He wanted rid but Eto'o had no impetus to go, could have and was willing to sit at the Nou Camp but Inter offered him a really good pay packet so he accepted (grudgingly). They could have signed Ibra and kept Eto'o the following summer they were ready to do the same with him and David Villa.
In terms of actually signing him and the money they could have afforded to. After signing Zlatan they went and spent €25m on Chygrynskiy (possibly the money that would have been the substitute for Eto'o).
Ibra told them the only club he would join was Real and they had a heart attack saying they couldn't possibly. He said he wanted to be a pain and stay there but valued his career too much.
To be fair so was Zlatan, had just won the top goal scorer in Italy and his 9 billionth consecutive title! Mourinho was a fan of his as far as I remember
Ibra certainly likes Mourinho.
No different to any other player mate... If we wanted Jay Rodriguez those clubs could all offer better wages. So are we going to sit around and make this arguement for every player? My point was there's nothing to suggest any of the clubs you mentioned are interested in him, just the fact we believe he is our saviour.
Compatible personalities and sense of humour.
He really is THAT good though, just like Carrick did back when we signed him, signing a player of Gundogan's level will take us a step up IMO.
as expected.
In default mode there clearly.
I think he's quality... If he can here could really see him taking his game to another level. I'm just saying would we want him if we had Modric? Verrati or Whilshere for instance? My arguement is this competition crap people are talking about. His not the Wayne Rooney or RVP of his specific position.
Don't agree about Neymar, last season they were too reliant on Messi and the other options in their front three (Villa, Sanchez & Pedro) were all under performing. The new coach has also tweaked the style but Neymar has been brilliant for them.
They did try hard to sign a CB, tried for Thiago Silva even rumours of tapping up but PSG weren't gonna let him go for any price. They probably should of known that though and looked elsewhere for more viable options. Might be the Neymar transfer ate into most of their budget.
I think sure if we had Modric / Verrati / Fabregas we would be happy with what we have, but that's irrelevant as we do not have the players.
Now if for instance Falcao came on the market, would we go for him? probably not, as we have RVP/Rooney already.
You don't always need the biggest star name, just somebody who will compliment the team perfectly well - that is what he could do.
Barca and Real always to for the best players. Nothing wrong with that.
Pathetic some try criticizing them for always wanting more and to be better.
Dream on with this signing anyways. We will fall short on bids and wages befor should even factor the lure playing with some of the talents at Real Nd barca right now.
Pathetic some try criticizing them for always wanting more and to be better.
Dream on with this signing anyways. We will fall short on bids and wages befor should even factor the lure playing with some of the talents at Real Nd barca right now.
Cheers for the daily reminder KingMinger22. Don't forget to come back in a week or two and make that point for the 5th time, cheers.
Arsenal are a top club, similarly to the way Liverpool and Inter are. Also the idea that they've only been good this season is bollocks, considering if you take their form from all of the calender year, they've had more points than anyone in the league by quite a distance.
Arsenal have a lot to prove but top players will consider them more now they can link up with Ozil
Since when is Ozil a bigger pull than RVP or Rooney?
Where exactly did he say that?
Anyway for a German footballer he's likely to be. It also depends on where both teams are at the end of season.
Footballers definitely do that don't they. Sit and analyse stats while deciding who to play for.
Still the player I want us to buy the most but he's gonna cost the kind of fee we seem to regard as too much.
They've 6 points more than their closest rivals in the calendar year, having played a game more. It's not "quite a distance", is it?
Nearly all of the top clubs in Europe will making offers for this guy once he becomes available. That means we'll first have to be willing to spend what will be a massive fee (something we're always very reluctant to do). We'd then have to convince him to turn down clubs who either offer more money, more glamour, a better lifestyle, a better team around him, a better manager or a better chance of winning the CL (or a combination of several of those factors). How likely is that? This has always been a problem for us when we go for top players (SAF missed out on targets regularly enough too), it's just going to be heightened at the moment as there are doubts over Moyes, the team and the future.
He isn't a player like Thiago either (who would have been pretty much guaranteed a bigger role here than he would have had at any other top club), Gundogan could force his way into any cm in Europe.
He isn't a player like Thiago either (who would have been pretty much guaranteed a bigger role here than he would have had at any other top club), Gundogan could force his way into any cm in Europe.
The loving for Gundagon is kinda of sickening! It would probably be just us and Arsenal and he'd end up leaving for around £22m. Good grief his not Zidane. I'll repeat he looks amazing to us because we don't have that sort of player. Frig sake Paul Pogba would be a cult hero signing for us right now.
This.
The guy is a top talented. Despite Woodward's rhetoric , we cannot compete for these type of players as has been evidenced time and time again. And that was with SAF in charge, and on the back of PL wins.
We can definitely offer a good enough fee/wages for a player with a year left on his deal if we feel he is the right player.
United can sign this guy, no doubt.
United can offer big money if need be, and they can offer a key role in a top side.
United can offer big money if need be, and they can offer a key role in a top side.
I'd say Neymar was needed, because who wants to rely on Pedro and Sanchez as wingers? Plus Villa was on his way out anyway. They do need a defender, but I can't see how they will get a truly world class talent like Silva when he is at PSG earning millions of euros. David Luiz would be a great signing for them, even if he isn't the best defensively, yet neither are Pique and Mascherano.
United, probably. Both players would get into our team, and many other good teams, fairly easily. Neymar was not 'needed' more than a good centre-half.
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