They are a top club, but if we had space for Ozil in the attacking midfield spot in our team, he would have chosen us. That's my opinion and an entirely different argument. However, if he was to leave, it doesn't mean he would go to a historically big club like us, Real or Barca. He could easily go to PSG, Chelsea or City.
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They are a top club, but if we had space for Ozil in the attacking midfield spot in our team, he would have chosen us. That's my opinion and an entirely different argument. However, if he was to leave, it doesn't mean he would go to a historically big club like us, Real or Barca. He could easily go to PSG, Chelsea or City.
Wasn't there a rumour that Ozil was holding out so late for the move hoping we'd come in for him? I remember the miniature meltdown when he signed for Arsenal, and a few ramblings about him wanting to join United.
You know what I mean. They aren't on the level of Real for example.
Ozil wanted to fulfil a life long dream of living in Manchester and playing under David Moyes in a transitional period for the club.
I don't even think Real are on the level they are perceived to be. Maybe Ozil realised that. They wear this mask that they are one of the great clubs of the world, but that doesn't reflect on the pitch, or at least it hasn't the past 10 years. Anyway that's a debate for another time, carry on...
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He wanted to go Arsenal and continue their successful run of winning trophies.
So you're saying Ozil didn't go to Utd cause you couldn't fit him into the team? Arsenal has way more attacking midfield options than you do.
We can all play this game.
I think it's plainly obvious that he didn't go to United because United weren't interested, at least not at that price.
If they had kept Kagawa, Lewandowski and Gotze then it'd be different. That's irrelevant though. The fact that they've lost their two stars to their rival says it all.
Na unlikely... where was they going to go? We already won the league twice. I don't agree.
I think we can make a better case for ourselves.
Star player of 11-12; Kagawa, leaves club. Star player of 12-13; Gotze, leaves club. Star player of 13-14; Gundogan/Reus - see a pattern emerging? Probably just false hope.
But they don't have Rooney or an emerging superstar that could perform the same role.
If you're thinking of attack mid, they have two more now that Ozil has joined. Before then it was Cazorla, Rosicky and Wilshere. We have Kagawa, Rooney and now adnan. We don't rely on number tens as much as they do and to be honest, Ozil really would be too much, not only money but balance too. Too much competition for a position that is rarely used properly.
Without comparing with Arsenal, I think it is fair enough to question our attractiveness particularly to foreign players.
We play in a sugar daddy league without a sugar daddy ourselves, which has cost us players to those teams in the past. In terms of "world-class" or very high profile players then we currently have two superstars, but one of those wants leave to join one of our title rivals, and the other has just passed 30. We haven't shown the ability to go out and sign in demand players over the last few years (RVP being the obvious exception; maybe Kagawa) which might impact the impression others have of the strength of our club.
Added to that we've appointed a manager with no profile in Europe as a manager or even as a player, so we'll have to play the waiting game whilst he builds that profile (which he should be able to do managing this club) before we can maybe start seeing foreign players being attracted to playing for Moyes.
The team as a whole now has questions that they need to answer post-Fergie, which I'm sure they will do, but if you're an in demand player then do you want to be a part of that? Evolving a better style of play that could excite players maybe would be something to work on, but that's easier said than done.
We're obviously not an unattractive option for players, but it's realistic to say we're not at our best right now.
We play in a sugar daddy league without a sugar daddy ourselves, which has cost us players to those teams in the past. In terms of "world-class" or very high profile players then we currently have two superstars, but one of those wants leave to join one of our title rivals, and the other has just passed 30. We haven't shown the ability to go out and sign in demand players over the last few years (RVP being the obvious exception; maybe Kagawa) which might impact the impression others have of the strength of our club.
Added to that we've appointed a manager with no profile in Europe as a manager or even as a player, so we'll have to play the waiting game whilst he builds that profile (which he should be able to do managing this club) before we can maybe start seeing foreign players being attracted to playing for Moyes.
The team as a whole now has questions that they need to answer post-Fergie, which I'm sure they will do, but if you're an in demand player then do you want to be a part of that? Evolving a better style of play that could excite players maybe would be something to work on, but that's easier said than done.
We're obviously not an unattractive option for players, but it's realistic to say we're not at our best right now.
They didn't lose them to any rival, they lost them to Bayern. Just like United lost to them when both were trying to sign Thiago, despite United probably offering more first team football. What do you think would happen if Real/Barca/Bayern showed serious interest in Rooney and his contract was about to expire or had a clause?
As if anyone outside of England dreams of living in London. Especially when you are coming from Madrid.
Bayern are an attractive destination for any player, even Barca's biggest young talent. Dortmund losing a couple of their best players to them doesn't prove anything.
Who is that in response to?
Replaced by Marco Reus, who turned into genuine world class and a lead player there.
Replaced by Henrikh Mkhitaryan, who has less potential and raw ability but is actually more compatible to Klopp´s system.
The former would be less of a blow than the others because his replacement is already there and has shown to be able to fill the void. The latter won´t leave in the summer.
It is all nice and well that people want to point out that Dortmund lost key player, but they often ignore the bigger picture. The often predicted downfall of the team never followed. On the contrary, the squad as a whole has actually grown stronger over the years. The current squad is the strongest Klopp ever had at his disposal and the best season start in the history of the club is proof for that.
Bayern has become more attractive because of the European cup. Look at Chelsea, won it and managed to convince one of the most wanted players of the transfer window in hazard to join despite a poor league showing
I was just kidding, mate. And as I said - it's just false hope.
I think the 7-0 aggregate win over Barca and acquisition of the manager who engineered arguably the greatest side of all time plays a part, too.
Well the barca game was in the European cup....
I know, but you get my point. I agree with you by the way, just that the massive aggregate win over Barca and hiring of the manager are added extras.
It is what you would call "wishful thinking" indeed
How are Bayern not their rivals? They're title rivals at the very least. Bayern, Real and Barca are more attractive than United right now. But they're also more attractive and bigger clubs than Dortmund, as are United, which was my point.
My point is that any club (outside of Barca/Real/Barca) would have a very hard time convincing his players to stay if Bayern showed serious interest, thus Dortmund losing players to them does not really prove anything.
Also Hummels stayed and extended his contract when Bayern showed interest and Reus chose Dortmund over Bayern. So far it's only Götze, who's a bit of a special case anyway, and very likely Lewandowski but a lot can happen until the summer, so let's not call that a done deal yet.
You're missing my point. "The fact that they've lost their two stars to their rival says it all" - what I find interesting is what does it say? They were, at one time, a better team than Bayern, so why is it more prestigious to play for what is considered a bigger club? Is it the infamous bandwagan that most footballers jump onto?
Was that Bild article about him moving to Barca by the end of this season actually true or not? Genuine question here.
Hummels? His father said there was no truth in those rumours. I think Barca already signed Hummels, Müller, Gündogan and Ter Stegen during this season, if we listen to the 'believable' looking rumours
. There's no way Dortmund will sell him in the summer and he has no release clause, so in my opinion he's definitely staying.I gave reasons as to why, so no it's not knee-jerk you bishop. Wading in like some forum pisshead down the boozer. Two words for you.....Mesut Ozil. And another two....Arsene Wenger. And another two....great football.
Arsenal in that bracket?
Casual misguided bollocks.
Neither are United, or Dortmund. Although Dortmund beat them in Europe last season, United didn't. Dortmund superior then? When did Real last reach a Champions League Final? A few years before Arsenal if I remember correctly.
What.
Erm...yes.
Thanks for your contribution.
You what? Have you been to either? Madrid is up there as one of the dullest European capitals. London is amazing in comparison.
What's Munich and Turin like? The only thing that has ever counted is the £€$¥. When it comes to top clubs like us Arsenal, Mardrid etc there's nothing in it. If you can agree the fee and offer the wages you will get the player. United's main problem has always mainly been the fee. If you look at when we are looking to spend big we usually get what we want.
We just don't have any chance of ever signing Gundogan but.......it's very possible that Moyes could land soem young player that can be the next Gundogan in a couple of years after we sign him such as a William Carvalho from Lisbon etc
I wouldn't be surprised, but I know Arsenal would not be top on his list.
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