We all watched the games. You're simply focusing on the end of the season where Young was in good form and Di Maria's confidence was shot, he started the season well.
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Young was class earlier on as well. Clearing off the line v Stoke or playing brilliantly at left back.
Di Maria put in awful performances.
Did Young just erase your memories from previous seasons with that stick shown in the movie Men in Black?
Clearing off the line is neither here nor there, right place right time, it doesn't mean he is a better winger than Di Maria.
Young barely had an assist to his name for most of the season then got a bunch in quick succession in the last 5-6 games. For most of the season there was no end product. Di Maria even in bad form created goals.
Evra had a second half a season which was easily as bad as DiMaria/Falcao when he first signed for United.
Never any doubt about his commitment, though.
Never any doubt about his commitment, though.
I don't see the point in discussing how bad each player was. Di Maria was awful at times last season and he can be brilliant in the future. What matters is whether he really wants it badly. If he does then all is good. If he doesn't then we need a replacement.
There was a midfielder of the year poll on the caf. The results are exaggerated no doubt but 122 votes for Young and 3 for Di Maria tells it's own story. Young was far better last season.
I honestly don't see the point in selling him so fast unless he really wants to leave. His class is obvious and even in a poor season he was one of our most productive players.
Even if we sell who will we get to replace him, ready made and world class? Can't think of anyone bar Reus who isn't leaving Dortmund.
Even if we sell who will we get to replace him, ready made and world class? Can't think of anyone bar Reus who isn't leaving Dortmund.
Half of Young's season output came in one game 1g/2a vs City. He has no end product. A few games late in the season where he played out his skin and still failed most of the time to put in decent deliveries for our attacking players. That Palace game for instance, he put in 2 crosses that led to a penalty, and a Fellaini header but there was at least 5 that either went out for a goal kick or into the crowd. Incredibly frustrating. No doubt he was better than di Maria in these games but his creativity wasn't exactly on another level.
As far as I remember he started awfully against Liverpool but by the end he was fine. And he only made 11 appearances anyway according to Wikipedia.
Good shout though
Nah, it wasn't that bad.
Who cares about assists though? Meaningless stat. Ashley Young could put a brilliant ball in that's knocked back across goal and then tapped in by Rooney and it doesn't count.Di Maria could mishiit a shot 20 yards wide and it deflects in. Assist.
Young played better.
The difference Evra improved with pretty much every game he played. Di Maria curve has gone downwards and quite alarmingly so. I'd say there's a greater chance he remains bad than that of him recovering his Madrid form.
I just said he played better. He was also useless for a whole 2 years before this season.
True. It could be argued that it evens out after a while but assists never tell the full story.
I don't get the whole Young was great last season, he's been nothing short of shite-to-average since signing and he finally has a consistent average season with 1 or 2 good performances thrown in and people talk about him like he's better than Di Maria.
Young and Valencia must be the only wingers in the league who can beat their man and still manage to lose possession, I lost count the amount of times Young managed to get into space behind the full-back after beating him with the same skill, just to whip in a ball and never find his target.
If we're seriously trying to get back to the top of Europe realistically a player as average as Young should not be anywhere near the starting XI, would he make the cut at Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Bayern, Juventus, Real, Barcelona, PSG? Not a hope.
Based on? He had a good copa america. Played about 150 minutes of football for us since march. Evra probably started every game on the run in that season whereas di Maria got 20 minutes here and there.
So Young creates chance after chance does he? No chance. I guess his goal against City was pure skill, not just luck of the bounce or anything. Wait, it wasn't di Maria who scored it.
Young isn't the benchmark in anyway. If that's how good Di Maria is going to be next season we need to sell him now.
Because he was great. He stepped up and made things happen when we needed it most while everyone else was garbage.
I lost count of the number of times Di Maria tried to beat his, ended up falling over or diving or his embarrassing attempts to score from just about anywhere or his shitty corners. Also, if you are going by stats alone Young's first season should qualify as quite good not average or shitty.
Young shouldn't be bracketed with Young. Young was fantastic. Valencia wasn't.
Couldn't care less about the Copa America. Di Maria peaked in his first 3 or 4 games for us. And there's a reason he couldn't get ahead of either Fellaini, Young or Mata. It's because he was shit when he did get a chance.
So true.
It was just as bad but with a reverse trajectory. Which is obviously a lot less worrying.
To be expected. If he played like shit I'm sure you would be quick enough to comment.
To be fair, Young was fantastic by Young standards. He wasn't fantastic by Manchester United standards, like Carrick and RVP in 2012, for example.
I don't think he was this bad except for a couple of moments, Di Maria towards the end of season was pure horror.
He's fast and a good dribbler. A lot of people in this thread are overrating those qualities and underrating how important it is that an attacker in a front three actually scores a good number of goals and doesn't continually stop attacks by losing the ball.
Not really. I don't care what any of our players do with their NT's or how they perform. The yardstick will always be how they've done for us.
Regardless, performances against the might of Jamaica and Paraguay probably wouldn't have excited me even if I had watched those games which I didn't. I watched the final where he didn't do much if anything.
I really don't have any agenda against Di Maria as you seem to imply (Not everyone is you eh). In fact most of my posts on this thread are very positive towards him. I also think he's our most creative player and would rather he stay than leave if it were up to me. But all in all he's been rather shite. The only reason I still wanted him to start was because he at least tried to create something unlike the rest (except Young).
Yes obviously, and vice versa. The same as someone can score a 40 yard screamer into the top corner or a ball deflects off their backside and they're both just one goal. They all count and the lucky ones and skillful ones balance out and the same applies to everyone so don't try and pretend all Di Maria's assists were luck and Young could just have easily had 13 to his name so it should be disregarded.
Young played very well last season but far too often his crosses go beyond everyone, Di Maria has better delivery.
I'd say there were as hit and miss as each other tbh.
People overreacting on Di Maria's end of season performances. He barely played ffs.
Did many people just forget how Young was almost out of the team last summer? Did you forget all those times when Young kept staring at his feet and then crossed only to find no one in the box..
Or are people just pulling in Young just for an argument sake.
Or are people just pulling in Young just for an argument sake.
We'd be absolutely mental to sell Di Maria, I don't know why any of you want him to leave. If it's to do with how much he cost then stop involving yourself in the clubs financial business, we could afford £60m for 1 player every single season if we wish. I couldn't give a shit HOW much we spend, it just depends on who... and Di Maria is a world class player.
He'll come good, and he will stay - unless he personally says he wants to leave. Van Gaal seems to honour what the player wants.
He'll come good, and he will stay - unless he personally says he wants to leave. Van Gaal seems to honour what the player wants.
2012 it was. I'm just thinking we can maybe do better if Adm leaves.
I'm probably completely wrong and he'll leave tomorrow but van Gaal's reaction didn't scream to me that he's off like some people are saying. Just as his reaction to the Sergio Romero links didn't convince me we're after him. I think his responses are just deliberately vague cause he doesn't want to give the media a stick to beat with him if something happens "you said you were chasing Romero but has he snubbed you in signing for Roma" etc.
Almost all transfer related questions he's defensive and protective, rightly so.
Almost all transfer related questions he's defensive and protective, rightly so.
The player himself said that he wasn't going to back out of a fight, and that he was used to difficult situations whilst specifying to incidences at Real Madrid. LvG stated that he'd be back on the 25th July, so I don't see the problem?
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think he's leaving and I believe that he's ready to fight it out with regards to getting back into the side and conquering the EPL. I think the incident with his daughter brings the best out of di Maria in the sense that he's not your averaging thinking footballer. I posted a range of quotes from him, and there was one alluding to how he said that he didn't care much about not being in the CL and that he wouldn't watch any matches as he'd rather spend time with his daughter. I think the fact that his daughter survived quite a big scare would influence his attitude with regards to the predicament he finds himself in. Rather than jumping at the chance of escaping from this situation, he'd prefer to battle it out and prove his worth.
That's my take.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think he's leaving and I believe that he's ready to fight it out with regards to getting back into the side and conquering the EPL. I think the incident with his daughter brings the best out of di Maria in the sense that he's not your averaging thinking footballer. I posted a range of quotes from him, and there was one alluding to how he said that he didn't care much about not being in the CL and that he wouldn't watch any matches as he'd rather spend time with his daughter. I think the fact that his daughter survived quite a big scare would influence his attitude with regards to the predicament he finds himself in. Rather than jumping at the chance of escaping from this situation, he'd prefer to battle it out and prove his worth.
That's my take.
Assuming he stays, is it reasonable to expect him to perform well on the right as an inside forward?
That's the only position I see him getting regular playing time in.
That's the only position I see him getting regular playing time in.
I hope he stays and fights. I have liked ADM for years now and was so so excited when he signed for us. I dont want to see him as a quitter.
Its a different matter if he has a fallout with LvG or if LvG thinks he cant find him a role in the team though.
Its a different matter if he has a fallout with LvG or if LvG thinks he cant find him a role in the team though.
Madness to sell Di Maria when he hasn't even had a proper full season. 90 percent of the top players in europe would have struggled to show their true quality in our team last season. We are only just finding our feet. Despite being far from his best only Cazorla and Fabregas had more assists than him last season.
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