Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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So he's pretty much coming, isn't he? Mourinho was ringing him all the time and when he knew Morata wanted to come, the club put in the bid. And since Morata wants to come, the fee won't be so high.
 
The guy has a hell of a lot of experience at a high level and winning trophies. His goals scored stats are moving healthly up for his age too. Lots of top strikers follow a similar trajectory.
 
Pass and Move said:
Not worth the prices quoted? That's the going rate now unfortunately. What makes you think after the stop-gap that the next bunch of available players will be worth it? Anyone coming along in a few years better than Morata or Lukaku will cost way more than the prices we're mentioning now.
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We don't know that the ridiculous inflation will continue for sure. If nobody buys these "good" players at best-in-world prices, then the prices will drop again.

It's not like Fergie days where we baulked at paying £30m for obvious talent like Hazard. This is £70m for a substitute who cost Juve (another big club) 20m Euros 3 years ago. He didn't set Serie A alight, and then he spent a year sitting on Madrid's bench...so how is he suddenly worth 4x the money?

Lukaku and Morata are flawed players not worth the asking price.
 
RedCurry said:
Because I have faith in our manager bringing the best out of any striker who plays for us next season. Morata is as average as they come and we'll be looking for an upgrade sooner or later. Makes no sense spending a big sum of money for a stop gap player.
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Like a religious nutter. I have faith. Will not do anything but I have faith and everything will be alright. I will pray.
 
RedCurry said:
I've already explained. But I'll do it one more time. Morata, in my opinion, is average and will only be a stop gap solution and wouldn't get us any more goals than Vardy would. In fact, Vardy has shown a lot more than Morata has ever done. I also believe that Jose is a winner and if we create as many chances as some games last season, our central striker is bound to score 20+ goals whether it's Morata or any above average CF.

Before we even go into the second and third tier strikers, I did mention all those other players that almost no one seemed to have read. In my opinion Lacazette is gettable and a far superior player. I was not suggesting that we get Shane fecking Long, that was my way of saying how much I don't rate Morata.
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You can underrate and you can criminally underrate the player. You went with second route. But, your opinion.

Btw. many seem to praise Mourinho when we talking about finding a defender but IMO he is even better in finding a lead striker. Aside Rooney chase, he bought Drogba, Milito, Costa, also brought Ibrahimovic on a free. He knows what he wants from a striker and who can deliver that to him. There is a reason why he rates Morata so much.
 
red_devil83 said:
We don't know that the ridiculous inflation will continue for sure. If nobody buys these "good" players at best-in-world prices, then the prices will drop again.

It's not like Fergie days where we baulked at paying £30m for obvious talent like Hazard. This is £70m for a substitute who cost Juve (another big club) 20m Euros 3 years ago. He didn't set Serie A alight, and then he spent a year sitting on Madrid's bench...so how is he suddenly worth 4x the money?

Lukaku and Morata are flawed players not worth the asking price.
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Hes somebody that will pretty much occupy the defence and not drop deep and more importantly be on the end of our chances and more often than not score.
If we take out his Juve stints (which were decent) his Madrid numbers even though being on the bench was more impressive. Its like one goal every two games. And I have a feeling he can get better.

The one thing people need to remember is hes only 24 so if we do get him, you would think we could get a good six years out of him (or maybe less but then make some back on him)

If Jose wants him, id be backing him to do well with our style next season.
 
Harry190 said:
Those numbers do not make sense. There is no bargaining position for a player who does not play, does not score much and is very much a squad option. Sounds all made up like the usual Spanish stuff.
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This season he made 43 appearances (although few relative minutes) scoring 20 goals. If Madrid sell him they are in the position we are in now, requiring a striker to replace those goals and maintain their Champions league winning level., who do they get and what use is the cash to them?
 
Jim Beam said:
You can underrate and you can criminally underrate the player. You went with second route. But, your opinion.

Btw. many seem to praise Mourinho when we talking about finding a defender but IMO he is even better in finding a lead striker. Aside Rooney chase, he bought Drogba, Milito, Costa, also brought Ibrahimovic on a free. He knows what he wants from a striker and who can deliver that to him. There is a reason why he rates Morata so much.
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Too right, there is also reason Real exercised the buyback on Morata, because they knew his time in Juventus was a success and they could reap the financial benefits. Personally, I'm coming around to liking Morata. Certainly not at the prices bandied about, and certainly not if there's a chance we could get Sanchez. But as Beam said, I think your criticism might be a bit too extreme.
 
If Jose wants him, and has actually made him 1st choice, that'd certainly be good enough for me to buy into it!
 
Leftback99 said:
If Madrid sell him they are in the position we are in now, requiring a striker to replace those goals and maintain their Champions league winning level., who do they get and what use is the cash to them?
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Is this rhetorical? I thought they're about to drop 135 million euros on Mbappe. Or maybe something changed, long day in the office.
 
Moonred said:
Like a religious nutter. I have faith. Will not do anything but I have faith and everything will be alright. I will pray.
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Jim Beam said:
You can underrate and you can criminally underrate the player. You went with second route. But, your opinion.

Btw. many seem to praise Mourinho when we talking about finding a defender but IMO he is even better in finding a lead striker. Aside Rooney chase, he bought Drogba, Milito, Costa, also brought Ibrahimovic on a free. He knows what he wants from a striker and who can deliver that to him. There is a reason why he rates Morata so much.
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Is also what I said in one of my posts:

RedCurry said:
The only thing that goes in his favor is that Mourinho wants him and he clearly knows a lot more about football than I do so there must be something, I guess. But I don't see anything special about him anytime I watch him.
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Looks like this is happening.
Hope he's not the only attacker coming.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
I agree. Put it this way, if he's good enough for Juve and good enough so that Real buy him back and Jose wants him then he's most likely good enough.
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Yep. Let's hold off the excitement though, as we all know Real Madrid won't let us get away with a sensible fee.
Sounds to be progressing ok though.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
I agree. Put it this way, if he's good enough for Juve and good enough so that Real buy him back and Jose wants him then he's most likely good enough.
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Jose knows him more than anyone anyway, as he was the one who gave him his debut at Madrid, so if he wants him, he knows what to predict from him.
 
Moonred said:
Well done. The stance changed quite a bit as well from calling him bang average or something to not anything special. Cut the over dramatic hyperbole and it will make for a better discussion.
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My stance hasn't changed on him and it won't change as long as he does something to be worth the hype and price tag. If next season he goes on and score 25-30 goals, fair enough I will accept that I was wrong. But for now he remains a completely average player in my view.
 
The price is crazy if true. He is a 30-40m player at best. I like him, but he never stood out because he is a goalgetter, more of good allrounder, technical ability, hold up play. He had a good scoring record this year with 15 goals in not so many games, but that was for a team who scored over 100 goals in the league alone. He wasn't anywhere as clinical at Juve, who are dominating Serie A and now imagine him playing for us, who don't dominate anything and were outscored by some midtable teams. For that price I would rather take one who can score for fun and we still need another attacking player imo. Zlatan last year wasn't enough and he is 2 levels above Morata.
 
Also worth noting that when Fernando Torres came from Spain to Liverpool his goal scoring went from 20 in 49, 13 in 40 and 15 in 40 to 33 in 46, 17 in 38 and 22 in 32 (comparing 3 seasons each). I remember thinking he'd struggle in England to thinking he's one of the best in the World. That's Torres at a rate of 48 in 129 vs. Morata last three seasons of 47 in 136 all whilst being played on the left wing and off the bench at Juve to being on the bench often at Real.

He's not inept in front of goal and has other qualities.
 
This thread has been tough to read with the insane posts that go beyond underrating Morata. It's as if some posters have an agenda here for some unknown reason. Morata is a very good player with the potential to be a great player. He's only 24, and this past season has indicated that he's ready to take the next big step (becoming a 25-30 goals per season striker as a starter). He's a very complete player who is technically very good, can dribble, has deceptive pace, strength, hold up play, with good work rate and he's decent in the air. He also has the versatility to play out on the wing if we need him to (playing on the wing has actually affected Morata's goalscoring numbers at Juventus). That checks a lot of boxes for the type of forward that Mourinho looks for.
 
RedCurry said:
My stance hasn't changed on him and it won't change as long as he does something to be worth the hype and price tag. If next season he goes on and score 25-30 goals, fair enough I will accept that I was wrong. But for now he remains a completely average player in my view.
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You tell'em!
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Right, gone to watch a YouTube compilation and make my mind up about him.
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Did that a few days ago watched numerous videos and he's a decent player but if he's all were getting then Zlatan better be staying because he's not good enough to lead the line on his own.
 
One thing that's important, I feel, leaving aside the price and his actual quality as a player, is that he has experience of the pressure of playing for top tier clubs. In my opinion that counts for a lot. It's not like buying someone from Southampton, Spurs or Everton.
 
I think if United can sign Morata and van Dijk, and hang on to DDG, that would be a big step towards hopefully challenging for the Title again next season.
 
CM10 said:
We won't be getting any better in this window.
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Sounds like Aubameyang is off to PSG for €70m. I would include him in the top tier and it's very strange that there seems to be no links between him and Utd
 
DarkXaero said:
This thread has been tough to read with the insane posts that go beyond underrating Morata. It's as if some posters have an agenda here for some unknown reason. Morata is a very good player with the potential to be a great player. He's only 24, and this past season has indicated that he's ready to take the next big step (becoming a 25-30 goals per season striker as a starter). He's a very complete player who is technically very good, can dribble, has deceptive pace, strength, hold up play, with good work rate and he's decent in the air. He also has the versatility to play out on the wing if we need him to (playing on the wing has actually affected Morata's goalscoring numbers at Juventus). That checks a lot of boxes for the type of forward that Mourinho looks for.
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I think it's because the likes of Morata, Belotti, Aubamenyeng, Mbappe and whatever other foreign based striker haven't proved themselves yet in the Premier League. It's bloody hard to speculate if any can, the all have question marks surrounding them. But I agree, because of that uncertainty the balance gets lost and people will massively underrate or overrate them. Dodgy situation United find ourselves in, needing to go into a market with no sure thing available at striker.
 
Mourinho has personally coached Morata and believes the player can help Manchester United reach the ambitions that he has as multi-time Champions League winner.

This isn't the case of a manager guessing potential from a distance. Mourinho knows Morata from the training pitch. I trust this purchase if it is indeed an item on Woody's shopping list.

My question isn't about whether he's good enough. It's only about whether he's a target.
 
Loved him just before his move to juventus. And he played well at juventus. Really thought he could be striker back then. But I havent payed attention since. How has he been
 
RedCurry said:
My stance hasn't changed on him and it won't change as long as he does something to be worth the hype and price tag. If next season he goes on and score 25-30 goals, fair enough I will accept that I was wrong. But for now he remains a completely average player in my view.
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There is no hype. It gets overstated needlessly. He is a good player with all round attributes that Mourinho might be looking for. His goal scoring record especially before last season is questionable and has been debated numerous times here. But that doesn't make him a ' completely average' player. The price quoted by Madrid if true is much more than what he is worth but there isn't one single factor that decides these things. If you read through the thread, generally people agree on these points and at the same time see quality in the player itself.
 
Moonred said:
There is no hype. It gets overstated needlessly. He is a good player with all round attributes that Mourinho might be looking for. His goal scoring record especially before last season is questionable and has been debated numerous times here. But that doesn't make him a ' completely average' player. The price quoted by Madrid if true is much more than what he is worth but there isn't one single factor that decides these things. If you read through the thread, generally people agree on these points and at the same time see quality in the player itself.
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Fair opinion I think.

But if you were to choose between him and say, Lacazette or Lukaku, who would you have picked?
 
Dante said:
He'd be even more brilliant under a world class manager who's personally identified him as the keystone of his system.
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Yes but still not good enough to be the key figure leading the line at Manchester this season and certainly not worth what we'll be about to pay for him.
 
0161_UNITED said:
I think it's because the likes of Morata, Belotti, Aubamenyeng, Mbappe and whatever other foreign based striker haven't proved themselves yet in the Premier League. It's bloody hard to speculate if any can, the all have question marks surrounding them. But I agree, because of that uncertainty the balance gets lost and people will massively underrate or overrate them. Dodgy situation United find ourselves in, needing to go into a market with no sure thing available at striker.
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Yea but many of these same people thought that Zlatan wouldn't be able to score many goals here at age of 35. If it wasn't for his season ending injury, Zlatan would have scored 20 PL goals this season (with 30+ in all competitions). I think people greatly overestimate the Premier League. Not long ago, Vardy was setting a goalscoring record previously held by RVN in the PL. Lukaku despite not being very good technically managed to score 25 goals in the PL this season. Even 34 year old Jermain Defoe has managed to be a decent striker in the PL these past few years.

Morata has never been an average player. Not even when his goalscoring numbers weren't good. He has spent his entire career at two of the biggest clubs, Real Madrid and Juventus. He knows the mindset required for a big club and that itself is a huge plus, compared to the likes of Lukaku & Belotti. He's also technically much better than either of those players. Real Madrid could have started Morata in place of Benzema all season long and they still would have won La Liga & CL.
 
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