Its just a predictably myopic and intellectually disingenuous line of thought. "If player X wasn't a star at club Y then why would we buy him" ? Thank heavens managers look into these matters with a bit more nuance than that.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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Its just a predictably myopic and intellectually disingenuous line of thought. "If player X wasn't a star at club Y then why would we buy him" ? Thank heavens managers look into these matters with a bit more nuance than that.
You said based on last season his end product was comparable to Rashford's which is false.
Rashford and Januzaj are completely different personalities. Don't see any point in comparing them. It's not like Januzaj lacks talent but he lacks professionalism, which I don't think is true for Rashford.
Morata had significantly better year off the bench playing with the best talents in the world in a dominant team, Rashford was playing in a team in transition with Fellaini as CM and Darmian overlapping, you can't compare them.
I said his end product in his last year at Juve was comparable to the end product of Rashford last season. Reading through it again it wasn't as clear as I wanted to tho
Got it.
Well you did say you can't cap potential at 19. I then gave you a case where potential was capped at 19. You can't have it both ways then claim one has a different personality.
Rashford is a very good young player but his potential isn't being done any favors by you attempting to compare him to much better players. Let him develop slowly over time and let's see how he fares.
I am surprised many of you see Morata as a bad deal, even below Rashford's potential. He played for the best and for a top 5 club in the last four years as a non-regular, while United have been barely top 20 in the same period and relying upon spent legs or unproven kids.
Neil Custis writes that there's been significant progress over the weekend and that United are aiming to announce Morata on Thursday... Lets see if he's right.
Custis also says that, following an intervention from Morata himself, Madrid have relented on their £80m demands and the final price will be closer to £60m.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ak-up-sun-on-holiday-with-beautiful-new-wife/
Custis also says that, following an intervention from Morata himself, Madrid have relented on their £80m demands and the final price will be closer to £60m.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ak-up-sun-on-holiday-with-beautiful-new-wife/
You can do it at 24 as well and even more easily. It's no guarantee that Morata would build on last season at Real considering 2-3 years before he was putting up single digits for a whole season. You have to take all in consideration and we're talking about Marcus potential here not someone else.
Morata hasn't led the line at any of those top teams he has been playing so far. He would be expected to do that, especially considering his price tag. He'll have more pressure compared to Rashford next year to say at least. As I've said he's a good option for us and probably one of the best on the market, but expecting him to come here and start hitting 20-30 goals next season is far from realistic to me.
One of my mates said he'll be our Giroud. Will get a half decent record, do okay for the most part but never take us to the top level. Can certainly see how he came up with such an assessment, but hope it doesn't become the case.
Well you better tell that to Mourinho since he has already decided he is going to buy him and have him lead the line next year.
As for Rashford, we've already shown that there are no guarantees from 19 to 22, as demonstrated by Januzaj. For all we know, Rashford may be plying his trade at West Brom by the time he's Morata's age. I hope that's not the case but there are no guarantees.
Or Morata can be our Falcao and play alongside Oscar next year in China. Nothing is guaranteed of course.
I have no problems with him leading the line as I've said.
Not a chance. He will be great and people will look back at threads like this a year or two from now and chuckle.
Personally I don't care about the transfer fee, if the manager wants him then whatever the club needs to pay to secure him is fine by me.
BUT if the fee gets to a super ridiculous level then the lad will be under even greater pressure and the media will beat him the death with the fee at every opportunity.
Even Pogba found it dificult to cope with the fee last season and his personality and belief are sky high.
BUT if the fee gets to a super ridiculous level then the lad will be under even greater pressure and the media will beat him the death with the fee at every opportunity.
Even Pogba found it dificult to cope with the fee last season and his personality and belief are sky high.
Custis is well connected at United. Let's see.
Who is waiting for a Morata v Lacazette thread?
No he isn't. Don't talk rubbish.
Yeah he does.
Morata should be fine, and some of his seemingly perpetually recycled production/skillset related 'arguments' (that have resurfaced in recent pages) are definitely blown out of proportion. He's scored goals at almost every level - U19 EURO Top scorer and winner, U21 EURO Top scorer and winner, 8 goals in La Liga through ~600 minutes for Madrid at age 20 in 2013. Expecting him to break the Benzema/Higuaín stranglehold was unrealistic, then he moved to Juventus and Mandžukić was preferred for what he brought to the table from a tactical and ultra-high workrate related perspective (mind, people crap on him and he was the spearhead for all-conquering Bayern under Heynckes), then Morata moved back to Madrid and scored at a very healthy rate, 8 goals in his last 14 games for Spain - and entering the nominal prime for most strikers. We have Madrid supporters backing the view than he should have been the first team striker given his performances last season, and he's a premium target for Mourinho who's signed some really good strikers over the years - ranging from Drogba to Milito to Costa, yet he's derided with the backup signing for £80 million! brouhaha because Zidane is a big political ally of Benzema. Yes, Morata's definitely not the finished product in terms of being a 30+ goals scorers, but if he moves to United, he'll finally get the week-in and week-out starting minutes almost any aspiring top striker needs to fine-tune his game, and grow in terms of stature - something he didn't have at either Madrid or Juventus.
He really doesn't. Both Custis are third rate Sun journalists who have very little access to the club and have zero respect amongst officials.
Custis might work for the sun and I don't particularly like him, but he has good contacts at United and has for ages. Which was pointed out on another forum (Red Issue). Again, I don't like Red Issue as a forum. 90% of their posters are cocks but it was explained in one of their threads that he has contacts at the club.
This is where Pexbo says "OH no he doesn't!" and the kids all howl with glee.
Finally a sensible post. It's rare these days.
I think arsenal's lacazette buy will trigger lots of big holded up deals.
Forgot the smiley's, just kidding.
I agree though a good post, he is only 24,seems motivated and wants to be the main man.
Jose knows him, gave him his big break, and can obviously see his potential.
I think he will thrive with us and prove all the doubters wrong.
I am sure we will sign him, gut feeling.
Custis is the ITK of all things United and Di Marzio isn't .
.I think he will be a fabulous signing. He is just 24 and has played with 2 big teams scoring against world class defenders and keepers in 2 of the best leagues while not getting consistent football.
Imagine playing consistently first team and improving under mourinho. By 26 he will be one of the best strikers in the premier league. I truley believe that.
Imagine playing consistently first team and improving under mourinho. By 26 he will be one of the best strikers in the premier league. I truley believe that.
Agreed. He is enter his prime career years so if this happens we are buying him a precisely the right time. His valuation could soar to astronomical levels if he has a big year next year.
203 pages. Morata better perform this season.
I wish.Really? does it lead to Goodison........?
I thought it was only a low-key wedding?
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3 weeks ago this was 3 days away.
This has felt like a long few days. Time is fascinating.
This has felt like a long few days. Time is fascinating.
if the recent reporting is correct, Looks like morata thought he could just let the clubs deal with it and not get drawn in with a transfer request. The meeting with the agent and dad seems to have changed things.
Morata would be a very good edition to this team, and looks like Jose has plans for him. The fact that he could have stayed at Madrid (they don't want to let him go), but he wants to be a starter suggests that he has the right mentality, unlike say, ADM. I don't think he will be a prolific goal scorer, but he will bring players around him to be more effective. Would be very happy if he replicated Zlatans numbers last season. But the problem is that, at best, he would be a like to like replacement for Zlatan. We still need another winger who can contribute with goals, or the whole team has to drastically step up from last season in terms of goals. I expect more from Mikhi, Pogba and Martial.
Why would you think that? He's actually got a very good scoring record and is a big-game player. Also, he's nothing like Zlatan - he's much faster and does indeed get a lot of players into the game with hold-up play. He's capable of being very direct and is tall as well (not as tall as Zlatan but can't have everything). He's not got that insane almost-gymnast-like flexibility of Zlatan, but has the potential to score a lot more. Zlatan scored a bunch but also missed loads of chances last season. Morata has excellent stats for hitting the target and converting chances. So no, I don't think he's anything like Zlatan.
As for needing a winger and other players stepping up, that's taken for granted. Clearly a lot more goals will be expected from the likes of Rashford, Mkhi, Pogba, Martial or whoever else is added to the forward lines.
The underrating of this lad in this thread is ridiculous. Those posters who are doing this aren't using his performances as a basis for their criticisms, it's his place behind Benzema - despite there being a strong fan base at Madrid who thinks he should be starting ahead of the French man. It's endemic of so many posters here.
yep, when they can't argue on statistical analysis, it always goes back to emotional arguments and "feeling embarrassed" in signing a bench player.
Can vouch for that.
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