Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

[Dave46]

I will like us to get Aubameyang(with Morata) and play him as the right forward. Just like Cavani under blanc, Anelka under Ancelotti and Eto'o under under Mourinho, he will have the freedom to join Morata in the bus when we have the ball; Valencia will provide width while Perisic hugs the left wing. With two proven goal scorers, perisic and pogba providing the ammunition, we will score a lot of goals. Its a pity we are not being linked to Auba.

Auba is not good as a wing guy. CF or bust.
In 13/14 season, Hofmann got picked ahead of Auba for RW.

 

[fellaini's barber]

Keep the Rashford overrating to the 5 other threads about him ffs. On topic are we even close to signing anyone? This is beginning to feel like the most boring transfer window ever

 

[Brightonian]

Keep the Rashford overrating to the 5 other threads about him ffs. On topic are we even close to signing anyone? This is beginning to feel like the most boring transfer window ever

It's a Manchester United fan forum. If you don't like hearing that people are keen on our exciting young striker - in a thread about whether or not we should/are going to sign a different striker - then you're going to struggle.

 

[Jim Beam]

£70m for Real's 3rd striker is way more than overpaying mate, but if Jose thinks he's worth it then so be it. Juve seemed more than happy to let him leave last season. Silly fees going around now so who knows what is value for money or not.

They had an open-top bus parade the day he left.

Seriously, they really wanted to keep him. Even started negotiations with Real about it.

 

[AdNani]

I'll hope Morata adds to our overall game. Him becoming a goalscoring machine may not happen right away.

He's certainly a lot more mobile and explosive than Zlatan, which will add a different dimension

 

[Enigma_87]

And what? We're talking who is a better player now aren't we?

Rashford might very well reach his level next year, the lad is 20 and shown more promise at this point compared to Morata. This is what I meant. Morata at the moment is the better player and considering the alternatives would welcome him here, but I think some have really been downplaying Rashford in this thread.

 

[Android1974]

£70m for Real's 3rd striker is way more than overpaying mate, but if Jose thinks he's worth it then so be it. Juve seemed more than happy to let him leave last season. Silly fees going around now so who knows what is value for money or not.

Who's Real's 2nd striker?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Who's Real's 2nd striker?

I would guess he considers Ronaldo a striker now too.

Otherwise, he's had a mare imo.

 

[Paxi]

Rashford might very well reach his level next year, the lad is 20 and shown more promise at this point compared to Morata. This is what I meant. Morata at the moment is the better player and considering the alternatives would welcome him here, but I think some have really been downplaying Rashford in this thread.

I'm not downplaying Rashfords potential at all - rate his potential highly- but we should just stay grounded at this point. Rashford has a long long way to go yet imo.

With Morata we will be getting a player who always did very well for 2 top clubs in Europe. In knockout stages no less. At their stages of development and careers there is no comparison between the two at this moment and time. Hence Jose wanting to sign Morata and not go with Rashfrord as a number 9 next season.

 

[Android1974]

I would guess he considers Ronaldo a striker now too.

Otherwise, he's had a mare imo.

Ronaldo and Benzema are both starters. No one considers a player a 3rd if he's the 1st sub, that's dumb.

 

[fellaini's barber]

It's a Manchester United fan forum. If you don't like hearing that people are keen on our exciting young striker - in a thread about whether or not we should/are going to sign a different striker - then you're going to struggle.

I've read enough nonesense about Rashford in the other threads about how he's as good as Henry, Aguero, Kane, should cost as much as Mbappe etc now I come in here to find out how we're doing with signing Morata only to read more rubbish about how he's better or as good as him. I know ridiculous overrating of young players is a thing with our fans but I'd rather not see it in every other thread.

 

[Android1974]

I'm not downplaying Rashfords potential at all - rate his potential highly- but we should just stay grounded at this point. Rashford has a long long way to go yet imo.

With Morata we will be getting a player who always did very well for 2 top clubs in Europe. In knockout stages no less. At their stages of development and careers there is no comparison between the two at this moment and time. Hence Jose wanting to sign Morata and not go with Rashfrord as a number 9 next season.

We'll see if Mourinho trusts Rashford (and Martial) or not by the amount and type of strikers he's buying this summer. Two young promising strikers (Morata and Belotti, for instance), then, definitely not.

 

[KingMinger22]

I bet he'll come in and look real quality. Simply because of the circumstances contrast with what we currently have in attack... that is, not exactly top players.

 

[Moonred]

He's certainly a lot more mobile and explosive than Zlatan, which will add a different dimension

That's fine but if we do sign Morata, the burden of scoring goals should not only be on him. I don't think Morata is a striker who can singlehandedly score bucketloads. He might be in a year or so. The team really needs to step up and spread the goals.

 

[Paxi]

We'll see if Mourinho trusts Rashford (and Martial) or not by the amount and type of strikers he's buying this summer. Two young promising strikers (Morata and Belotti, for instance), then, definitely not.

That's the thing though, if Jose thought Rashfords development as far along as some suggesting then I don't see why we would need Morata or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Android1974]

That's the thing though, if Jose thought Rashfords development as far along as some suggesting then I don't see why we would need Morata or anyone else for that matter.

Really, to trust one young striker (who can't even play with his back against the goal, by the way) is not to have any option even on the bench for him? Wow, that would be just dumb, considering injuries, sanctions, etc. We just lost Zlatan, maybe Rooney, and Martial still hasn't proved he could be a secure option upfront. Besides, there are games we will need two strikers at the same time on the field.

 

[Enigma_87]

I'm not downplaying Rashfords potential at all - rate his potential highly- but we should just stay grounded at this point. Rashford has a long long way to go yet imo.

With Morata we will be getting a player who always did very well for 2 top clubs in Europe. In knockout stages no less. At their stages of development and careers there is no comparison between the two at this moment and time. Hence Jose wanting to sign Morata and not go with Rashfrord as a number 9 next season.

People must be patient with Morata too. Even though he's 24 he so far hasn't been undisputed starter for a top team. In his first season at Juve he played 9 full games and 5 in his second.

He took part in around 90 games for Juve for 2 seasons but averaged 50 mins game time.

My point is - he's also young and has not led the line as some are making it out to be. Rashford himself has featured in a more prominent role (albeit for an inferior side compared to Real) whilst being 5 years younger.

I see Morata is hyped up a lot and hope he lives to the hype but if we're staying grounded at this point he's far from the established striker per comments above.

 

[We need an rvn]

Who's Real's 2nd striker?

Benzema...

 

[We need an rvn]

I would guess he considers Ronaldo a striker now too.

Otherwise, he's had a mare imo.

Correct. But thought most would put Ronaldo as their no. 1 striker these days No?

 

[AndyJ1985]

People must be patient with Morata too. Even though he's 24 he so far hasn't been undisputed starter for a top team. In his first season at Juve he played 9 full games and 5 in his second.

He took part in around 90 games for Juve for 2 seasons but averaged 50 mins game time.

My point is - he's also young and has not led the line as some are making it out to be. Rashford himself has featured in a more prominent role (albeit for an inferior side compared to Real) whilst being 5 years younger.

I see Morata is hyped up a lot and hope he lives to the hype but if we're staying grounded at this point he's far from the established striker per comments above.

Morata isn't really hyped up at all. No one is calling him world class or anything. He's just a very good player. Certainly a far better all round player than Rashford as it stands.

 

[Enigma_87]

Morata isn't really hyped up at all. No one is calling him world class or anything. He's just a very good player. Certainly a far better all round player than Rashford as it stands.

I don't think the gap is as big as you are making it out tbh. Put Rashford in Real's side or that Juve side with that creative force behind him and he'll put as good numbers as Morata did.

I agree that Morata currently is the better forward, due to being more experienced but it's not the "far better all round player"..

 

[AndyJ1985]

I don't think the gap is as big as you are making it out tbh. Put Rashford in Real's side or that Juve side with that creative force behind him and he'll put as good numbers as Morata did.

I agree that Morata currently is the better forward, due to being more experienced but it's not the "far better all round player"..

People are just getting giddy about Rashford because he's an academy player and he likes to run at defenders, something our team has lacked for ages. But when you actually watch him his dribbling is poor and his end product is lacking. He's incredibly limited and very raw right now. No where near being a young Ronaldo or Rooney, so I feel the overhyping of him is far too premature. If he were at Real Madrid he wouldn't be a backup; he'd be in their B team and either sold or loaned out. Morata has much more to his game and that's why we're going to be spending ~£70m on him.

 

[Giant Midget]

People are just getting giddy about Rashford because he's an academy player and he likes to run at defenders, something our team has lacked for ages. But when you actually watch him his dribbling is poor and his end product is lacking. He's incredibly limited and very raw right now. No where near being a young Ronaldo or Rooney, so I feel the overhyping of him is far too premature. If he were at Real Madrid he wouldn't be a backup; he'd be in their B team and either sold or loaned out. Morata has much more to his game and that's why we're going to be spending ~£70m on him.

This.

 

[Enigma_87]

People are just getting giddy about Rashford because he's an academy player and he likes to run at defenders, something our team has lacked for ages. But when you actually watch him his dribbling is poor and his end product is lacking. He's incredibly limited and very raw right now. No where near being a young Ronaldo or Rooney, so I feel the overhyping of him is far too premature. If he were at Real Madrid he wouldn't be a backup; he'd be in their B team and either sold or loaned out. Morata has much more to his game and that's why we're going to be spending ~£70m on him.

Well Morata is no young Ronaldo or Rooney either. At 20-21 he was in Real Madrid B and was loaned out. Morata has had 5 season where he was a first teamer so far but was never an undisputed starter at Real or Juve.

When you look at Rashford he has to create something out of nothing most of the time due to our lack of creativity up front. If you put him in Real's team you have more creativity, more space for him (when you have Ronaldo, Bale, James occupying defenders) and more balls to him to boost his confidence.

Rashford this season has put numbers (11 goals, 6 assists in all comps) similar to what Morata was putting at Juve last year, albeit being much younger. Yet you are talking as if there is a gulf of quality between them - something I don't agree with. Morata is the more experienced, the more polished and the better player currently, but come next season if he comes here in a new league and one year older (more confident) Rashford will probably close the gap even more.

 

[Raoul]

I don't think the gap is as big as you are making it out tbh. Put Rashford in Real's side or that Juve side with that creative force behind him and he'll put as good numbers as Morata did.

I agree that Morata currently is the better forward, due to being more experienced but it's not the "far better all round player"..

There is a significant gap between Rashford and Morata. Nothing wrong with that as Marcus is only 19 and Morata is 24.

 

[Raoul]

Well Morata is no young Ronaldo or Rooney either. At 20-21 he was in Real Madrid B and was loaned out. Morata has had 5 season where he was a first teamer so far but was never an undisputed starter at Real or Juve.

When you look at Rashford he has to create something out of nothing most of the time due to our lack of creativity up front. If you put him in Real's team you have more creativity, more space for him (when you have Ronaldo, Bale, James occupying defenders) and more balls to him to boost his confidence.

Rashford this season has put numbers (11 goals, 6 assists in all comps) similar to what Morata was putting at Juve last year, albeit being much younger. Yet you are talking as if there is a gulf of quality between them - something I don't agree with. Morata is the more experienced, the more polished and the better player currently, but come next season if he comes here in a new league and one year older (more confident) Rashford will probably close the gap even more.

Possibly for the reasons you stated. He played for two of the best clubs in the world as a 19-24 year old with players like Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema, Tevez, and Llorente ahead of him. You can't expect a vast majority of young players to see much starting XI time with those players ahead of them.

 

[podurban2]

£70m for Real's 3rd striker is way more than overpaying mate, but if Jose thinks he's worth it then so be it. Juve seemed more than happy to let him leave last season. Silly fees going around now so who knows what is value for money or not.

What are you on about? Real used their buy back option which was very unfortunate for Juventus. Ask any Juve fan on here, they were not "more than happy" when he left.

 

[Enigma_87]

Possibly for the reasons you stated. He played for two of the best clubs in the world as a 19-24 year old with players like Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema, Tevez, and Llorente ahead of him. You can't expect a vast majority of young players to see much starting XI time with those players ahead of them.

Come on mate. Jese played nearly 100 times for Real in three seasons 14-16. Currently he's finding it hard to crack it at Las Palmas.

Players like Pjaca, Matri, Zaza have featured prominently for Juve in the last couple of years..

 

[Raoul]

Come on mate. Jese played nearly 100 times for Real in three seasons 14-16. Currently he's finding it hard to crack it at Las Palmas.

Players like Pjaca, Matri, Zaza have featured prominently for Juve in the last couple of years..

What does that have to do with that I previously said ? We're not comparing Zaza or those who also played his position. We're comparing Morata with the likes of Ronaldo, Tevez, Bale and friends. No one in their right minds would expect any 20/21 year old young striker to play ahead of players of that calibre.

 

[Enigma_87]

There is a significant gap between Rashford and Morata. Nothing wrong with that as Marcus is only 19 and Morata is 24.

Well I disagree with that. Rashford is developing quite well and it's easy to see. If he keeps it up he could easily make that gap non-existent come next year.

 

[Raoul]

Well I disagree with that. Rashford is developing quite well and it's easy to see. If he keeps it up he could easily make that gap non-existent come next year.

That will never happen. Rashford's upside is not much further than what he's already flirted with. Morata's upside is RvN potential.

 

[Enigma_87]

What does that have to do with that I previously said ? We're not comparing Zaza or those who also played his position. We're comparing Morata with the likes of Ronaldo, Tevez, Bale and friends. No one in their right minds would expect any 20/21 year old young striker to play ahead of players of that calibre.

Morata last year at Juve had Dybala (a striker even younger than him), Mandžukić, Zaza and Favilli in the senior team playing in his position. Hardly world beaters.

 

[Jaapster]

Moratas good underrated at real That's my opinion , some of the comments regarding rashford are nothing short of disgraceful and HYHIS the Boy is electric and done more see you laters against top class opposition Than I can remember , United are not at there best when you have an out and out striker (can't be arse to get the figures again) we scored more goals per season before van nistelroooy played for us as a team , we will score more goals in a season if ibra isn't playing for us , I do think morata is more of a team player and we will benefit more as a team

 

[Enigma_87]

That will never happen. Rashford's upside is not much further than what he's already flirted with. Morata's upside is RvN potential.

RvN was always a prolific striker. He averaged goal per game after he hit 20. Morata is nothing like him tbh. He's better all rounder and more complete striker but I don't see him being anywhere near RvN in the box.

Last year his end product was comparable to the 19 years old Rashford, which speaks volumes.

One year in terms of development especially for a striker is huge. You can't cap his potential at 19.

 

[Raoul]

Morata last year at Juve had Dybala (a striker even younger than him), Mandžukić, Zaza and Favilli in the senior team playing in his position. Hardly world beaters.

This is not a legitimate point. Here's what matters - he managed 20 goals for Real Madrid off the bench last year and had the 2nd best goal to minute ration in La Liga (2nd behind Messi). He had more goals than Benzema, who had the benefit of continuity of starts and at 24, is on the cusp of entering his prime career years and is roughly at the same career stage as RvN when we bought him. The upside on Morata is tremendous, especially with the likes of Pogba playing behind him.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

RvN was always a prolific striker. He averaged goal per game after he hit 20. Morata is nothing like him tbh. He's better all rounder and more complete striker but I don't see him being anywhere near RvN in the box.

Last year his end product was comparable to the 19 years old Rashford, which speaks volumes.

One year in terms of development especially for a striker is huge. You can't cap his potential at 19.

While I agree with the Rashford potential, can't agree about Morata's end product or lack thereof. His conversion rate was excellent.

 

[Raoul]

RvN was always a prolific striker. He averaged goal per game after he hit 20. Morata is nothing like him tbh. He's better all rounder and more complete striker but I don't see him being anywhere near RvN in the box.

Last year his end product was comparable to the 19 years old Rashford, which speaks volumes.

One year in terms of development especially for a striker is huge. You can't cap his potential at 19.

Tell that to Januzaj.

As for last year's end product, it wasn't remotely comparable to Rashford's. Morata had a significantly better year off the bench. Again, that's nothing against Marcus as he's only 19, except for the fact that you're needlessly inflating his value for point scoring purposes.

 

[Jazz]

Expect few leaks about him signing tonight or tomorrow now. Maybe we will complete the transfer. I think he will be here very very soon.

I really hope you're right!

 

[Enigma_87]

This is not a legitimate point. Here's what matters - he managed 20 goals for Real Madrid off the bench last year and had the 2nd best goal to minute ration in La Liga (2nd behind Messi). He had more goals than Benzema, who had the benefit of continuity of starts and at 24, is on the cusp of entering his prime career years and is roughly at the same career stage as RvN when we bought him. The upside on Morata is tremendous, especially with the likes of Pogba playing behind him.

How so? It's not like Morata had always Tevez and Llorente to fight for a regular spot. With Dybala, Zaza and Mandžukić he played full 90 mins only in 5 games for the whole season. It's not realistic to project his last year form in a new team that doesn't have even the half of the creative product Modric, Kroos, Marcelo, Ronaldo etc can put to the table.

Rashford last year scored the decisive goal against Anderlecht, goal and assist against Celta in the SF, 5 in the league including 1 against the champions Chelsea. Looking at the two Rashford strikes me as the better prospect/potential if we project what they both have done/did so far in their careers.

 

[Enigma_87]

While I agree with the Rashford potential, can't agree about Morata's end product or lack thereof. His conversion rate was excellent.

Didn't say he's lacking, just is not on RvN level, to whom he was compared.