Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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IrishRedDevil said:
True, but we also finished behind 5 of them teams, so they have a better starting point.
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In a weird way, that makes our job less complicated (given the bottomless pit of money at Woodward's disposal). We have top class players in certain positions and squad-level players in others. There's a clear plan on how to improve our team and it's much more manageable than it is for those above us.

With a team like Spurs, they already have a very good XI. Making it better is extremely difficult without going over budget and taking a gamble on how they'll fit into a team that's been playing together for a while.

The top 5 are like already-souped up Mercs. United are a misfiring Ferrari. You can fix the latter much more straightforwardly. It's going to cost a shitload, but our official budget is 'a shitload'.
 
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Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Almost. What a difference from page 1 a few months ago when one person said he was worth £30m and then someone else said he won't cost that as he's a back up player!
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:lol:

Give it another week or two and we may need break the World Record for his transfer fee!
 
whatwha said:
Possibly. I think Morata has a higher ceiling, though I'm basing this on little information.
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They are both better than what we currently have but they arent as good as a striker United should have atm. Morata has more potential to grow imo but I think Lacazette on his day is more lethal, his finishing, speed, runs, dribble is of a higher level I think most of the times. Although Morata can also peak very high in matches.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
True, but we also finished behind 5 of them teams, so they have a better starting point.
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We shouldn't rush and panic buy players that aren't on top of the manager's list just for sake of doing business early. So far, everything is pointing to us signing Morata. Closing these deals isn't easy otherwise clubs would do all their business in a week.
 
Z_Wolf said:
We shouldn't rush and panic buy players that aren't on top of the manager's list just for sake of doing business early. So far, everything is pointing to us signing Morata. Closing these deals isn't easy otherwise clubs would do all their business in a week.
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I didn't say we should rush and panic but we are still behind 5 teams in the league and our priority signing was Griezmann which fell through. Now we are circling players like Morata and Perisic. Are they going to get us above any of the top 4? I have my doubts but I'll trust Jose.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
I didn't say we should rush and panic but we are still behind 5 teams in the league and our priority signing was Griezmann which fell through. Now we are circling players like Morata and Perisic. Are they going to get us above any of the top 4? I have my doubts but I'll trust Jose.
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Firstly, those two players are not in the same bracket. The fact that Juve wanted Morata and Madrid want to keep him tells you the kind of player he is.

Secondly, we already have several players 'to get us above the top four'. De Gea, probably the best keeper in the world. Pogba, one of the best midfielders at 24. Mkhitaryan, one of the highest-rated #10s. Valencia and Herrera, amongst the best in the league in their respective positions. Rashford, the league's most promising young striker. Bailly, who's had one of the best debut CB seasons for us I've seen in years. Obviously if you can get someone like Griezmann you should, but Mourinho will know that the most important thing is to get the right players. Which means a clinical striker with some physical presence, a defensive midfielder, and possibly a left back.

They need to be quality, but it's more important that they are the right type of player than that we win some kind of transfer muppet league against City et al. Mourinho did great business last season, all those signings have improved us, but who was the most successful last season? Bailly, the least 'hollywood' and least expensive. Because he was the right fit, and exactly what Mourinho wanted.

Jimble said:
Yep, but someone up there said they didn't like the per 90 stats
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Ah, fair enough.
 
Cassidy said:
Unfortunately that would be the only reason right now though, and its not always the deciding factor
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The only way we would get Kane is if Spurs don't win anything or they even drop out of the Top 4 in the next 2/3 years. That could easily happen as there are 6/7 teams for those 4 places. Morata and Kane are different cases. Morata wants to play regularly. Being stuck on the bench is not doing his development any good. He is getting the medals anyway.
 
Cassidy said:
Unfortunately that would be the only reason right now though, and its not always the deciding factor
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Most people spend their life in search of £££, what makes footballers so different?
 
Cal? said:
Most people spend their life in search of £££, what makes footballers so different?
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That's a very cynical view. Kane is still young enough to be loyal, the money factor might come later if he isn't winning things to compensate.
 
Cal? said:
Most people spend their life in search of £££, what makes footballers so different?
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I guess everyone should go play in China then?
Anyway you said most poeple and thats the point, its not ALL and so its not always the deciding factor
 
DomesticTadpole said:
That's a very cynical view. Kane is still young enough to be loyal, the money factor might come later if he isn't winning things to compensate.
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I refuse to believe that a 24yo Google employee will refuse to move to Apple if they offer to triple their salary.
 
I don't think Kane will be available for a transfer for at least 2 years and will still be for a ridiculous fee.

Levy will try to keep this current team as long as possible.
 
Cassidy said:
I guess everyone should go play in China then?
Anyway you said most poeple and thats the point, its not ALL and so its not always the deciding factor
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There are other factors, but in the end, money is one of the biggest.
 
Cal? said:
I refuse to believe that a 24yo Google employee will refuse to move to Apple if they offer to triple their salary.
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First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400k per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
 
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Cal? said:
There are other factors, but in the end, money is one of the biggest.
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I don't disagree its one of the biggest. I only said its not ALWAYS the deciding factor.
 
GlastonSpur said:
First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400m per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
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Is it so ridiculous to offer what Zlatan was on?
Cassidy said:
I don't disagree its one of the biggest. I only said its not ALWAYS the deciding factor.
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It's not because most top clubs can offer similar wages, so other factors become more important. But everyone knows Spurs do not have a wage structure to pay top players the market rate.

However, I do agree that he won't move...
 
GlastonSpur said:
First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400m per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
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Thousand?
 
GlastonSpur said:
First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400m per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
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You even manage to be daft when you're mostly right.
 
GlastonSpur said:
First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400m per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
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Agree about Levy not selling him, but Kane with a huge pay raise would surely be tempted to move any other club bigger than Spurs(which was the point here).
 
GlastonSpur said:
First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400m per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
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400m per week seems a tad excessive
 
GlastonSpur said:
First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400k per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
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Of course he would sell Kane if the player wanted to leave, in much the same way he reluctantly sold Berbatov to United, or Modric and Bale to Madrid etc.

Pochetino will not want an unhappy player hanging around spreading discontent, he will request the player be sold asap for the sake of squad harmony. Levy will either sell Kane or risk losing the best manager Spurs have had since... forever.

Simple logic.
 
GlastonSpur said:
First off, would United really offer Kane just under £400k per week (because that's what tripling would involve)? I doubt it.

Secondly, even if you did - and even if Kane wanted to leave (highly doubtful) - Levy simply wouldn't sell. If there's one transfer across the world which is 100% guaranteed not to happen, this is it.
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The only way i could see this happening is if Kane pushed hard for the move. He looks happy at spurs, would be surprised to see him leave. Wage structure needs to change though.
 
Dante said:
In a weird way, that makes our job less complicated (given the bottomless pit of money at Woodward's disposal). We have top class players in certain positions and squad-level players in others. There's a clear plan on how to improve our team and it's much more manageable than it is for those above us.

With a team like Spurs, they already have a very good XI. Making it better is extremely difficult without going over budget and taking a gamble on how they'll fit into a team that's been playing together for a while.

The top 5 are like already-souped up Mercs. United are a misfiring Ferrari. You can fix the latter much more straightforwardly. It's going to cost a shitload, but our official budget is 'a shitload'.
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It is straightforward in theory: Buy the missing Ferrari parts one by one over a few years. The problem in practice is that there aren't a lot of clear Ferrari parts available on the market and so building a great team mainly involves shopping for more generic parts that aren't so obviously distinguished from each other at first glance and trying to figure out which ones will fit together to make a Ferrari.

I think the current Real Madrid team is a pretty instructive comparison. They bought some shiny superstar Ferrari parts for huge outlays (Ronaldo and Bale most obviously, Benzema to some degree, Ramos was also a very expensive defensive player at the time). But the real engine of that team was built through savvy intelligent buys that weren't particularly expensive for the time (Modric, Kroos, Marcelo, Isco, Casemiro, Navas) combined with an underrated contingent of youth players (Carvajal, Nacho, Morata, Vazquez). For all the "Galactico" talk, it is a great team largely built the way most great teams are - not by raining cash everywhere to sign 11 superstars but by surrounding a few huge superstars with a group of less heralded players who make the team function.
 
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