You have a problem with Morata because he's at Madrid, isn't a starter, and isn't 'world class', yet you were happy to be linked with James.
Should I point out the obvious?
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Should I point out the obvious?
Wanna bet? I bet that no team apart from us would even bid €75m for Moratta, loser gets lifetime ban from this site?
Seems to me his problem is just that he doesn't rate Morata
Hope we sign him just to close this thread.
Liverpool were on the verge of a 70m euro defender from a mid-table team.
If chelsea sign lukaku, he might cost 115m euros
Fecking Mbappe has one season and he's quoted at 130-150m euros.
Jose wants Morata, Morata wants MUFC, Madrid don't have to sell so the price is massive. Simple.
Okay now did you read my post? No team apart from us would bid that much for Moratta.
my point is that it's not impossible that a team would bid that much considering this window seems to be raining cash like it's Zimbabwe dollars.
This is what I think. Real are happy of having Morata around. He might not be Benzema’s level just yet, but he’s young, he’s homegrown talent and he’s an excellent striker. You don’t find many of them around. Considering that top clubs won’t settle with a Lingard or a Fellaini on the bench then they’ll have to pay a lot of £££ to replace him so its only fair for them to expect us to foot the bill of them replacing him.
Mbappe is an excellent striker but he’s not what we need. We need a finished article to replace Ibra and that can’t be left on the shoulders of some kid. Real, on the other hand, is an excellent choice for him. Benzema will shadow him and he’ll develop into an excellent player.
I am not too concerned about the fee TBH. There are not many talented strikers available at the moment and those available will cost a lot and they all have deficiencies within their CV. What I am concerned about is that many expect Morata to simply slot in and score the goals for us. Its not that easy. The guy is a good player but he’s no RVN or RVP. He won’t be able to paper the cracks by converting every chance he’ll get into goals. Also he’s yet to get his baptism of fire ie by being the main striker of a top club. Its one thing being an Ole or a Chicarito and its another thing having an entire team depending on you to score goals on a week in week out basis.
Call me old fashioned, but Im a firm believer of having solid foundations. A top quality team needs to have a great goalkeeper, a solid defence, a well-balanced midfield, extremely talented forward players and a top striker. We’ve got a great GK in DDG and we’ve added Lindelof who seem to be quite great as CB, however midfield and the flanks needs urgent attention.
Also, if you ask me, Id keep Ibra happy (we might need him once he recovered)
Without our involvement the price will no longer be 90m
See above
Maybe the Donnarumma story is purely coincidental, but it wouldn't surprise me if we used DDG to help land Morata and have an option to sign the Italian kid.
This is turning into one of those saga's that just drag and drag now.
Whilst I don't have a huge issue with us overspending (its not our money and we're the richest club in the world) I do think Madrid's supposed valuation of 90m euros is crazy.
I think you can reasonable ask for £55m in today's market but i suppose its Perez and he's an arse.
Whilst I don't have a huge issue with us overspending (its not our money and we're the richest club in the world) I do think Madrid's supposed valuation of 90m euros is crazy.
I think you can reasonable ask for £55m in today's market but i suppose its Perez and he's an arse.
You don't issue an ultimatum a day after starting official talks
The impatience is astounding.
You think we've only been negotiating for 1 day? seriously?You don't issue an ultimatum a day after starting official talks
The impatience is astounding.
Don't care anymore, onto the Ronaldo thread...
or not
or not
Think James is closer and has more potential to world class than Morata yes. James already has had or come close to what I would call world class yes. At Monaco, Colombia and his first season of Real.
Anyone think that Real Madrid will do an 'Ed' on us and prolong this transfer throughout summer until the fax machine breaks in the last minute.
Revenge?
Revenge?
Mourinho wouldn't let that happen.
That's how I feel. Many teams, including Atletico, somehow manage to replace goal scorers every few years so I wouldn't like our club to be held to ransom. Go and find the next Gabriel Jesus or something. Morata cannot be the "best" striker around and the money they are asking for would attract nearly any striker, especially those at lesser clubs.
It was Madrid who fecked over themselves. De Gea was so desperate to join then he said and did next to nothing to make it happen. They have to think about their players and it wouldn't go down to well - especially if a players circumstances were the same and if the player thought that the club weren't considering his needs. Let's not forget seemingly they only bought him back to sell him. Ouch. Morata as good a player as he may be or become - will only look attractive to them doing good at another club. He doesn't have the 'profile'. He don't have the 'image'. He don't have the magic associated with his name. Perez probably don't give a crap about him other then what they can sell him for. Mbappe is different. A young shiny toy to shine and polish and boo now and then.
One difference with that one is they left until the very end before making a bit to drive down the price. Which is I suppose we could do but I doubt that we would let them drag it out that long. They already had a good keeper so they were able to do that as it didn't matter off it went through or not.
They will probably also need to sign another striker so delaying it too long won't suit them either.
No. I assume we've sounded out that Real are willing to sell, have gotten permission to talk to Morata and have worked with his agent to sit down with a bid yesterday.
Like all reports have said.
We have a mountain of cash but how much of that cash are we willing to spend? The thing is if we pay 90 million for a second/third choice striker, we would have to pay OTT for future transfers. We got Pogba for 90 million and he was a starter for Juventus while Morata is a 2nd choice striker. Spending more than 200 million in every transfer window is not sustainable even if the club is filthy rich. I read somewhere on this forum that we were asking 29m for DDG when that "fax machine" issue happened, Real weren't ready to pay that much so they held on until the last moment. Why should we bend over for them when they didn't do it for us? If we threaten to pull out of the deal, maybe then Morata will make a fuss and Real would be forced to accept less money.
Do you think in the confusion about the Ronaldo thing we might get him on the cheap after all?
Ed: 70m
Flo: We want 90m
Ed: OK 80m
Flo: We want 90m, not a penny less
Minion whispers in Flo's ear: CR7 wants out
Ed: 30m
Flo: Erm, yeah sure, whatever
Ed: Pleasure doing business
Ed: 70m
Flo: We want 90m
Ed: OK 80m
Flo: We want 90m, not a penny less
Minion whispers in Flo's ear: CR7 wants out
Ed: 30m
Flo: Erm, yeah sure, whatever
Ed: Pleasure doing business
Nope. The temptation would be to sell Ronaldo whose 30ish and doesn't want to remain and keep Morata instead
The problem with that is real madrid needs money to fund new player. They are right now testing us and if we back down and pursue other targets then it will be a blow to them more than us. It's not like they are selling their star player aka ronaldo or bale or isco. Morata is a bench player for them and morata and his agent has already said he wants to play regularly so if he ends up staying that may not be the best case scenario for rma.
If perez is serious about getting a new shiny toy for himself then he has to sell morata. Trust me he will be super pissed if he doesn't add any galactico even if zidane doesn't want any.
Hmmmm. Yeah let replace Ronaldo with Morata. It's like Michael Owen all over again. Lol.
That's because no team apart from us can realistically afford to bid that much. Ironically, being the richest club in world football comes at a price; football clubs will fleece us for every penny they can get and you can't blame them. Business is business.
$75million, in the grand scheme of things, isn't all that much when you consider what a player of Morata's ability will bring to the club. Who's to say that Morata won't prove to be worth every penny?
Ronaldo at 40 will be as good as current MorataIsn't he getting married today? Give him a break.
Have I said that? Also don't you think that its a bit silly to compare the best player in the world with a washed up striker who got a contract with us simply because he's SAF's mate? Should we compare Messi with Lingard now? Or maybe DDG with Foster?
Ronaldo is a much better player then Morata. However, if he wants to leave then Real has no choice but to let him go. I won't argue whether we should sign him up or not. That's not the scope of my argument. What I do think is, that if Ronaldo is sold for big money then I seriously doubt that Real will allow Morata to go too, especially since Real had already shown James the door. It will leave Real light in terms of top quality players + it would look bad.
Will Madrid have time to finish this deal while they're busy paying Ronaldo taxes and renewing his contract ? I hope this deal won't drag any loner than the next week or it'll become boring as that Perisic one.
Madrid should accept our offer to save them time solving Ronaldo's problems.
Madrid should accept our offer to save them time solving Ronaldo's problems.
not sure it's gonna be like that but it's still annoying if the annual Ronaldo issue creates a significant delay to the Morata signing.
First we have Antoine doing a u-turn and showing misplaced loyalty to his cheating club scuppering our transfer, and now we have our annual Ronaldo wants out melodramatics potentially screwing up or delaying another transfer. Not cool.
@PeoplesPerson_: Nice piece by @marca on Jose Mourinho + his relationship with Alvaro Morata. Has a timeline to show how it developed http://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2017/06/15/5942e2bce5fdea955c8b45b3.html
I hope you're right. Having said that, I don't think that Real are happy to see Ronaldo, Morata and James to leave in just 1 transfer window.
We shouldn't have allowed ourselves to end up in this silly situation in the first place.
I was talking about Real Madrid. Seen as so was you.
I meant fees, clearly.
Yeah, because Cavani is such a random suggestion plucked out of my arse. He has everything Mourinho looks for in a CF.
As I said, I don't think when he drew up his list he envisaged Morata turning out to be a 90M fee player, or Belotti requiring a 100M euro release clause (essentially making him as costly as AG). Or that Aubameyang would be going places and attracting PSGs interest. With all these in mind today it makes sense to look into it.
Who did Michael Owen replace?
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