Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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I don't understand this as well - for those advocating other strikers like Auba and Lacazette and Kane, I am sure Jose and his team will know what these players can bring to the team. If they are really what Jose wants, we would have submitted bids for them or shown interest in them. Some of these players are also clearly not available - Kane would easily cost a world record fee, another 40-50m more than Morata. While we are loaded, we do not have unlimited funds, and spending that amount on money on one player would mean that we would have a lack of funds for reinforcements in other areas.

I just want this Morata transfer to be done quickly. While price is a slight concern due to transfer budget constraints, think about it: whether we pay 60m or 70m pounds, if he comes here and scores 25 goals, no one will care. Conversely, if he comes here and scores 10 goals, then he will be a flop no matter how much we pay for him in e end. Once this transfer is done, I think we can move on to other targets reported in the media like Perisic (we can really wait for this one as Inter have to balance the books by 30th June) or another CM (I hope we are not really in for Matic or Dier, but it is stil Jose's choice in the end). Who knows, we may spring a surprise and have Dembele playing for us by the time the window shuts.
 
Mr Smith said:
I don't get this opinion. You'd rather miss out on a player we desperately need (and probably end up paying roughly the same amount for someone else, or risk missing out entirely) than bite the bullet and be prepared for next season?
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Well he wasn't even first choice and it's not as if there aren't other options out there either...arguably better ones too. Yeah we desperately need a striker and I'm not even bothered about the money but paying an extra £20m or so to Madrid just because they say so. Feck that!
 
RedPed said:
Well he wasn't even first choice and it's not as if there aren't other options out there either...arguably better ones too. Yeah we desperately need a striker and I'm not even bothered about the money but paying an extra £20m or so to Madrid just because they say so. Feck that!
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If I have to explain the completely obvious reason why this was the case one more fecking time I'm going to lose it...

That aside, I honestly don't think it's a given that other options would cost much less. Belotti we know will cost more (release clause) Abu might cost less but will cost more in wages, Mbappe will cost much more. If you feel those players are better than Morata that's an understandable opinion (though in the case of Belotti at least I disagree), but it's not hard to see that Morata fits Jose's profile better more than the others. It's not ideal to get fleeced by we're not in a strong negotiating position; they know we're desperate and we have the money.

All that said, I'm expecting (hoping?) we'll work the fee down somewhat. As has previously been noted, Pogba ended up costing a fair bit less that the prices that were quoted while negotiations were going on.
 
Mr Smith said:
I don't get this opinion. You'd rather miss out on a player we desperately need (and probably end up paying roughly the same amount for someone else, or risk missing out entirely) than bite the bullet and be prepared for next season?
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To be honest, it is grating. If José is fine with it fair enough, but I'm starting to wonder if PSG may look into reviving Auba and releasing Cavani for, say, 50M (given he is 30 but in very good nick). I'd take that ahead of 90M for Morata.
 
The state of this thread. Mourinho knows the type of striker he wants, him and his team has surely looked at potential targets, and Morata is the current first choice. If rumors are to be believed, Belotti is number two on the list. His release clause is €100m, so as long as Madrid aren't asking for more than that for Morata, the club will end up paying it. I don't think Mourinho, Woodward, or anyone else in the club hierarchy for that matter, has a single feck to give about what Madrid does with that money afterwards.

Madrid holds all the cards here. Fact is, we have a mountain of cash, Madrid knows we have a mountain of cash. We're also in desperate need of a striker, Madrid knows this too. Morata is preferred choice, as I'm sure Madrid are very well aware. With Belotti being our second choice, Madrid has a clear idea of how much we'd be willing to spend. Seeing as how they'd prefer to keep Morata, they have no reason to accept anything less than what they're asking (unless Morata himself starts kicking up a fuzz). I hate Madrid as much as the next guy, but this isn't them being cnuts, it's them protecting their own interests. Worst case scenario, Morata starts sulking and they accept whatever offer's currently on the table. If we've ended our interest, and there are no other takers, they get to keep the player (which, again, is what they'd prefer).

As for all the alternatives people are coming up with, I'd hazard a guess that Mourinho is very much aware of their existence and their abilities as they're hardly unknown quantities. If we're not in for them, it's probably because Mourinho doesn't see them as the players that will enable the team to play the way he wants.
 
Real are happy keeping their bench warmer around. Since they are a top club they won't settle for someone like Lingard or Fellaini on the bench, so if they sell Morata, they need to replace him with quality. Why on earth should they sell Morata on cheap and then spend money out of their own pockets to bring in a top quality replacement? If United want him then they must give them a fee that makes it easier for them to replace Morata
 
Halftrack said:
The state of this thread. Mourinho knows the type of striker he wants, him and his team has surely looked at potential targets, and Morata is the current first choice. If rumors are to be believed, Belotti is number two on the list. His release clause is €100m, so as long as Madrid aren't asking for more than that for Morata, the club will end up paying it. I don't think Mourinho, Woodward, or anyone else in the club hierarchy for that matter, has a single feck to give about what Madrid does with that money afterwards.

Madrid holds all the cards here. Fact is, we have a mountain of cash, Madrid knows we have a mountain of cash. We're also in desperate need of a striker, Madrid knows this too. Morata is preferred choice, as I'm sure Madrid are very well aware. With Belotti being our second choice, Madrid has a clear idea of how much we'd be willing to spend. Seeing as how they'd prefer to keep Morata, they have no reason to accept anything less than what they're asking (unless Morata himself starts kicking up a fuzz). I hate Madrid as much as the next guy, but this isn't them being cnuts, it's them protecting their own interests. Worst case scenario, Morata starts sulking and they accept whatever offer's currently on the table. If we've ended our interest, and there are no other takers, they get to keep the player (which, again, is what they'd prefer).

As for all the alternatives people are coming up with, I'd hazard a guess that Mourinho is very much aware of their existence and their abilities as they're hardly unknown quantities. If we're not in for them, it's probably because Mourinho doesn't see them as the players that will enable the team to play the way he wants.
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In fairness, two months ago when the list was drawn up you would have expected Cavani to be out of bounds (great season, new contract, PSG hardly having an option if he got sold) and Morata a much more gettable player with age on his side. As it turns out he would cost ~2x as much.
 
You know what, just pay it. If we don't, and a few weeks pass without us finding a replacement for half the price, everyone will just come back here and say we should have got it done. Given how shambolic our preseason was last year, I think it's really imperative that we go to the US next month with the majority of our squad assembled. Seeing as a striker is the most important role for us to fill next season, we need as much bedding in time for whoever ends up replacing Zlatan.

Whatever the price ends up being, it's going to be more than his current worth but, given Morata's age and his being held in high-regard across Europe, we will be able to recoup a large chunk of the fee back if it doesn't work out. Same couldn't be said about Aubameyang if we went for him, a reason why the big clubs probably aren't willing to fork out for him. I know fans here love to think that we have this bottomless pit of cash and can afford to throw large chunks of cash away on players on a whim, but we can't - no club who competes in one of Europe's top leagues can.

What it comes down to for me is, if Lukaku and Belotti are being valued at the same price, then there's no reason why Madrid should ask for less. Yes, they are both starters for their current teams and had great returns last season, but do you honestly think Morata wouldn't walk into either Everton or Torino's squad? Of course he would and there's no way either Lukaku or Belotti would have gotten more time than Morata had they been at Madrid, and there's absolutely no certainty they would have matched Morata's very impressive goals per minute ratio.

We just need to suck this one up and get it done quickly. Going forward, the best signing we could make this summer is a world-class talent spotting coach, given the lack of value in the market currently but also the overwhelming lack of diversity in interest for transfers amongst the top clubs.
 
RedPed said:
Well he wasn't even first choice and it's not as if there aren't other options out there either...arguably better ones too. Yeah we desperately need a striker and I'm not even bothered about the money but paying an extra £20m or so to Madrid just because they say so. Feck that!
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It has been discussed more than once that Real`s set-up with Ronaldo as focal Point does not really have a place for a striker like Morata. As Long as Ronaldo is the main man I also do not see how e.g. Mbappe will fit in but that`s another Point.

Fact is that Morata would have easily been first choice for Everton or FC Torino so not being in the starting 11 for Real Madrid most of the time does not mean that he is not as good as Lukaku or Belotti.

My first choice would have been Aubameyang but thinking about how Jose wants us to Play Morata makes perfect sense.
 
@Sammyjunn 's complete meltdown over transfers we haven't yet made in a transfer window that haven't yet opened is absolutely fantastic.
 
Anyone would think reading this thread that this is some chump from the Championship or a 1 in 10 striker from Algeria rather than Madrid's 2nd top scorer this season who is only a "bench warmer" because Zidane prefers Benzema due to play style, continuity, and maybe a little nationality bias rather than just pure talent.
 
Hans Moleman said:
Anyone would think reading this thread that this is some chump from the Championship or a 1 in 10 striker from Algeria rather than Madrid's 2nd top scorer this season who is only a "bench warmer" because Zidane prefers Benzema due to play style, continuity, and maybe a little nationality bias rather than just pure talent.
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Pure talent was a bit of a reserve even at Juventus.
 
antohan said:
In fairness, two months ago when the list was drawn up you would have expected Cavani to be out of bounds (great season, new contract, PSG hardly having an option if he got sold) and Morata a much more gettable player with age on his side. As it turns out he would cost ~2x as much.
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How do you know that? Cavani is on Ibra-level wages at PSG, too. You think he'd accept less?
 
devilish said:
Pure talent was a bit of a reserve even at Juventus.
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I'm really not trying to get drawn into one of these circular arguments again as it's been done to death, but he was obviously struggling a bit as a player back then, as documented several articles and the interview with Evra. He struggled with the tactical nature of Serie A, and doubted himself a lot until he met his new girlfriend. Despite those struggles, he started like 75%+ of Juve's Champions League games, most prominently in knock-out games, especially in his first season when he played most of the big games against Real, Monaco, and the final against Barca (where he also scored). You have to be pretty good to be trusted that much despite being a sub in half the league games. Shows there was more to it than simply "he was a bench warmer".
 
United just need to say this is our final offer and stick to it if they dont want it then we need to move on, Madrid if reports are true need this to fund there transfer targets. personally think he would suit a typical Jose ST compared to the other players linked but think we need to get our players in as early as possible.
 
Although things might still go wrong, it makes sense for all parties to get this transfer done. Madrid don't need him, they have their eye on other players, they might try to play hardball for a bit but ultimately this should go through. Looks like big Dave isn't a big issue any more, so no other issues clouding things.
 
Murray3007 said:
United just need to say this is our final offer and stick to it if they dont want it then we need to move on, Madrid if reports are true need this to fund there transfer targets. personally think he would suit a typical Jose ST compared to the other players linked but think we need to get our players in as early as possible.
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That's not how negotiating in the real world works.
 
Eric Chin said:
I personally don't think RM will stop their interest on De Gea.
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it's been pretty widely quoted that Ramos and Zidane have asked perez to keep navas. Also Donnarumma refusing to sign a new deal bodes well for a Real Madrid move.

I think this is why we are probably signing Morata for 90m (fee and bonuses). De Gea is saying.
 
Nick7 said:
That's not how negotiating in the real world works.
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That's called an ultimatum Nick. It's what you do when you're fed up of negotiating, a take it or leave it offer.
 
simmee said:
@Sammyjunn 's complete meltdown over transfers we haven't yet made in a transfer window that haven't yet opened is absolutely fantastic.
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Yeah sorry but this seems very frustrating to me, how Morata is now labeled as some elite/world class striker and his way out of proportion transfer price, whilst other and imo better options are available. But yeah Mourinho is the manager he probably knows best.

Only thing that is really going to backfire is conforming to these stupid demands every time, we will just end up in a slump where we cant get players for normal prices unless we actually get smarter on the market.

Having to overpay for Pogba, an elite midfielder who wasnt world class but had very clear potential too, fine but 90 million for Morata seems outrageous for me personally. Whilst we need world class attackers.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Yeah sorry but this seems very frustrating to me, how Morata is now labeled as some elite/world class striker and his way out of proportion transfer price, whilst other and imo better options are available. But yeah Mourinho is the manager he probably knows best.

Only thing that is really going to backfire is conforming to these stupid demands every time, we will just end up in a slump where we cant get players for normal prices unless we actually get smarter on the market.

Having to overpay for Pogba, an elite midfielder who wasnt world class but had very clear potential too, fine but 90 million for Morata seems outrageous for me personally. Whilst we need world class attackers.
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I do worry for the future when we continue to get shagged for prices selling and buying. I believe the prices will get better once we are more stable on the pitch though. We have been desperate the last 4 years and every club knows that. Once we are stable and competing at the highest level I think we have more room to negotiate.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Yeah sorry but this seems very frustrating to me, how Morata is now labeled as some elite/world class striker and his way out of proportion transfer price, whilst other and imo better options are available. But yeah Mourinho is the manager he probably knows best.
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The thing is, when it comes to strikers and CB's, well he usually does know best @Sammyjunn.

Wingers though... not so much.
 
Nick7 said:
That's not how negotiating in the real world works.
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we have supposedly had 2 bids rejected now and are still a bit off the mark, so make our last offer and move on, if you dont think thats how thinks work in life you must really struggle
 
Z_Wolf said:
This again. You can't just pick up any player you want like a supermarket.

1. The manager has to want the player.
2. The player has to agree to join us.
3. A bid has to be accepted.
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Well yes obviously.....
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it happen though.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Bit off topic, if the Griezmann deal went through, do you think we would still pursue Morata?
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I imagine so. Griezmann wasn't the zlatan replacement. The only thing that has probably changed is that we are now willing to spend a lot more to secure Morata.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
The thing is, when it comes to strikers and CB's, well he usually does know best @Sammyjunn.

Wingers though... not so much.
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True he has got quite a decent track record for that, but we will need to sort out or midfield and wing in order to get the best out of Morata. Except Pogba, our attacking play is really poor and non-existent, heavily reliant on Pogba and Ibra, moments of brilliance. Whilst I think with Morata he's at his best eith good passers, crossers around him, getting him in dangerous places where he can run at defenders, out dribble or outpace them. Our attacking play needs some serious adressing this summer I think. Cause we dont play like Real for one bit.
 
Murray3007 said:
we have supposedly had 2 bids rejected now and are still a bit off the mark, so make our last offer and move on, if you dont think thats how thinks work in life you must really struggle
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We don't actually know we have had 2 bids rejected.

The more recent reports was that we only sat down to talk about the fee yesterday.

These bids are just click bait. You have the same papers and journalists contradicting themselves all the time 12 hours apart. We don't know what has actually happened or where we are at...it's all speculation.

Negotiators are not done by reading tweets then screaming down the phone 'Feck you real, were going to buy one of your targets.

Or feck you we are going to by a player that doesn't fit our style because he's cheaper

Or feck you we are going to buy a player that is of a similar level but cost more money.

The people involved are not stupid. Both sides want the best deal for themselves and will have a time line. If it gets to the point where it isn't possible then they will move on.

It not like in the back ground they won't be feeling out other player's. They have probably been speaking to agents and clubs for months to see who is possible. He is possibly the 2nd, 3rd or 4th striker on the list and the other targets are unobtainable.
 
groovyalbert said:
Going forward, the best signing we could make this summer is a world-class talent spotting coach, given the lack of value in the market currently but also the overwhelming lack of diversity in interest for transfers amongst the top clubs.
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This I think is the point, there needs to be a concerted effort in finding and developing young talent.
Like you say there is a massive lack of value in todays market. The prices being quoted are obscene, ridiclous and in all honesty are seriously extracting the urine..
I remember SAF talking about this a good few years back, yet we still seem to have neglected our ability to find and hone up and coming youth.
'We are the richest club in the worrld' that's the rhetoric that gets constantly spouted, as if there is a trophy for being so. Whereas all it seems to do in the market place is inflate the prices of our targets and deflate the price of the players we wish to move on.
 
devilish said:
Real are happy keeping their bench warmer around. Since they are a top club they won't settle for someone like Lingard or Fellaini on the bench, so if they sell Morata, they need to replace him with quality. Why on earth should they sell Morata on cheap and then spend money out of their own pockets to bring in a top quality replacement? If United want him then they must give them a fee that makes it easier for them to replace Morata
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Well they are interested in Mbappe, who would replace Morata. Real is just trying to milk Manchester United in order to have more cash to finance the frenchman.
 
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