Nah, they'll get Donnarumma.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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Everyone can only play the hand they are dealt with. Right now Lacazette is proven and entering/in his prime and yet he will be cheaper than the potential that we are paying for Morata. Its as simple as that.
Sounds reasonable enough to me.
However, the problem is that the stop-gap will most likely have to function as our main striker/line leader. Which means he'll have to be pretty good. And that means he'll be feckin' expensive, not least since all the world and his granny knows precisely what we're in the market for.
Nothing proves that he won't cost us a lot, too. We have 2 problems :
1 - We're forced to buy a striker and any club we try to negotiate knows this.
2 - No club is forced to sell you their striker. Why will Lyon be forced to sell him to you ?
Any club will take use of these 2 problems and ask whatever they want as a price for their striker. If you refuse, then you can go and pay over 100m for another club to get their striker too, the route is closed in every direction so why will any club not ask for a ridiculous price for their player ? You're the one forced to buy the player not them, and each club is asking for similar prices from you so why they will ask for a cheaper price ?
Give me one reason they won't ask 70-80m in Lacazette when you ask them to get Lacazette.
and finally, scoring with Lyon in french league through your career is hardly an indication of a 100% proven player that will surely succeed in another league. Lacazette has doubts on him, just like any other striker available in the market.
Because Arsenal are linked with him and the numbers branded about 45-60m. Thats what I am going off on but obviously no one knows the true numbers. And yes every striker has doubts about them but its a case of range. Lacazette has done it in the league over a period of time consistently hence I would give him a 6 out of 10 he can make it but we have not seen this yet from Morata so maybe a 3 or 4 out 10. Again these numbers are hypothetical and Im trying to make a point as to why I would choose Lacazette over the transfer fees reported in the media.
But Arsenal aren't forced to buy a striker like us and they can easily move on from the deal and go on next season with Giroud and Welbeck again as they did every season, hence Lyon will ask for a reasonable price to sell the player. That can't be applied to us because we need a striker heavily and every one we're linked to is priced 100m, they will sure ask for a heavy price too, imo.
I'll give the consistency level to Lacazette, but don't forget that Morata has played in a higher level of football in 2 of the biggest clubs in the world since he was a kid and played a big role in Juve reaching CL final in 2015. He played on a bigger stage and knows what a big club requests from him. Hard to be a main starter in Juve at age 21 or 22 with Tevez present in the team imo I can't blame this on him, he was still developing himself. He's now at a 24 and ready to enter his prime and needs a run as a starter in a big club, that will be a good motivation for him. Lacazette only proved himself with Lyon in France and with lower expectations.
I'm not saying Lacazette is bad, but as we agreed, any striker has his doubts in the market as there's no Lewa or Kane available, each strikers has his advantages and his doubts, too, so it'll be a matter of opinion, only.
If the fee really is £75-80m for morata then why not add another £40m and punt for mbappe?
Front three of rashford mbappe and mhiki/martial is pretty tasty.
Combine with (hopefully) a midfield of pogba, Herrera and Fabinho and we are well set.
Front three of rashford mbappe and mhiki/martial is pretty tasty.
Combine with (hopefully) a midfield of pogba, Herrera and Fabinho and we are well set.
You can if those penalties are being used as an argument to say one striker is better than another.
Easy example
Striker 1 plays for team A
Striker 2 plays for team B
Both teams get over the course of a season 10 penalties awarded.
Coach of team A designates striker 1 as his penalty taker
Coach of team B designates his keeper as the penalty taker
End of the season team A converts 9 out of 10 penalties.
Whilst the keeper of team B converts 10 out of 10 penalties
Striker 1 has 9 extra goals on his tally next to the 16 field goals he made (so 25 goals)
Striker 2 has 20 field goals on his tally (so 20 goals)
You can not say striker 2 is less good as a striker than striker 1 just by compairing their goals (on the contrary). At most you can say striker 1 is better in taking penalties but even that is not a given as striker 2 just wasn't designated as the penalty taker. He might be just as good as striker 1 and could have just as easily converted 9 out of 10 but he is less talented than that keeper in his team that converted all 10 so he wasn't given the chance by his coach to take those penalties. If he was given the chance he would have scored 29 goals instead of 20.
That fact you are the designated penalty taker has nothing to do with quality as a striker. Nor has the ability to convert penalties because it is completly different. Any player can potentially be a good penalty taker, I have seen keepers be good penalty takers, defenders, midfielders. It has nothing to do with their position and role on the pitch. Hence it is complete bullshit to look at penalty goals and say a striker is a good striker because he scored them or was allowed to score them.
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I'm not saying we should go for a budget option. We can get Aubameyang or Lacazette for that amount who have proven that they are better, at least Aubameyang has proven that. If we ask Real 130 million or something for DDG will they pay that? No they won't. They will look elsewhere for another GK instead of dealing with us. The knew we will ask more for him, so they don't want DDG now. Why should we bend over for them? And I don't understand why people are saying Aubameyang isn't suited for a Mourinho team, he has the pace which is perfect for a counter attacking team. Why would someone pay OTT for a unproven player when they can get a proven player for the same amount.
You absolutely can because the best finisher in the team (your best striker) should always be your penalty taker.
The real question is who is this keeper you mention and how much money from the Morata deal would we save by going for him?
FYI, Morata had a better shot conversion rate than Zlatan last season and had more goals per min than Zlatan. Just to put things in perspective in case people start genuinely believing that Morata is a crap player.
He's tall, strong, fast, classy on the the ball as well.
FWIW, I disagree with people saying that we should spend more money to get Mbappe. Why spend 50% more money to get a player Mourinho didn't want in the first place? Why not suggest some other player with similar qualities instead? Wouldn't that make more sense?
I don't know if Morata will be successful here, but if Mourinho really wants him, I'm open to seeing how he turns out.
He's tall, strong, fast, classy on the the ball as well.
FWIW, I disagree with people saying that we should spend more money to get Mbappe. Why spend 50% more money to get a player Mourinho didn't want in the first place? Why not suggest some other player with similar qualities instead? Wouldn't that make more sense?
I don't know if Morata will be successful here, but if Mourinho really wants him, I'm open to seeing how he turns out.
Good post. Ultimately the player we buy will be the one Mourinho thinks will fit best into his overall team strategy. Morata has a very good goals to minutes rate and if he even comes close to replicating that as a starter in the Prem we will be looking at potential RvN type numbers.
That is total bullshit
You don't have to be a good striker to be a good penalty taker and vice versa. Converting penalties is totaly different to scoring field goals. Field goals is all about timing and positioning and you need to be able to shoot or head the ball in the right way from all angles and it usually you have little or no time to think about it and it comes down to feeling or striker instinct. Whilst taking a penalty it is static, ball isn't moving, there are no defenders to worry about, just the keeper to beat, short distance from the goal, only thing required is to hit that ball half decent and 99% of time you will score. The thing that is difficult in terms of penalty taking is keeping your nerves under control and being ice cold when you need to step up to the spot.
For example Belotti seems like a very good striker to me, scores a shit ton of field goals, has great striker instinct but he apparently sucks at converting penalties. Whilst Balotelli, he is a terrible striker for many reasons but he does the ability to be ice cold when he needs to convert and he nearly never misses from the spot, that doesn't make him a better striker than Belotti at all. it makes him a beter penalty taker and that has nothing to do with being able to finsih goals as a striker, nothing.
142 pages of pure waffle and conjecture with not very much evidence at all that a deal is imminent. Fair play to you all you keep yourselves busy.
Di Marzio reported that we have a total agreement with the player.
Muppet season at it's best. Keep it on.
i do love when people say "not much evidence" when there are numerous papers and journalists across multiple countries that have reported on it.
Why do you sound surprised? This is what happens every year during muppet season.
Peak Torres much more dynamic and fearsome forward. Morata more traditional and more like old school 9 in terms of hold up play but does have a decent turn of pace and more refined technical than Torres but not as scary to face for top defender.
Morata still needs to develop further.
I wish I could, but I just can't get excited for this one, at a fee potentially of £60 million + I should be refreshing every 5 minutes, but somehow it just doesn't feel right.
So no doubt a honey moon after his wedding tomorrow? Turning into a saga this one.
Sure will say BOOOOM the deal is going to get completed in 48 hours.
I admire this guy's self confidence.
Honeymoon in Manchester
This again. You can't just pick up any player you want like a supermarket.
1. The manager has to want the player.
2. The player has to agree to join us.
3. A bid has to be accepted.
Let's guess.
"Talks ongoing, Madrid still holding out for 90m" Agreement with player, but not yet madrid."
I won't be surprised if he tweeted how much Morata's salary will be in United which Sky Italy reported before.
People that tweet like this tend to be bullshitters. I know hes a "sports journalist" but he really seems like a loud of crap in my opinion
Nothing new as predicted.
It's more that I'm impressed that the debate can keep rumbling on feeding on scraps and going off on tangents.
Boring.
If Madrid want to play hardball, we might as well punt 100m for Belotti. We should not be subsidising their purchases just because they think the world owes them one.
His major update is that Real Madrid have rejected our €70m offer... nothing new
. Should force him to hand a transfer request. They are ruining his wedding. Salty mob.
Said weeks ago, i think madrid want to sell james, rather than Morata to fund Mbappe.I'd bet my salary if James left them tomorrow, Morata would still be there nxt summer
Think thats why they're hawking James round clubs
Think thats why they're hawking James round clubs
We should also put a 140 m euros bid on mbappe to set his price just in case.
Madrid are off their rocker if they think they'll get 90M for Morata. 90M would make Pogba look cheap.
How much are we talking here?
4. The player needs to sign the contract
5. The paperwork needs to be registered at FIFA before the transfer deadline
Tell Morata to send in the request. Too much wine over there in Madrid.
Salty mob.
Seems this is the only solution. Morata should force the transfer to leave because United won't pay 90m.
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