Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player

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Difference is none of them went for 70m plus they had ample contribution from their teammates would contributed so much. If Morata only scored 20 and we have a year like last year then we are looking at a similar position next season as well.

If Morata scores 20 minimum in the Premier League next year, then he would have done his job. He's a piece of the attacking puzzle. Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mata, Mkhitaryan all must step up....collectively, these five players scored 24 Premier League goals! Morata scored 15!
 
You probably are. You can't penalize the player because the manager opted to use him as a sub.
If anything the mins as a sub on stats go against you because he scored 75% of goals as a starter and obviously it's much harder coming in with 20 mins left then starting consistently. I'd be interested to see the MPG ratio when used only as a starter. Probably a few minutes better even.
 
Am I the only one who thinks goal per minute ratio isn't a reliable stat when it comes to players who mostly feature as a sub?

I think it (primarily featuring as a sub) probably has a positive effect on goals/assists/dribbles per 90 minutes, yes. I do not expect Morata to score at a higher rate than Messi next season, for example, despite the fact he has done this season in Spain. However, it is worth noting that most of Morata's La Liga goals (11/15) came in games he started in.
 
If Morata scores 20 minimum in the Premier League next year, then he would have done his job. He's a piece of the attacking puzzle. Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mata, Mkhitaryan all must step up....collectively, these five players scored 24 Premier League goals! Morata scored 15!
I agree. They are looking the point of view that Morata has to do it all on his own. The others have to perform substantially higher than they did last season. I would be expecting a lot more goals from them.
 
If Morata scores 20 minimum in the Premier League next year, then he would have done his job. He's a piece of the attacking puzzle. Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mata, Mkhitaryan all must step up....collectively, these five players scored 24 Premier League goals! Morata scored 15!
We are not talking about the other players though. We didnt spend 70m on them. If we are spending 70m on a player and he isnt like a 18 or 19 year old, and he is going to be #1 striker for us, then there is no way I would be happy with him scoring just 20 goals. It doesnt matter how many goals the rest score. Zlatan scored 28 but he missed around 17 chances if Im not mistaken. Your job as the main striker is to score goals and Im afraid 20 wont be enough.
 
Of course not, and he does score goals when he plays, but in a way it's easier to come on as a sub when other players are tired, plus games tend to be more open when the end is near. It's a whole different thing trying to break down opposition from the start, rather than coming on as a sub and bagging goals on the counter, or when your team is pressing extremely hard for a winner/equalizer, especially if you play for Real Madrid.

This is irrelevant to whether I rate Morata or not, I just think goal/minute ratios don't give you the full picture for players who are mostly used as substitutes. Of course you can also argue he might've had more goals if he started more games, so it works both ways. Imo, it's not really a representative stat and takes things out of context a bit. I'm genuinely interested to see how he'll do as the main man for United when teams are defending deep.

As previously said, 11 of his 15 goals in the league came from the start
 
Didn't Iheanacho have a goals per minute of like 1/60 two seasons ago? poachers always seem to score a lot of the bench come to think of it.
 
If Morata scores 20 minimum in the Premier League next year, then he would have done his job. He's a piece of the attacking puzzle. Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mata, Mkhitaryan all must step up....collectively, these five players scored 24 Premier League goals! Morata scored 15!

Exactly, but also we will have to fix the missing piece in the midfeild for that which would solve many problems.
 
Of course not, and he does score goals when he plays, but in a way it's easier to come on as a sub when other players are tired, plus games tend to be more open when the end is near. It's a whole different thing trying to break down opposition from the start, rather than coming on as a sub and bagging goals on the counter, or when your team is pressing extremely hard for a winner/equalizer, especially if you play for Real Madrid.

This is irrelevant to whether I rate Morata or not, I just think goal/minute ratios don't give you the full picture for players who are mostly used as substitutes. Of course you can also argue he might've had more goals if he started more games, so it works both ways. Imo, it's not really a representative stat and takes things out of context a bit. I'm genuinely interested to see how he'll do as the main man for United when teams are defending deep.

to be fair, its not as easy as you are making it sound. Even if he was being a sub, the fact is he makes an impact whenever he came on. There are very few strikers who can do that. Chicharito, Dzeko and Morata and the former 2 seem to be doing very well being the main striker. plus he supposedly won real more points with his 15 goals than any other player at RM after CR7. So he didnt score meaningless goals
 
Reminder that Mou's 2004 season had no standout goalscorer and relied on contributions from all over the field. Lampard was top scorer with fewer than 15 goals.

He's no Zlatan but I doubt Mourinho would okay this transfer if he did not have a good enough reason to buy him.
Then we need all of Pogba, Miki, Martial, Herrera to step up in goal output at once. Would be great if it happened. They have seemed capable of it previously in there careers so lets hope.
 
We are not talking about the other players though. We didnt spend 70m on them. If we are spending 70m on a player and he isnt like a 18 or 19 year old, and he is going to be #1 striker for us, then there is no way I would be happy with him scoring just 20 goals. It doesnt matter how many goals the rest score. Zlatan scored 28 but he missed around 17 chances if Im not mistaken. Your job as the main striker is to score goals and Im afraid 20 wont be enough.

Which is why we don't value him for more than 70 m euros. It's Madrid inflating the market.
 
Hmm I have a slight feeling his performance thread will be the most popular one next season if he joins. Lots of split opinions on this guy, similar to Zlatan.
 
I think it (primarily featuring as a sub) probably has a positive effect on goals/assists/dribbles per 90 minutes, yes. I do not expect Morata to score at a higher rate than Messi next season, for example, despite the fact he has done this season in Spain. However, it is worth noting that most of Morata's La Liga goals (11/15) came in games he started in.

As previously said, 11 of his 15 goals in the league came from the start
Ah fair enough then, didn't know that! Still, I think it's difficult to compare goal tallies from different leagues, especially if you go from the free flowing attack at Real to the struggling one at United, although he is of course supposed to be the solution to that. It's definitely an encouraging sign for you guys yeah.

to be fair, its not as easy as you are making it sound. Even if he was being a sub, the fact is he makes an impact whenever he came on. There are very few strikers who can do that. Chicharito, Dzeko and Morata and the former 2 seem to be doing very well being the main striker. plus he supposedly won real more points with his 15 goals than any other player at RM after CR7. So he didnt score meaningless goals
Yeah like I said, it works both ways. It wasn't a slight on Morata, just that I think it's not a representative stat. He does seem to make an impact whenever he plays, agreed on that.
 
I agree with what you are saying.
But, if we were to replace Ibra, with a like-for-like player, who is is available, right now, who will join us?
There just isn't anybody out there of Ibra's calibre, unless we go for Neymar, etc (who won't join us).
So, we need to focus on players who are a tier below Ibra, which Morata seems to fall into.
I myself wished we kept Ibra for one more season and try with Rashford the first few months. Other than that, I think there are more (better) options than Morata myself available. Icardi, Lacazette, Aubameyang and even Lukaku would I prefer above Morata. But Morata is better than Marcus and Tony though, no doubt.
 
Hmm I have a slight feeling his performance thread will be the most popular one next season if he joins. Lots of split opinions on this guy, similar to Zlatan.
I think he could have a Torresesque (at liverpool) effect for us.
 
Perhaps, but if you look at the stats Morata scored about 75% of his goals from starting games.
Most of them were against the minnows really. Zidane rarely lets him start against high ranked sides. His starting goals came vs Leganes, Alaves, Grenada, Espanyol, Deportivo and Celta (good side). It's not a dig on him, well done for still doing that but let's not take the context out of it. The amount of clear cut chances real create in these matches in insane. Even more than in our draws these season with 25 half chances and like 5 good chances mostly.
 
people seem to forget the service madrid did provide to him, can we provide the same for a £70million bench warmer 'target man' ?
 
Someone on RAWK went into a bitterness overload and called morata another borini :lol:
 
people seem to forget the service madrid did provide to him, can we provide the same for a £70million bench warmer 'target man' ?

Anyone who saw our frustrating draws in the first half of the season will say yes.
 
Perhaps, but if you look at the stats Morata scored about 75% of his goals from starting games.
Good stuff :cool:
Most of them were against the minnows really. Zidane rarely lets him start against high ranked sides. His starting goals came vs Leganes, Alaves, Grenada, Espanyol, Deportivo and Celta (good side). It's not a dig on him, well done for still doing that but let's not take the context out of it. The amount of clear cut chances real create in these matches in insane. Even more than in our draws these season with 25 half chances and like 5 good chances mostly.

He has a reputation for doing it in big games, it's not his fault Zidane has a fetish for Benzema.
 
I think he could have a Torresesque (at liverpool) effect for us.
I was thinking of that comparison. I remember liking Torres at Atletico, but around that time felt perhaps his first touch could let him down and that he'd struggle in England so was fairly happy we didn't launch a serious bid for him despite being linked for over a year. I was wrong. I thought the league was a lot harder at that time to adapt to than it is now and Spanish seem a lot more at home in England.
 
I myself wished we kept Ibra for one more season and try with Rashford the first few months. Other than that, I think there are more (better) options than Morata myself available. Icardi, Lacazette, Aubameyang and even Lukaku would I prefer above Morata. But Morata is better than Marcus and Tony though, no doubt.

Icardi feeds on service same with abamyang and lukaku , they don't bring the best out of fellow attackers which we have.lacazatte is not a aerial presence in the box. While icardi lukaku will cost even more having been proven more, morata is more creative of the lot and have it all.

Abamyang is a more proven goal scoring version of rashford .
 
people seem to forget the service madrid did provide to him, can we provide the same for a £70million bench warmer 'target man' ?

He is not a striker who necessarily feeds on service. He is a creative striker himself who can make goals without service yet also be a aerial presence in the box.

Weather we can deliver the service too? Well that's what mkh is there for and we are targeting another wide winger.
 
Icardi feeds on service same with abamyang and lukaku , they don't bring the best out of fellow attackers which we have.lacazatte is not a aerial presence in the box. While icardi lukaku will cost even more having been proven more, morata is more creative of the lot and have it all.

Abamyang is a more proven goal scoring version of rashford .
Icardi creates more for others than Morata does I think, he isnt super technically gifted but has excellent link-up play and vision on the field, racked up a nice amount of assists too. Aubameyang is far more proven than Morata, big variety of finishing, super quick, runs down the channels and always proves to get a lot of goals. Also a great counter player. If he moves to PSG I'd also rather try Cavani than Morata.

Lacazette does miss the aerial presence but I actually want to move away from that Mourinho ideal, it hampers the team at times I think. It's a bit outdated the view that a striker must be big and strong.

Doubt Icardi would cost more, around the same. Lukaku would cost more yes. Not a huge fan of him but a bit more proven.

I hope he can adapt to being the starter and the guy upfront, always having to perform. Hunting on another guy who's starting is slightly different. Huntelaar can tell you all about that.
 
If we are spending 70m on a player and he isnt like a 18 or 19 year old, and he is going to be #1 striker for us, then there is no way I would be happy with him scoring just 20 goals. It doesnt matter how many goals the rest score. Zlatan scored 28 but he missed around 17 chances if Im not mistaken. Your job as the main striker is to score goals and Im afraid 20 wont be enough.

He said 20 premier league goals, not all competitions. 20 premier league goals would be the equal 4th best in the league this year, and 3 more than Zlatan achieved.

20 Pl goals in your debut season would be a great return.
 
Most of them were against the minnows really. Zidane rarely lets him start against high ranked sides. His starting goals came vs Leganes, Alaves, Grenada, Espanyol, Deportivo and Celta (good side). It's not a dig on him, well done for still doing that but let's not take the context out of it. The amount of clear cut chances real create in these matches in insane. Even more than in our draws these season with 25 half chances and like 5 good chances mostly.

By the way we struggled to score against minnows only who parked the busses narrow and deep.
 
We are not talking about the other players though. We didnt spend 70m on them. If we are spending 70m on a player and he isnt like a 18 or 19 year old, and he is going to be #1 striker for us, then there is no way I would be happy with him scoring just 20 goals. It doesnt matter how many goals the rest score. Zlatan scored 28 but he missed around 17 chances if Im not mistaken. Your job as the main striker is to score goals and Im afraid 20 wont be enough.

Kane scored how many and Spurs won feck all.
 
He said 20 premier league goals, not all competitions. 20 premier league goals would be the equal 4th best in the league this year, and 3 more than Zlatan achieved.

20 Pl goals in your debut season would be a great return.
Fair enough.
 
Someone on RAWK went into a bitterness overload and called morata another borini :lol:
Just had a peek. Griezmann was kind of shite a few weeks ago now he's World class again and apparently Pogba is still the worst ever.

Shouldn't be surprised this is the lot that thinks trophies = regression and year after year of nothing = dominance on the way.
 
80 million, Oh God
for that money he should score >35 goals

and cut the OT grass every week.
 
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