£40m for Ozil | Deal to Arsenal confirmed

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Personally I think there's always room for one more if it's the right one. Is Ozil the right one? Well, if he came I think he would be the best #10 we've got. Do we want a #10 though?

He's not a 9.5 like Rooney, who'll score goals as well as create. He's not a Welbeck who can act as a harasser as well as a creator. He's not as good a creative winger as an on-form Nani or as good a worker winger as an on-form Valencia. As I've said before I didn't see enough of Kagawa at Dortmund to make a comparison there.

What he is, is someone who'll work great with Cleverley, RvP, Rooney, Nani and Welbeck. Provider of the killer ball in those neat little passing moves. Is that we need? I guess Moyes will know - it's his teamsheet, tactics and formations that it will effect.

If he's what Moyes needs then the 45m Euros is a fair price. He is that good.

People who argue that he seldom sees 90 minutes in big games, need to remember that Mourinho routinely took off any player in that position - either to add a defensive midfielder to protect a scoreline or an out and out striker in a bid to catch up. He did finish plenty of games, including big ones - so it's not a simple fitness issue.
 
Jesus christ Moysey make it happen. Him and Fellaini and this can be considered as a great summer.
 
Please no. Kagawa, fellaini and carrick will make a great engine upon which we can build on. Ozil is not needed, better save the money for a creative central midfielder a la Fabregas/modric next summer.
 
jojojo said:
Personally I think there's always room for one more if it's the right one. Is Ozil the right one? Well, if he came I think he would be the best #10 we've got. Do we want a #10 though?

He's not a 9.5 like Rooney, who'll score goals as well as create. He's not a Welbeck who can act as a harasser as well as a creator. He's not as good a creative winger as an on-form Nani or as good a worker winger as an on-form Valencia. As I've said before I didn't see enough of Kagawa at Dortmund to make a comparison there.

What he is, is someone who'll work great with Cleverley, RvP, Rooney, Nani and Welbeck. Provider of the killer ball in those neat little passing moves. Is that we need? I guess Moyes will know - it's his teamsheet, tactics and formations that it will effect.

If he's what Moyes needs then the 45m Euros is a fair price. He is that good.

People who argue that he seldom sees 90 minutes in big games, need to remember that Mourinho routinely took off any player in that position - either to add a defensive midfielder to protect a scoreline or an out and out striker in a bid to catch up. He did finish plenty of games, including big ones - so it's not a simple fitness issue.
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I think in that no.10 position he'd be just ideal. It's such a key position and I'd rather have someone there who makes the likes of Rvp and co bigger goal threats and improved our overall buildup play than one who has goal threat but not as good in those tight spaced and creatively. If we had someone like fabregas in midfield or wide playmakers like city it would be different, but I think we need more playmakers in general so why not someone in a position which allows him to be heavily involved?
 
Kevin said:
Please no. Kagawa, fellaini and carrick will make a great engine upon which we can build on. Ozil is not needed, better save the money for a creative central midfielder a la Fabregas/modric next summer.
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Doesnt get much more creative than Özil. He can easily play in a 3 man midfield as the furthest player up front or on the left or right in a 4-3-3. With Carrick and (possibly) Fellaini we would have two very good CM that could do the dirty work in front of the defence.
 
Get Ozil and play Rooney Kagawa and Ozil behind Van Persie. Wreak havoc!
 
Art said:
Get Ozil and play Rooney Kagawa and Ozil behind Van Persie. Wreak havoc!
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:drool:

---------------DDG---------------
Rafael-----Rio------Vidic------Evra
---------Carrick--Afro Man---------
Özil---------Kagawa--------Rooney
-------------Rvp-------------------

Nani instead of Rooney is wankworthy as well. Do it.
 
I wont be surprised if we play with a narrow 4-2-3-1 system with 2 between Welbeck, Kagawa, Ozil, Valencia and Giggs on the flanks.
 
Theon said:
We could according to him, because he 'doesn't give a feck' how it impacts other players.
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That's the thing, am sure he does even though he says he doesnt.


Danny1982 said:
Can't we play Ozil in the midfield? I know it's not his natural position, but we've seen many players play in different positions along their career, and Ozil does seem to possess the qualities needed in a CM (passing, ball control, ...etc.).
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We could but that'd be far from the best way to use him. If we spend 40mil on Ozil, why not use him where he's shown he's worth 40mil in the first place.


amolbhatia100 said:
Maybe it's not that important for everyone to be happy. Had Rvp come, Rooney would have been extremely happy, but i doubt we'd have won the title last season.

Personally I think besides him being a brilliant footballer, Ozil is a player we lack as well. We have a few players for the no. 10 position but none of them are playmakers. Rooney is a striker mainly his playmaking is hugely hit and miss. And kagaWa is more of an attacking midfielder. So Ozil would give us something we don't have. Plus I firmly believe our team doesn't have enough technical playmakers. City have too many and we have too few.
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That is one of my other concerns with having Ozil play behind RVP, he isnt a prolific scorer by any means. Who'l replace the goals Rooney scores from there? Our wingers and CMs would need to step up otherwise we'd be very dependent on RVP. And I dont see the likes of Clev, Carrick, Ando and Valencia becoming goal threats anytime soon. Kagawa given time could do brilliantly there, has everything + goals in him. Rooney though not as technical as Ozil is still better suited at the moment imo.
 
Sunny Jim said:
What is happening?? Why is this thread so active??
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Nothing is happening. Ozil's agent has supposedly alerted clubs of his client's availability and with us needing a CM, which he isnt, its a case of 2+2=5, hurrah, lets discuss how to best utilize him in our team.
 
Varun_Utd said:
That is one of my other concerns with having Ozil play behind RVP, he isnt a prolific scorer by any means. Who'l replace the goals Rooney scores from there? Our wingers and CMs would need to step up otherwise we'd be very dependent on RVP. And I dont see the likes of Clev, Carrick, Ando and Valencia becoming goal threats anytime soon. Kagawa given time could do brilliantly there, has everything + goals in him. Rooney though not as technical as Ozil is still better suited at the moment imo.
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The way I see it, having more creative players in your team brings out more goals from everyone. I reckon Rvp would see more of the ball and get more chances and kagawa has the potential to be a regular goalscorer for us as does nani IMO. Welbeck too off the left could get your a decent number of goals.

There is a case for Ozil being better suited to madrid but then again, the assumption you have to make when debating his signing, is that we will change our complete focus on wide play for a more fluid approach with wide players expected to cut in and get goals and create, which I wouldn't mind.
 
shaggy said:
Nothing much, we're just at the placing players in fantasy formation stage now.
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Yep, when all hope is lost, just imagine what you could do with all the great players you couldn't get !
 
Ozil scores about 1 in 3 for his country (same as Kagawa actually) ... so he clearly can find the net, not sure why he doesn't do it with such regularity at Madrid (Actually... it's probably because at Madrid they have very defined goalscorers in the team, where as at Germany they all seem to chip in... or something).
 
amolbhatia100 said:
The way I see it, having more creative players in your team brings out more goals from everyone. I reckon Rvp would see more of the ball and get more chances and kagawa has the potential to be a regular goalscorer for us as does nani IMO. Welbeck too off the left could get your a decent number of goals.

There is a case for Ozil being better suited to madrid but then again, the assumption you have to make when debating his signing, is that we will change our complete focus on wide play for a more fluid approach with wide players expected to cut in and get goals and create, which I wouldn't mind.
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That's the thing, if we play someone like Ozil, what's expected of our wingers would need to change and so would the personnel. We'd need both wingers to cut in and look to score as I dont see Carrick or Clev scoring much. It'd have to be Kagawa,Welbeck and Nani sharing the wingers duty. No place for Valencia am afraid. Too much of a change required too quickly tbh, dont know how it'd work if we were to somehow get him.
 
Varun_Utd said:
That's the thing, if we play someone like Ozil, what's expected of our wingers would need to change and so would the personnel. We'd need both wingers to cut in and look to score as I dont see Carrick or Clev scoring much. It'd have to be Kagawa,Welbeck and Nani sharing the wingers duty. No place for Valencia am afraid. Too much of a change required too quickly tbh, dont know how it'd work if we were to somehow get him.
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I'd love that change to be honest. Young would be pretty good at that too I reckon. He played his best football for us when we were playing lovely on touch stuff rather than proper focus on wideplay. It would take a bit of adjustment, but I'd take it, it would make us fantastic to watch. Besides I feel you could always keep Rooney and play him behind Rvp with Ozil and kagawa on either side. Ozil could also work as a wide playmaker IMO, drifting inside and deep of course.
 
Bread said:
People who know, what kind of player is Ozil? I've really not seen him very much at all if I am honest, Kagawa type?
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More technically gifted but less of a nose for goal. He's more like iniesta probably.
 
Bread said:
People who know, what kind of player is Ozil? I've really not seen him very much at all if I am honest, Kagawa type?
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Same position but different players. Ozil's the better creator, a playmaker if you like. Kagawa though not as good in that respect is a much bigger goal threat.


amolbhatia100 said:
I'd love that change to be honest. Young would be pretty good at that too I reckon. He played his best football for us when we were playing lovely on touch stuff rather than proper focus on wideplay. It would take a bit of adjustment, but I'd take it, it would make us fantastic to watch. Besides I feel you could always keep Rooney and play him behind Rvp with Ozil and kagawa on either side. Ozil could also work as a wide playmaker IMO, drifting inside and deep of course.
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I dont personally rate young much. We were robbed at 18mil but that's for another thread. He's only good enough to be a squad player for us, and an expensive one at that.

The problem with what you're siggesting with
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Kagawa---Rooney---Ozil

is that both Kagawa and Ozil in this setup would be playing out of their favorite positions. It'd still work great though if they're happy with it and it'd be a very fluid system anyways. I'd love to see it happen but it'd take a lot of adjustment.
 
I'd be fecking BUZZING if we signed this lad.

We can let Moyesy worry about whose place he'll be taking.
 
It seems ASs are not reliable at all.....apparently they talk as much bull as Guilem Balague!
 
Ozil - the Muppet Ghost of Transfer Window past.

Fabregas - the Muppet Ghost of Transfer Window present.

Ronaldo - the Muppet Ghost of Transfer Window future.

Please, Uncle Malc, spare a lump of coal or two for the muppets among us, and don't forget Little Leighton either.
 
Were these quotes ever posted?

It’s great that Real Madrid want to renew my contract, it’s a vote of confidence. But I’ve not made any decisions yet because there’s no pressure,” he said.
“Of course I can imagine ending my career at Real Madrid, but I can also imagine playing elsewhere too. The world of football moves quickly and every step has to be carefully considered."
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1501554/mesut-ozil-pleased-real-madrid-contract-talk?cc=5739
 
shaggy said:
Were these quotes ever posted?

It’s great that Real Madrid want to renew my contract, it’s a vote of confidence. But I’ve not made any decisions yet because there’s no pressure,” he said.
“Of course I can imagine ending my career at Real Madrid, but I can also imagine playing elsewhere too. The world of football moves quickly and every step has to be carefully considered."
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1501554/mesut-ozil-pleased-real-madrid-contract-talk?cc=5739
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They're old but yea I posted them a while back. Seems things have changed quite a bit now though with all the new attacking options coming through the door at the Bernabeu.
 
I'm spending the rest of my lunch watching Ozil videos. It's therefore happening.
 
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