But he isn't going to play as a striker when we have Van Persie who played every single league game last season. So what do you do with him?
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But he isn't going to play as a striker when we have Van Persie who played every single league game last season. So what do you do with him?
Ozil doesn't have to play every game behind a striker... and regardless, you can still fit them into the same side (as some people in this thread have alluded too).
If the reason not to sign someone is because it's not nice for our current players, then that's not much of a reason at all.
Personally I'd play Rooney out wide left instead of Welbeck
Eh? How does Ozil not playing every game have anything to do with playing Rooney as a striker - which is what you said.
Of course its a good reason, we aren't City and as a responsible club we have a budget.
Still not sure what you're suggesting we do here. Rooney can't play as the striker so you want to sign Ozil and play him or Rooney wide? That won't get the best out of either of them, as we have seen with Rooney. He also hates doing it and is one of the reasons for the speculation this summer.
It also denies games to Zaha, Nani, Valencia, Kagawa, Chich and Welbeck. Danny stalled last season, as did Hernandez who only started 9 league games. This was without Zaha at the club, but more importantly Rooney out injured and not playing close to his usual number of games (only 22 starts). Kagawa was likewise injured and was still settling into the club, so only started 17.
Both of those would expect to play far more than that this season, so quite simply the games aren't there to spread them around properly and give everyone the necessary time - this is even true without bringing in Ozil.
Personally I think we have enough in attack if Rooney stays and should look to develop Kagawa, Hernandez and Welbeck a bit more, rather than sign yet another attacker and limit their game time further.
Why the feck is there not a single artice from the English press linking him with us to get my muppet hopes up?
If Rooney can't play as a striker - in games where we're only playing one striker (like last night) it would make more sense to play someone who is brilliant at being an Attacking Midfielder (Ozil) then someone like Rooney, who is good, but it's not his best position. He can be shoved out wide or left on the bench for those games - the bloke is apparently unhappy anyway, so we should be fine benching him when needs this year.
In games where we can play 4-4-2, shove Rooney up front with Van Persie and Ozil can play on the wing or be benched - Yes we'll have a big squad with lots of options, but we'll also have a shit load of games and Moyes will be able to rotate.
I just can't agree with the idea that we shouldn't buy someone, because it means other players - that aren't as good - will see less game time... I mean, isn't that sort of the point of football?
Not that we'll buy Ozil mind, but the point stands.
I would put Rooney wide, and Ozil in the middle. But then, with this three behind Van Persie, it's free flowing heaven. Not to mention Carrick-Fellaini in the middle give us power and positioning, and the Rafael-Evra as fullbacks would be absolutely brilliant for width and crosses.
Keeping Rooney, and hitting Marouane and Mesut in the transfer market would make us seriously CL competition and the best team in England (not that we weren't already).
If he came i can imagine him playing in similar position as Welbeck yesterday, probably switching with Rooney from time to time. Only issue is we'll be sacrificing Welbeck industry for Ozil's creativity.
oh noes, call da footie po-lice.
Well when Rooney goes next season we want have to worry about it will we.
Can you remember when people considered not buying Van Persie because it would hurt Welbeck and Chicha chances? Madness!
If Ozil is available we should get him. Him, Kagawa and Rooney can play together, and in the season they will get injured too. They'll have to keep in shape and form because the quality of the roster is unbelievable.
If you can't live with this competition in one of the greatest teams in the world, you shouldn't be a top professional footballer.
Mesut Ozil:
Nope that isn't the point of football, at least not United. Maybe Chelsea and City.
I'm really surprised as a United fan that you find it difficult to understand why denying game time to youngsters is an issue. Its not sustainable to pay someone £200,000 per week to sit on the bench, or purchase someone for £40million to do the same. More importantly we already have a loaded attack and Hernandez, Welbeck, Zaha and Kagawa will find it hard enough to develop without adding more competition.
Or a very promising home grown player, for a £40million transfer
Eh? Ozil would go straight into our first team - that's not purchasing anyone to sit on the bench. Also, Ozil is younger then Rooney and Hernandez and the same age as Kagawa... but yeah, give youth a chance and what not.
That was taken wildly out of context.
You're off your head if you think we could give him the game time to play all the time, as AN acknowledged himself.
Or if we do, Kagawa was a pointless purchase, and Hernandez and Welbeck should probably leave now
Stop being pedantic, you know what I meant. But just in case, the point was that he doesn't have to start every game - say Crystal Palace at home - when we want to play two strikers (or he can be put on the left) - but for the big games, you know, the games we want to win so we can win stuff, a player of his class and creativity would be pretty handy no?
You're off your head, Chief!
He'd probably play more games than anyone bar RvP and (maybe) Rooney.
People were saying this sort of thing for RVP... just worth mentioing.
If anyone would worry, I'd say Valencia/Young/Nani are the ones who would be most under threat.
Buy Ozil, Fellaini, Coentrao, sell Nani and swap Rooney for Mata + 15M 
---------------RvP
----Mata-----Kagawa----Ozil
---------Fellaini---Carrick
Coentrao------------------Rafael
------------Rio------Vidic
----------------DDG
*shit, I really need to start playing FM to get my fix.
---------------RvP
----Mata-----Kagawa----Ozil
---------Fellaini---Carrick
Coentrao------------------Rafael
------------Rio------Vidic
----------------DDG
*shit, I really need to start playing FM to get my fix.
I said the same thing about Van Persie, probably more than anyone else and also a bit OTT to be fair
To be honest though, I don't feel much different about the RVP transfer. All the things that were suggested as downsides did happen - Hernandez and Welbeck both completely stalled, Kagawa couldn't play centrally and got shunted out to the wing, Rooney ended up wanted to leave the club.
I mean RVP was a hugely successful transfer, but there were clear downsides which would be replicated with Ozil - even more so because the downsides from the RVP transfer haven't gone away, so Ozil would only exacerbate them.
An example of what I mean is that an effect of the RVP transfer was that Hernandez got 9 starts, sign Ozil and it might go down to 5. Signing RVP meant Welbeck got played on the left, sign Ozil and he won't play at all.
But we won the league - so all in all it's the right move. If we didn't have RVP, we may well not have won the league, but Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa would have played more football... so which would you have prefered? If we bring in top quality players who help us win things that we couldn't have achieved without them, then isn't that the best move for the club? Of course, we all like our current players, but if there are people available that can do a better job then them, and those individuals help us to acheive our aims by winning trophies, then that's just the way it is.
IF we signed Ozil (we won't) I still think Welbeck/Hernandez/Kags would get games (not as many, but they would)... and if they didn't, but we won a load of trophies because of Ozil's impact, then it was the right decision regardless.
It's also worth considering that Rooney may still be leaving next summer...
Adding Ozil to our current squad seems similar to the Baines deal. There really isn't any need for him and he isn't enough of an upgrade to what we have to make it worthwhile IMO. Modric would be a better and more logical addition to our squad if we were going to sign anyone from Madrid.
If we get Ozil, I dont see how we can keep Rooney and still keep all of Ozil, Rooney, Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani and Valencia happy. Too many players for 3 positions.
Nani will probably leave next Summer if not this very one, Rooney could be gone in a year as well. No need to worry.
Straight forward I would think:
- Rooney, & Kagawa just behind main striker
- Welbeck & Hernandez are 2 of 4 strikers we always have
- Nani & Valencia are wingers. Nani rarely plays nowadays anyway
Four competitions plus Premiership we could always use more quality. Most players play limited amount of games with the exception of de Gea and Evra.
It doesn't really make sense to have 4 forwards when we're most likely going to play 4231, I can't see Hernandez having more than 10 starts in the league and it isn't enough for a player of his talent. I might be slated for it but I reckon he'll be gone in a year or two anyway, with van Persie's fitness he should still be able to play main role for the next 3-4 seasons.
SAF always preferred 4 forwards (Cole, Yorke, Sheringham & Solskaer or presently, Persie, Rooney, Hernandez & Welbeck). Can't argue with SAF!
Ferguson played 442 for most of his tenure here though, he only started to turn towards 4231 in the later stages. He tried playing 433 around 2004-06 but it wasn't particularly successful.
Add Ozil to the mix and its too much specially considering all of Ozil, Rooney and Kagawa are at their best behind the striker.
Tbh, even with the current mix that we have, I dont see Hernandez staying at the club too long unless someone leaves. He isnt versatile enough like Welbeck to play multiple positions and I dont see RVP being left out too often. Adding another attacker would just hasten couple of exits.
Yes, so where is the need for Ozil? Competing with Rooney & Kagawa?
We're not sure if Rooney will stay very long and Ozil is a better player than Kagawa. What's the problem here?
Simply because his players around 2004-2006 (at least the first 2 seasons) - simply weren't good enough
If there's one player we could have from Madrid, it'd be Modric. Would be absolutely perfect for us.
yes he would be he's quite clearly not for sale.
Regardless of formations SAF preferred 4 strikers. Of those two are world class (Rooney & Persie). They could always deliver in important and difficult games. Welbeck and Hernandez are still young and learnin'. With lots of games to play and injuries, it makes sense to have at least 4.
It makes sense if Rooney's leaving, not otherwise. I wont go into a direct comparison between Ozil and Kagawa as even though I believe Ozil to be the better player, Kagawa's a bigger goal threat and I'd want the player playing behind RVP to have goals in him so as not to make us too dependent on him. If we get Ozil, it'd have to be him behind RVP to get the best out of him. Which would increase the need for goals from our wingers.
Regardless of formations is missing the point though - Ferguson needed four strikers because he normally played two at a time. We currently only play with one, so four isn't needed.
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