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I dont think Hernandez will be here too long if we keep Rooney. Let alone add an Ozil.
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I dont think Hernandez will be here too long if we keep Rooney. Let alone add an Ozil.
In the past if a striker left SAF would get a replacement. You can't keep everyone happy and players come and go. Ozil would possibly play a midfield role.
Van Persie rarely plays alone. One of Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez always compliment him. Last season, Persie's impact made him an automatic choice over the others.
Fact is RVP is too good and too consistent to be benched with any regularity. Rightly so too as I've always believed that the best players should play as much as possible. That just reserves a spot. Rooney falls into the same category if he's staying. So 2 spots to be shared among all the other talents that we have. Get an Ozil and you're adding a 3rd cert starter. That'l render all the players remaining as "too many" imo, you cant keep them all happy and selling 1 only to buy another replacement wont change anything. Ozil would play just behind the striker drifting everywhere, if thats what you mean by a midfield role. Any deeper and he's wasted.
At the end of the day, while you can argue that Ozi is too good to turn down, there's no obvious role for him to step into, and so his arrival could only disrupt a winning side. You could say the same about Ronaldo, but Ozil isn't joint BPITW, so Ronnie is a bit of a special case. But beyond Ronaldo it's painfully obvious we should be focussing our resources and finances on a proper centre-mid.
Last season RvP started 34 games, Rooney 22, Welbeck 13 and Hernandez 9, in the league only. If you combine them, it's 78 starts for our 4 forwards, divided in 38 (PL games) it's, 2.05. So we "always" started with at least 2 forwards in every game.
Ronaldo's case is totally different. Even if he wasnt among the top 3 players in the world, top quality on the left flank is something we need. Ozil would be great ofcourse but buying him will have repercussions.
Welbeck rarely played as a striker last season. Rooney has played more as an AM than a striker for a while now too.
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Apparently Woody thinks this is 99% doable.
That's the unwritten rule of a team game. When you get a chance then grab it and make yourself indispensable. If you can't then that opens opportunity for your competitors. Rooney is very important to United. If Persie is injured then he will be the automatic replacement (if he can get his act together). Welbeck and Hernandez are not in his class.
I need to be convinced that Ozil will be an automatic choice. Kagawa was very successful in Germany but has struggled in the Premiership.
I know that. But the argument was that we just played with one forward mostly, which simply wasn't the case.
Rooney played 19 of his 22 starts as a "number 10" behind RvP. Welbeck started 10 of his games on either wing, 2 as a "number 10" and only 1 as an attacker.
What a load of shit - he's not even got Ronaldo and Fabregas in there!
Once bitten twice shy, he's a new man these days... it is all about the 'realistic targets'.
On the bolded, no not necessarily. Sometimes you need to lose to win, as Keano said the other week. Using Keane's views on Rooney as an example, if Chelsea were guaranteed to win the league with Rooney but bid £80million then it would be best for the club to sell him.
So in that situation we have let a "top quality" player leave the club, it has directly caused us not to win the league, but it would still be the right decision.
I think you are looking at this too simplistically personally, it isn't as simple as just "buy all the best players".
On the other point, yeah of course they would still get games. But it would be far, far less given Ozil would be expected to start basically every game. As would Van Persie.
Even if you assume that Rooney won't be as involved as in previous seasons, we aren't going to leave him on the bench and you have recognised yourself that would be a ludicrous situation, paying someone £200,000 per week to sit on the bench. So Rooney would also expect to play the majority of matches.
You then have Nani, Young, Zaha, Giggs, Valencia, Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa to play.
If we assume that the main three of RVP, Rooney and Ozil start 75% of league games (RVP started over 90% last season), then that is about 29 starts each.
In a 4-2-3-1 there are 152 starting positions for the 4 attacking roles in the league, so those three take up 87 which leaves 65 left over.. For at least 8 players.
Hernandez started 9 last season, but this was a season in which
1) Rooney was injured and out of form
2) Kagawa was injured and still settling into the team
3) There was no Ozil
All three of those things would be different this season. I mean Rooney only started 22 league games because of the injuries so he could easily take 10 away from Hernandez himself - let alone adding Ozil and giving him 30 starts.
How does it make sense to have 4 strikers when you play with 1? There are 60 games in a season at most, there's no chance that they'll all play enough. That's why we play Rooney at AM and Welbeck out wide.
Yeah Rooney playes behind Van Persie, where Kagawa or Ozil would play. Welbeck has had to play on the wing because he can't play centrally, and Hernandez rarely plays.
Rooney mostly played his traditional number 10 position. Occasionally, he played on the wing and occasionally in midfield.
He played on the wing because either most of our wingers were either injured or under-performed last season. He played in midfield because apart from Carrick our other midfielders likewise, either under-performed or were injured (aside the fact that Carrick is as indispensable as Persie is to the attack).
Persie plays better as a part of two strikers and a part of the experiment SAF needed to go through last season was to see which of our strikers best complimented him.
Would love him here. Couldn't give a feck about how it would impact anyone else's fortunes. Kagawa is good enough to adapt to the left hand side anyway. And with Ozil the chances of us playing the way I want us to would increase greatly. Also, I really wanted us to get him before madrid did so I'd be absolutely delighted. Magical little player.
Try explaining that to players though. If they dont get enough game time, other clubs come in and they leave. When you play 4 attacking players, you cant really have 3 cert starters and then expect 6 others to fight for the remaining 1 slot and still be happy even after you include the games that the 3 will be rested in. It just isnt enough.
Regarding the last bit, Ozil, if he comes will start 80% of your games, he's that good. I do have a lot of faith in Kagawa though, he was brilliant at Dortmund and his best for us is yet to come. Think he'l have to make do with cutting in from the left though by the looks of it.
not 1 forward, no but 1 striker, definitely. We rarely played 2 outright strikers like the old days.
Rooney would have to leave in your scenario which is why am saying here. We cant keep Rooney, buy Ozil and yet keep everyone happy.
We could according to him, because he 'doesn't give a feck' how it impacts other players.
Can't we play Ozil in the midfield? I know it's not his natural position, but we've seen many players play in different positions along their career, and Ozil does seem to possess the qualities needed in a CM (passing, ball control, ...etc.).
If Ozil could play in the midfield then they would just do that and sell Modric as he's a better and younger player. The likes if Ozil, silva, nasri, mata, kagawa etc aren't suited to playing deeper, their whole game is based upon being able to find little pockets to operate where is hard for them to be picked up and little pieces of play around the box. Moving them deeper doesn't suit them at all and none of them are known for their work rate
Well, it looks like it doesn't matter now, because apparently we got Fellaini..
Not a big fan of Ozil anyway.
Ozil and Fellaini would be a great summer.
Ozil and Fabregas would have been a great summer.
And Ronaldo!
Would have been awesome but a bit ott. One of them and someone who's strong defensively in the middle but can still play would have been the best outcome for me outside of something crazy like Ronaldo coming back.
Are we getting him or what?
I'd love us to sign Ozil, he's quality. It wouldn't really make sense though, unless:
1) Rooney leaves. (Which looks less likely now)
2) We start playing a 4-2-3-1 without any traditional wingers (which I seriously doubt will happen)
3) Rooney gets converted into a cm (which I don't really want to see happen)
So, I don't think there's any chance of this happening.
1) Rooney leaves. (Which looks less likely now)
2) We start playing a 4-2-3-1 without any traditional wingers (which I seriously doubt will happen)
3) Rooney gets converted into a cm (which I don't really want to see happen)
So, I don't think there's any chance of this happening.
Yeah all of your points wouldn't happen even if we signed him.
1) Rooney may leave next year.. 1 year left on his contract
2) We have no wingers per say. They are all rubbish on form.
3) Rooney plays off RVP now let alone if we sign Ozil or not.
Loads of people are saying he would love him here, I am just shocked it is not all of you! Our wingers don't even come close to a Chelsea-style line up of 3 AMs behind the main striker, with those 3 potentially being Rooney, Kagawa and Ozil. That is just an unreal prospect, and would trump the three Chelsea amigos very comfortably. I said this before: Ozil is right up there as one of the top players in the AM role. The creativity he would provide by playing behind the main striker would just simply be 
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We haven't had a compilation video yet, let's have one and admire our future "could-have been" signing:
Ugly fecker, but his football skills are utter beauty.
.We haven't had a compilation video yet, let's have one and admire our future "could-have been" signing:
Ugly fecker, but his football skills are utter beauty.
Doubt it.
No, and we never were.
You know we haven't sign anyone yet right? and probably won't likely to sign anyone else
/heresaropetohangyourmuppetneck :P
Yup. Just like fergie "didn't give a feck" about Rooney, welbeck and Hernandez when he went ahead and signed Rvp. If a player is going to improve you them you can't sit and worry about how it will affect the rest.
Maybe it's not that important for everyone to be happy. Had Rvp come, Rooney would have been extremely happy, but i doubt we'd have won the title last season.
Personally I think besides him being a brilliant footballer, Ozil is a player we lack as well. We have a few players for the no. 10 position but none of them are playmakers. Rooney is a striker mainly his playmaking is hugely hit and miss. And kagaWa is more of an attacking midfielder. So Ozil would give us something we don't have. Plus I firmly believe our team doesn't have enough technical playmakers. City have too many and we have too few.
We have probably asked Rooney to give us one more season like we did Ronaldo so I can see us bringing in someone else even with Rooney here.
Um, come again?
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