So did we. RVP and Kagawa.
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So based on the highlights, other people's reports and the after-match aftermath. I can tell you that Ozil had a good game going forward last night, despite Ancelotti taking him off at the hour mark. Not surprisingly he looked ratty as hell about being taken off. Though actually given the threat from Granada (I kid you not) Ancelotti bringing on defensive midfield reinforcements was tactical sense.
If he does end up being sold to someone and we don't go in for him... especially considering our creative problems last night (and the fact that Mata is a pipedream), I really would be scratching my head...
Did he really throw a strop and go to the dressing room when he was taken off?
For someone that seems calm a lot of the time, he did look pretty pissed off. Walked straight down the tunnel, pretty sure I remember him refusing a coat to wear too but I may be making that up
That away jersey is lovely.
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2013/08/26/primera/1377549482_667180.html
Ancelotti didn't talk about it after the match. Just said that he'd played well and it was a tactical change.
There's some speculation that if Ancelotti had to choose between Ozil and Di Maria leaving, it would be Ozil who goes.
They look like Chelsea.
Going by yesterday's game and a few similar performances from last season Ozil is exactly the sort of player that we could use. Then again Kagawa, in spite of not being as good as him, hasn't really played much for us in that role so I'm not sure if it's within Moyes intentions to set up with a #10 with such features. I don't see how after signing Isco and Bale Madrid will be able to fit them with Ozil and Di Maria so at least one of them will leave IMO.
----------RVP------------
Kagawa---Rooney--Ozil--
Make it happen Moyes!
Kagawa---Rooney--Ozil--
Make it happen Moyes!
A United team without genuine width?
That looks frighteningly close to City under Mancini.----------RVP------------
Kagawa---Rooney--Ozil--
Make it happen Moyes!
----------RVP------------
Kagawa---Rooney--Ozil--
Make it happen Moyes!
I've basically spent the whole morning dreaming about this. Obvs with Felli deep with Carrick. It does kind of rely upon a fit Rafael to work though.
Or Fabio. If we decide to stop playing a center back at full back despite a full back being fit and available.
Won the league! Swap Shinj with Nani and like a poster said Rafael and Baines
can provide width.How is his off the ball work? I have only noticed his attacking play, never really paid attention to what he does without it.
I don't know but I'm sure Moyes will drill it into him if he's shit and we always have Valencia as back up.
He gets substituted quite a lot, so he might have some stamina issues. If he can track back half as much as Valencia does, with the increased control he would provide us up the pitch, he can be worth going after.
Ozil really needs a bit of a free role to get the best out of him. If we get him doing too much defensively we're limiting him a bit.
His off the ball movement is incredibly brilliant. He finds space anywhere, drags defender out of position all the time. You loose (or at least massively limit) that part of his game, if you start him out wide though. His defensive workrate is a bit of a problem, imo. Not sure, if his attitute in that regard will change under a different manager, he looked the same at Bremen and for the nationalteam.
He needs a free role in possession, I don't think it would harm his game, if he does more defensive work when the opponent is attacking.
Just can't see us signing him. We already have Rooney and Kagawa, unless we're looking to play all 3 of them, meaning no wingers, which I couldn't see at all.
Yeah, would only make sense going after him if Rooney leaves, which seems unlikely. And as Balu says, he isn't as effective starting out wide, nor does he offer the kind of defensive work that we expect from our wide players, so think we can file this under probably not gonna happen.
Fellaini and Ozil wouldn't be halff bad for a summer, especially because we'll keep Rooney.
That line up posted above is by far and away the best attack in the league. Considering our options to swap either one of Kagawa/Ozil for a genuine wide-man should we need too. Might see Valencia played in RB against weaker sides should be Rafa be injured too.
Make it fecking happen.
That line up posted above is by far and away the best attack in the league. Considering our options to swap either one of Kagawa/Ozil for a genuine wide-man should we need too. Might see Valencia played in RB against weaker sides should be Rafa be injured too.
Make it fecking happen.
Under Mourinho I always seem to remember him being subbed off early around 70min mark, seemed to have stamina issues similar to Anderson for us.
Was also dropped for some games vs Barca.
Come to think of it he is a very similar player to Mata, and perhaps that's why Mourinho wants to offload Mata.
Ozil, Rooney and 1 of Kagawa/Nani behind RVP
Ifwe were to get Fellaini, then we wouldn't have as much a need for wingers who are good at defending. 3 of Ozil, Kagawa, Rooney and Nani behind Van Persie with Fellaini and Carrick behind them would be fine imo.
Can you imagine Ozil being offered to us and the player desperate to play for us and Utd declining the offer!!!!!!
Anytime some gimp on here makes a formation with a player we dont have and usually don't get it makes me cringe.
strange lad... and 4-2-3-1 is strange to United you think??I hope you keep cringing.
We could potentially line up with
---------RVP-----------
Kagawa---Rooney---Ozil
------Carrick--Fellaini--
or even
---------RVP-----------
Kagawa---Rooney---Ronaldo
------Carrick--Fellaini--
Keep cringing.
Cringing
He has no future at Madrid with Ronaldo, Bale, Isco, Di Maria
Really? Even if we keep Rooney?
I wouldn't find it confusing at all to be honest, and I like Ozil
For all his Running and energy Rooney created frig all through the middle yesterday, Kagawa is the only person this would concern and I wouldn't worry because there will still be plenty opportunity.
It would concern Rooney as well because he plays in the same position. How much he created last night isn't really relevant.
It would concern all our attackers.
Rooney showed last night he doesn't quite have the creativity that someone like Ozil (or indeed Shinji) has when it comes to unlocking a defence/finding something extra.
I've always thought Rooney's best position is as a striker.
All those formations look really pretty, but there's something I really don't understand. Why would you want to build a team with 3 of the 4 attacking players played out of their favorite position? Sure, you get away with playing worldclass players in different positions for a while. They might accept it in special circumstances, for example if tactics against a strong opponent make it necessary or a player is injured, so it's best for the team for a while. You might even get away with it for a whole season. But we're talking here about truely great players, the best players of some of the biggest football nations in the world. They want to play in their position, they want to win individual awards as well, they want teams build around them, managers to get the best out of them.
United got incredibly lucky with Rooney, who was way too good to be shifted around for other players, but he accepted it and helped the team, but even he got frustrated in the end. It's just stupid to buy players and play them out of position, instead of buying players who really like to play these positions and are brilliant as well. Sure, in theory, we can draw those little formations and say it will work because of their abilities, but it will cause problems most of the time. It's just a very weird strategy to build a truely great team.
I can see Kagawa - Özil - Rooney behind RVP working very well. Özil is usually drifting out to the right a lot and Rooney making runs in the center with van Persie dropping deep and connecting with Kagawa would be a hell of an attack, imo, way better than all these formations with Rooney in the middle. But I doubt the players would be happy with it in the longterm.
United got incredibly lucky with Rooney, who was way too good to be shifted around for other players, but he accepted it and helped the team, but even he got frustrated in the end. It's just stupid to buy players and play them out of position, instead of buying players who really like to play these positions and are brilliant as well. Sure, in theory, we can draw those little formations and say it will work because of their abilities, but it will cause problems most of the time. It's just a very weird strategy to build a truely great team.
I can see Kagawa - Özil - Rooney behind RVP working very well. Özil is usually drifting out to the right a lot and Rooney making runs in the center with van Persie dropping deep and connecting with Kagawa would be a hell of an attack, imo, way better than all these formations with Rooney in the middle. But I doubt the players would be happy with it in the longterm.
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