£40m for Ozil | Deal to Arsenal confirmed
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I think Kaka has come to grips with the fact that he must take a substantial wage cut in order to play football. He's not getting any younger and would be really stupid to assume that any club would be willing to pay anything more than £130k a week for his services.
That sounds about right for us.
I was hoping you we're going to say there was a cast iron link.
The Sky Spotrs news guy who is stationed outside the Bernabeu waiting for Bale made no mention of Madrid looking to sell Ozil, Di Maria is the one apparently they will offload if they complete their monkey business.
I still remember Kaka tearing us apart in the European Cup. He was a bloody superb player back then. In hindsight, it was a bad mistake on his part going to Real. I'm surprised no English club has been sniffing around. City could afford him and that kid won't have to continue saving his dole money for a laser tattoo removal. Win-win situation.
Naughty.The Ozil story comes from Spain - and was published first by a reporter on a TV show, Punto Pelota.
Ozil's worried about prime game time, now that Isco has arrived. Bale's arrival will squeeze it further. His agent has apparently been putting out feelers and has been noisy enough about it that a price of 45m euros has been floated as enough to tempt Madrid.
We get into the story because we're known to be in the market for midfielders and we've been putting out feelers in Madrid (most likely starting with Modric). There seems general agreement in Spain that Ozil's agent offered Ozil to us and suggested a 45m euro (£38m) bid.
Articles like the one that appeared in Bild are based on this Spanish story.
Are United bidding? The Star claimed we were willing to bid £30m, but why would they know? Graham Hunter says he thinks Ozil's agent got a thanks but no thanks response from us.
That's it from the press. Rumours in Spain, Ozil's agent probably the source - rehashed by various parts of the media. No solid information on United's response.
Ozil's worried about prime game time, now that Isco has arrived. Bale's arrival will squeeze it further. His agent has apparently been putting out feelers and has been noisy enough about it that a price of 45m euros has been floated as enough to tempt Madrid.
We get into the story because we're known to be in the market for midfielders and we've been putting out feelers in Madrid (most likely starting with Modric). There seems general agreement in Spain that Ozil's agent offered Ozil to us and suggested a 45m euro (£38m) bid.
Articles like the one that appeared in Bild are based on this Spanish story.
Are United bidding? The Star claimed we were willing to bid £30m, but why would they know? Graham Hunter says he thinks Ozil's agent got a thanks but no thanks response from us.
That's it from the press. Rumours in Spain, Ozil's agent probably the source - rehashed by various parts of the media. No solid information on United's response.
Apparently Madrid fans are worried about the rumour and it seems to be getting a lot of buzz in Spain. If it's true Moyes has said we are not interest, he is just a tit.
Yeah if he's even slightly available and we arent all over it, we're doing something wrong. Especially as Nani still hasnt signed. With Doubts over both Rooney and him, its a no brainer to take Ozil if we can who could fill both roles and improve our creativity
Apparently we all know better than Moyes.
Van Persie
Ozil-----Rooney-----Valencia
Hernandez
Welbeck-----Kagawa-----Zaha
If Ozil's AGENT offered him to us then it is probably the same shit as with Fabregas. Courting offers so he can receive confirmation about his position in the pecking order. If we made an offer and Real said he was an important member of the squad we'd be in the same position again.
No offense but Joe Kinner could get this one right.
What clubs don't communicate these days?
Benzema's agent denied he wanted a move. Khedira's has done the same. Neither Ozil nor his agent has denied the story.
If the Spanish press are right, Madrid weren't looking for a sale, but they will sell if he asks to go, and they can get the right price. They don't like the agent's tactics.
Slightly mixed emotions about the prospect of us signing Ozil. I'd be extremely excited but you can't help but wonder how involved Kagawa would be. Would make our attacking and creative options unreal though.
If Ozil is coming in I'm sure someone needs to leave, Rooney, Young, Valencia, one of them (Rooney being most likely). We already have too many attacking players, signing another one would be overkill IMO. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want Ozil, fecking hell, he's world class... forward line of Kagawa, Ozil and Welbeck supporting RVP
If Ozil is coming in I'm sure someone needs to leave, Rooney, Young, Valencia, one of them (Rooney being most likely). We already have too many attacking players, signing another one would be overkill IMO. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want Ozil, fecking hell, he's world class... forward line of Kagawa, Ozil and Welbeck supporting RVP
With Fletcher and Giggs in midfield
Honigstein confirmed this, too.
I doubt these rumours are true. If they were, it would make no sense that we'd be willing to pay 45 million for Ozil and not more than 35 million for Fabregas, a player who we have much more need for.
Ozil at £38m would be a very fair price.
If he was offered to us we should go for him even if he isn't exactly where we need to strengthen. He is more talented than our entire squad bar RVP. We never sign players of his stature and I don't see this happening.
If he was offered to us we should go for him even if he isn't exactly where we need to strengthen. He is more talented than our entire squad bar RVP. We never sign players of his stature and I don't see this happening.
Having no inside knowledge, you can only guess what's true but seemingly the only players we've bid for are Baines, Fellaini and Fabregas. All PL proven and the bids were under what would be considered 'market value'.
It seems to me that the club/Moyes are unwilling to take a risk and want to play it safe, which rules out Ozil, especially at that price. Would love him but I just can't see it.
1. Not happening
2. Not worth £40 million
3. I watch quite a bit of Real and I don't think he'd be great here.
And I enjoy muppetry usually.
2. Not worth £40 million
3. I watch quite a bit of Real and I don't think he'd be great here.
And I enjoy muppetry usually.
In my opinion, Ozil is easily worth £40m in today's market. I can't understand how you can have watched Real play a lot and not think Ozil is a quality player.
In a world where Gareth Bale is worth £94 million, Ozil is worth more than £40 mil. Such a class player, top 5 in the world in the AM position.
2. You're all absolutely right, Haven't paid that much attention to fees this summer. He generally is, but to us?
3. I just don't feel that we're setup for players like him at the moment and don't have the players behind him in midfield to accommodate. Also, I feel like when he's hot, he's really hot but can become invisible regularly.
I'd love us to have more players like him but it hasn't been our style in the past. Who knows what style Moyes will bring.
Clearly this would be an unsuccessful bid then? Unless I'm missing something. If Madrid would be tempted to sell at 45m and we're offering 30m then why are we trying when our bid clearly falls short of their valuation. Seems reminiscent of the Fabregas transfer. In today's market where any top player at any of the top European clubs are going to cost more than what they would've 7 or 8 years ago. It seems to me that we are reluctant to pay the sort of money required to get a top drawer, proven player. And if we aren't willing to pay 45m for Fab, I can't see us paying 45m for Ozil. Woodward seems to be going for a bargain that isn't there.
Still caught in two minds about this. On the one hand, it is undoubtedly a big 'feck you' to Januzaj and a bunch of other players no matter how you look at it, with the need for Carrick cover/a creative centre midfielder being far more pressing in any case. That being said, in an age whereby there are arguably 5 or 6 clubs with more pulling power than us scooping up all the top class players under the sun, it makes me wonder how sensible it would be to pass up on an opportunity to sign someone of Ozil's class. On top of that, I think he's more suitable for us than Kagawa to be played behind the front man (assuming that would be the plan) and would, in theory, provide a hell of a lot of what we've been missing over the last two years. It's often rightly pointed out that we're lacking in midfield but we're lacking just as much in the central areas on the edge of the final third. It's our main weakness at times.
Difficult one. I wouldn't be on Moyes' case if there was any truth to us turning him down, though at the same time I'd question whether we should be refusing a player like that in today's market. There's also something to be said about making a statement at this point to maintain a certain level of appeal I think, with prospective players looking towards stars at this club and wanting to follow them. We can say what we want about players being retards if they can't see what's on offer here, but we're moving swiftly into an age whereby oligarchs and oil billionaires will begin to dominate, with those clubs finding it easier to turn players' heads and get their targets than ourselves. We on the other hand do not have a multi-billionaire, we have thoroughly shite weather, we're based in a country that produces an underwhelming style of footballer and we've lost maybe the greatest manager of all time. Maybe we need to readjust our strategy in light of those factors, I don't know.
Kagawa, Ozil and Januzaj does seem a bit impossible though...at least one of them will become marginalised, you'd think. People have said that Kagawa has not yet done anything to really warrant our caution in this respect, yet Ozil could come in and have a similar first season.
Difficult one. I wouldn't be on Moyes' case if there was any truth to us turning him down, though at the same time I'd question whether we should be refusing a player like that in today's market. There's also something to be said about making a statement at this point to maintain a certain level of appeal I think, with prospective players looking towards stars at this club and wanting to follow them. We can say what we want about players being retards if they can't see what's on offer here, but we're moving swiftly into an age whereby oligarchs and oil billionaires will begin to dominate, with those clubs finding it easier to turn players' heads and get their targets than ourselves. We on the other hand do not have a multi-billionaire, we have thoroughly shite weather, we're based in a country that produces an underwhelming style of footballer and we've lost maybe the greatest manager of all time. Maybe we need to readjust our strategy in light of those factors, I don't know.
Kagawa, Ozil and Januzaj does seem a bit impossible though...at least one of them will become marginalised, you'd think. People have said that Kagawa has not yet done anything to really warrant our caution in this respect, yet Ozil could come in and have a similar first season.
Well we needn't worry, because this ain't happening.
Moyes described it as a "mixed" market, and it looks like he and Woodward seem unsure of the actual price/value of good players in the market. Problem is, their estimation seems to be on the low side. Looks like the only things they'll be picking up in this transfer window are lessons and experience. Let's hope they learn quickly though.
To me 38-40mil for Ozil seems about right, and definitely worth considering.
To me 38-40mil for Ozil seems about right, and definitely worth considering.
Agreed, we just don't sign these sort of players.
How much football do people expect Januzaj to play for us this year? He's way down the pecking order and will most likely only get a handful of games this year - especially if Rooney stays. He also might have a loan move (ala Welbeck) in him at some point, maybe this or next season.
If he's available, bringing in someone like Ozil's quality is a no brainer... would he instantly improve our squad? Yes, Would he be one of the best players in said squad? Yes.
If he's available, bringing in someone like Ozil's quality is a no brainer... would he instantly improve our squad? Yes, Would he be one of the best players in said squad? Yes.
Even if we don't sign an AM, I don't expect Januzaj to get much playing time. We have far too many attacking options within our squad. It would take a huge show of faith from Moyes to get him into the side on a regular basis.
I think if Ozil is available we should look to bring him in. He's a great player, creative and different to what we have at first team level. Below that if the players are good enough they will still break through. It also sends a message we can compete for the worlds best players.
League Cup and early FA Cup matches are probably about as good as it gets for Januzaj. Januzaj will end up being another Magnus Eikrem, where Caftards will wax lyrical about him for months and constantly question why Moyes (Fergie then) won't play him and what he has to do to be able to get a game, only for him to be sold to a team in the Dutch league or something like that.
I don't think anyone is sure of the actual price/value of good players in the market. Chelsea offered £25m for Rooney and then a month/few weeks later, went out and bought an unproven player in the big leagues for £30m. Willian's 25 too, so it's not like they're paying a premium for an exceptional young talent either.
Rooney, the confused, for Mata plus cash, and bank Ozil would be muppet heaven. And Rooney can sulk with his millions, until Stretford dumps him.
Which will most likely be after his last big contract. feck you Stretford you utter cnut.
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