£40m for Ozil | Deal to Arsenal confirmed

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Can someone get that kid with the Pls sign Rooney sign to do one for Ozil tomorrow night?
 
Revan said:
I don't think that Januzaj/Lingaard would be important or our team in this and the next season anyway and until then it is very possible that Rooney and at-least one of our three senior wingers wouldn't be at the club. Anyway the only possibility I can see Ozil coming here is as a direct replacement for Rooney and I would be happy if this happens. He's the best No.10 in the world IMO.
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Yes, those youngsters won't be first teamers this season anyway, but this season they need to be given good enough chances to check where they stand at big stage early on. These days, even youngsters are not that patient, and I would hate a 'Pogba' happening again.

Good thing with Ozil is, he has played wide as well to good effect, so we will have options to try different formations as per need.
 
The Man Himself said:
Yes, those youngsters won't be first teamers this season anyway, but this season they need to be given good enough chances to check where they stand at big stage early on. These days, even youngsters are not that patient, and I would hate a 'Pogba' happening again.

Good thing with Ozil is, he has played wide as well to good effect, so we will have options to try different formations as per need.
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Well if Ozil comes for Rooney it doesn't change anything about those two players you mentioned. But they won't have many opportunities there anyway. If we didn't sign Zaha yes, but it is very difficult to give time to both Zaha and Januzaj (especially considering how many senior players we have in those position). So, a loan (or games in Carling Cup or in UCL in last two games, similar to Powell last season) would be the best opportunity for Januzaj.
 
The Man Himself said:
Yes, those youngsters won't be first teamers this season anyway, but this season they need to be given good enough chances to check where they stand at big stage early on. These days, even youngsters are not that patient, and I would hate a 'Pogba' happening again.

Good thing with Ozil is, he has played wide as well to good effect, so we will have options to try different formations as per need.
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If Ozil came here, United will have 9 players for the 3 attacking positions behind Van Persie, and also Hernandez if Moyes wants to play 2 up top. Something will have to give, even for the youngsters to play in the Carling cup, early rounds of the FA Cup and dead rubber CL games.
 
Revan said:
Well if Ozil comes for Rooney it doesn't change anything about those two players you mentioned. But they won't have many opportunities there anyway. If we didn't sign Zaha yes, but it is very difficult to give time to both Zaha and Januzaj (especially considering how many senior players we have in those position). So, a loan (or games in Carling Cup or in UCL in last two games, similar to Powell last season) would be the best opportunity for Januzaj.
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Rooney is still needed if RvP gets injured. Ozil and Rooney may have to fight out for the no. 10 spot behind RvP otherwise. It is also possible that we have a trio of Kagawa-Rooney-Ozil behind RvP in some crunch games where we choose not to use traditional wingers and keep it compact. Let's see. All hypothetical till we sign him.

Zaha and Januzaj are not exactly same type of players. Januzaj can play wide but isn't a winger. Anyway, my point was, there should not be case where we lose some talented youngsters for not giving opportunities. Good thing is, we have Moyes as a manager and not somebody like Mourinho who cares feck all about academy. Moyes will hopefully ensure club does its best to see where these youngsters stand before deciding if they have the future here or not rather than players leaving us like Pogba, complaining at lack of chances.
 
Revan said:
Well if Ozil comes for Rooney it doesn't change anything about those two players you mentioned. But they won't have many opportunities there anyway. If we didn't sign Zaha yes, but it is very difficult to give time to both Zaha and Januzaj (especially considering how many senior players we have in those position). So, a loan (or games in Carling Cup or in UCL in last two games, similar to Powell last season) would be the best opportunity for Januzaj.
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That's the short-term way of looking at it. Long-term buying Özil would most likely mean there's a very expensive obstacle in Januzaj's path into the first-team seeing as they play the same role and have a very similar playing style. If it were the case that Moyes has turned down Özil then it would most likely mean we have faith in the players currently there and that he sees the young players as genuine first-team players in the future. Is that really something to despair over? It's not like Moyes is betraying the traditions of the club that have served us so well for the years. I want Özil myself but I'd see it as a great sign of confidence in the young players if that was the decision made. It's not something I'd agree with based on the limited information I'm privy to as a fan but it wouldn't be something that would leave me outraged in any way. It's not like we're turning down Fábregas because we have faith in Cleverley and Powell, we're well stocked in attacking positions and this would be an expensive luxury buy which we can easily do without if the young players are showing enough potential to warrant that kind of faith from the manager.
 
psychdelicblues said:
If Ozil came here, United will have 9 players for the 3 attacking positions behind Van Persie, and also Hernandez if Moyes wants to play 2 up top. Something will have to give, even for the youngsters to play in the Carling cup, early rounds of the FA Cup and dead rubber CL games.
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I see Young leaving in that case. Maybe Nani as well. Zaha and Valencia on right wing and Welbeck/Kagawa on left. One wing will be with traditional winger and other with a different kind. Rooney's ability of playing on left is bit under utilized sometimes. He is good at cutting in and curling right footed shots from left and providing crosses. Refer 5-2 win vs Spurs after down 2-0 at HT. Rooney had switched to left, Nani was taken off and was a game changer. Rooney had rpovided fantastic ball for Ronaldo's goal at 3-2, scored equalizer at 2-2 cutting in and earlier provided through ball for Carrick for penalty. It was 4 years ago, but just highlighting a game. He had good game son left otherwise as well.

RvP-Rooney-Hernandez-Welbeck-Ozil-Kagawa-Zaha-Valencia for the 4 attacking positions. Sounds good? Young won't be sold yet, so another backup in case of injuries and youngsters for carling cup games.
 
Brwned said:
That's the short-term way of looking at it. Long-term buying Özil would most likely mean there's a very expensive obstacle in Januzaj's path into the first-team seeing as they play the same role and have a very similar playing style. If it were the case that Moyes has turned down Özil then it would most likely mean we have faith in the players currently there and that he sees the young players as genuine first-team players in the future. Is that really something to despair over? It's not like Moyes is betraying the traditions of the club that have served us so well for the years. I want Özil myself but I'd see it as a great sign of confidence in the young players if that was the decision made. It's not something I'd agree with based on the limited information I'm privy to as a fan but it wouldn't be something that would leave me outraged in any way. It's not like we're turning down Fábregas because we have faith in Cleverley and Powell, we're well stocked in attacking positions and this would be an expensive luxury buy which we can easily do without if the young players are showing enough potential to warrant that kind of faith from the manager.
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This.
Ozil, will arguably the best creative midfielder in league if signed, but he isn't what we need. We can afford to take the risk of not signing him, giving Janzaj/Lingard etc chances, even if they are in carling cup games to start with. It is not like we are taking risk of not signing a world class holding midfield player on offer(an area which is our obvious weakness).
If Januzaj and co. fail, we can go in market next time. Ozil is not a 27-28 year old, so at 24 if he is signed, then youngsters who are 18-19, know that there is a player who will be around for 4-5 years at least as among the first names on team sheet and they will be backup and if they are as ambitious as Pogba, they will look for options elsewhere early on where they will get more game time.

There can be another theory for buying Ozil that Januzaj etc should be good enough to dislodge even the best and if they can't, we move on. Even that to happen, they need chances. Pogba left for lack of chances and is now doing amazingly well at club of our stature who were better stocked in that area compared to us, but still decided to take the chance of making him regular and it paid off.

Thankfully, we have a man in-charge who has always focused on nurturing bright talents from academy and has promised to continue doing it.
 
Brwned said:
That's the short-term way of looking at it. Long-term buying Özil would most likely mean there's a very expensive obstacle in Januzaj's path into the first-team seeing as they play the same role and have a very similar playing style. If it were the case that Moyes has turned down Özil then it would most likely mean we have faith in the players currently there and that he sees the young players as genuine first-team players in the future. Is that really something to despair over? It's not like Moyes is betraying the traditions of the club that have served us so well for the years. I want Özil myself but I'd see it as a great sign of confidence in the young players if that was the decision made. It's not something I'd agree with based on the limited information I'm privy to as a fan but it wouldn't be something that would leave me outraged in any way. It's not like we're turning down Fábregas because we have faith in Cleverley and Powell, we're well stocked in attacking positions and this would be an expensive luxury buy which we can easily do without if the young players are showing enough potential to warrant that kind of faith from the manager.
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There are three positions of attacking midfielders, and while I agree that Ozil and Januzaj are similar, both are very versatile players. Ozim can play as a No.10 or in the right side, while Januzaj can play in all three positions there. In two years, Valencia and Young will be 30 years old, while Nani will be almost 29. It is very possible that two of them wouldn't be here at all, and in two years we'll be with Ozil, Kagawa, Januzaj, Zaha, Welbeck and one of those three wingers I mentioned which is perfectly reasonable and would give enough playtime to each of them,

The other point is that if Ozil comes, I see Rooney leaving. This is the most direct replacement we can imagine. So, I don't see the harm at all in Januzaj path if we bring Ozil.

What I think is that he's a great player and would improve every team. He would be one o our top 3 players instantly and possibly our best player. If that means that Januzaj won't get 10-15 games in the next two years (that we don't know if he'll get them anyway) and will go on loan, I would be happy if this happen, despite being a big Januzaj fan.

The Man Himself said:
Rooney is still needed if RvP gets injured. Ozil and Rooney may have to fight out for the no. 10 spot behind RvP otherwise. It is also possible that we have a trio of Kagawa-Rooney-Ozil behind RvP in some crunch games where we choose not to use traditional wingers and keep it compact. Let's see. All hypothetical till we sign him.
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Chicharito has outscored Rooney 2 times in his three seasons at United. I think that we have a perfectly replacement for RVP if he gets injured (even without Rooney). His general play isn't as good as Rooney's but that will be compensated by Ozil who is a more creative player than Rooney IMO.
 
Revan said:
There are three positions of attacking midfielders, and while I agree that Ozil and Januzaj are similar, both are very versatile players. Ozim can play as a No.10 or in the right side, while Januzaj can play in all three positions there. In two years, Valencia and Young will be 30 years old, while Nani will be almost 29. It is very possible that two of them wouldn't be here at all, and in two years we'll be with Ozil, Kagawa, Januzaj, Zaha, Welbeck and one of those three wingers I mentioned which is perfectly reasonable and would give enough playtime to each of them,

The other point is that if Ozil comes, I see Rooney leaving. This is the most direct replacement we can imagine. So, I don't see the harm at all in Januzaj path if we bring Ozil.

What I think is that he's a great player and would improve every team. He would be one o our top 3 players instantly and possibly our best player. If that means that Januzaj won't get 10-15 games in the next two years (that we don't know if he'll get them anyway) and will go on loan, I would be happy if this happen, despite being a big Januzaj fan.
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You don't think it's possible that Januzaj and Özil are too similar to play together? They can play in different positions of course, but if they're offering the same thing then it doesn't really matter.
 
Brwned said:
You don't think it's possible that Januzaj and Özil are too similar to play together? They can play in different positions of course, but if they're offering the same thing then it doesn't really matter.
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They are similar but I think that they can play together. Put it like this, do you think that Ozil and Silva can play together?
 
Revan said:
They are similar but I think that they can play together. Put it like this, do you think that Ozil and Silva can play together?
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They can, but for me I'd not choose to pair them together.
 
Revan said:
They are similar but I think that they can play together. Put it like this, do you think that Ozil and Silva can play together?
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I think Özil and Januzaj are much more similar in style than Silva and Özil, personally. The difference between Özil and Silva is surely outlined in their stats? The German's much more direct. I think we could get away with Kagawa and Özil but I'm not much of a fan of packing the frontline with attacking midfielders personally so those two + Januzaj would absolutely be overkill, for me.
 
People were saying we didnt need RVP, when we signed him.

If a world class player is available then we should go for him. Ozil is in that category for me.
 
What's all this chat about Janujaz and Ozil being too similar?

One is a top class player and one is a youth teamer!
 
Sandikan said:
What's all this chat about Janujaz and Ozil being too similar?

One is a top class player and one is a youth teamer!
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Would be great for AJ to learn of Ozil as they do seem to have very similar styles although I have only seen limited amount of games AJ played!
 
Yes, and if we did decide Ozil isn't for us then maybe it means we have faith in Januzaj being something more than a youth teamer.
 
Brwned said:
Yes, and if we did decide Ozil isn't for us then maybe it means we have faith in Januzaj being something more than a youth teamer.
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I don't think Januzaj is even relevant to the discussion tbh. There's a load of other more established players who wouldn't get a game if Ozil came in.
 
If we sell Rooney Ozil would be a good signing, otherwise it seems like overkill to me
 
Feed Me said:
I don't think Januzaj is even relevant to the discussion tbh. There's a load of other more established players who wouldn't get a game if Ozil came in.
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Agree completely, Welbeck/Hernandez/Zaha are going to lose out, let alone someone like Januzaj
 
Buying Ozil could surely only mean Rooney would be off.

Otherwise we'd be left with an even more unhappy player than we do, who wouldn't get a look in. Would be bizarre.

can't see us just casually buying Ozil at the death though!
 
It would be silly for them to let Ozil leave. Kaka is the one they should be looking to move on.
 
Can someone please post a link to an article linking us to Ozil? I don't understand this debate as I've heard nothing linking us to the player.
 
Feed Me said:
I don't think Januzaj is even relevant to the discussion tbh. There's a load of other more established players who wouldn't get a game if Ozil came in.
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Well, if he's coming as a Rooney replacement, nothing about the other players will change. Rooney started almost every game he was available last season. Signing him and keeping Rooney is a bit overkill.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It would be silly for them to let Ozil leave. Kaka is the one they should be looking to move on.
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No one wants Kaka because he's on around £200,000 per week. They would shift him in an instant if they could
 
Revan said:
Well, if he's coming as a Rooney replacement, nothing about the other players will change. Rooney started almost every game he was available last season. Signing him and keeping Rooney is a bit overkill.
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As I said above a couple of times, where are these Ozil links coming from? There was a bullshit tweet earlier which Honnigstein said was rubbish. Surely we're not getting our knickers in a tizz over a tweet?
 
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