£40m for Ozil | Deal to Arsenal confirmed

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I used to be of the opinion that there is no need for him so I wouldn't bother.

Now, feck it. He's a genuine world class player that would bag assist after assist and would increase the creativity of any team by a quite a margin. He's too good of a player to pass on.
 
Godfather said:
I'd certainly love us to buy him. He's a great player. Problem would only be where to fit him in, especially when Rooney stays.
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We should just parade him in front of Rooney and shout "Remember those world class signings you were moaning about..."
 
Ash_G said:
As for Ozil I'm not saying we should say no entirely to him I'm just saying if we had 40m to spend and could get a top class central midfielder I'd chose that over a top class attacking midfielder, especially if we could keep Rooney or even if we let him go given Kagawa could come there. We've got players who can be stars to cover for Rooney if he did leave such that we wouldn't need a direct replacement, we don't have anyone who can be a star alongside Carrick though. To put in another way;

Carrick Modric/Fabregas

Kagawa

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Yeah that's how I feel, spending the money on centre mid makes a lot more sense.

If we sell Rooney then I can see why Moyes would want Ozil, not that I think selling Rooney means we need to sign him, but you can understand the view. If we don't sell him then I can't understand it at all.
 
Only problem I have with him is that can he actually complete 90 minutes? Everything I watch Madrid, he is always taken off. Was that just a Mourinho thing?

For people saying, where shall we play him because we have Kagawa. Well let them rotate, wherever they want to go. That's how it was in 08, when all our strikers could interchange. I'd love to see that again.
 
i, for one, would welcome our new insect overlord.
 
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With Isco arriving it would not suprise me if they got rid of him. For some reason Madrid have a love of disposing great players when they lose their shiney-newness.

Personally he would become the best AMC in the league alongside Mata. I really just cannot see it happening though, After Thiago and Fabregas I am resound to no decent signings.
 
Every time i see him he never impresses for the whole 90, especially when he doesn't last the whole 90. Always seems to get substituted by Real and Germany. But then similar to someone like Zlatan or Rooney he has those moments of brilliance. The question is are the moments worth 40 odd mil when we have players capable of the moments already at the club.

I also feel that if we signed him now Kagawa really wouldn't have the chance in the side that he deserves. Last season he was just about gelling with the side and he got injured, this season I would like us to give him a good run out.

If we sign fellaini and play him along side Carrick, this would allow the players we already have to flourish further forward. We need someone to replace Fletcher/ Hargreaves rather than someone to replace a player still at the club.

If the chance came up to sign him for 20mil or less then it would be silly not to make the move. But 40 mil is silly money for a player we don't need.
 
They would never sell their best player, who has shown absolutely no sign of wanting to leave, to us, especially given how we've completely dismissed their Rooney bids.
 
Cina said:
They would never sell their best player, who has shown absolutely no sign of wanting to leave, to us, especially given how we've completely dismissed their Rooney bids.
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On reflection, this.
 
Cina said:
They would never sell their best player, who has shown absolutely no sign of wanting to leave, to us, especially given how we've completely dismissed their Rooney bids.
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I wouldn't have thought so either, but there have been rumours that Jose doesn't fancy Mata, and now we see him trying to sign Willian, who it has to be said, would be a very expensive Mata back up.

I am speculating here of course Cina, but Jose is said to be preparing another bid for Rooney, given our growing desperation for a top quality midfielder, could the acquisition of Willian pave the way for some sort of swap deal?

Unlikely i know, but this way neither club loses face by selling one of their top players to a major rival, because neither can be seen to have been weakened, and both can claim to have been strengthened by bringing in what they need.

All pie in the sky at this point, but Willian's signing would not be good news for Mata, and personally i cannot see Rooney being happy staying at Utd and not getting an improved contract and some assurances regarding playing time.
 
I dont think Chelsea would sell Mata, especially to us, the team they are trying to get ahead of unless Mourinho values Rooney THAT highly that he is willing to let Mata be a part of that trade. I wouldnt want that as a Chelsea fan. Mata has more professionalism than Rooney can ever dream of.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I dont think Chelsea would sell Mata, especially to us, the team they are trying to get ahead of unless Mourinho values Rooney THAT highly that he is willing to let Mata be a part of that trade. I wouldnt want that as a Chelsea fan. Mata has more professionalism than Rooney can ever dream of.
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If Mourinho does let Mata leave it'll be because he doesn't fit into the way he wants the team to play. Mourinho always strikes me as a manager who knows exactly the type of players he wants in his system and isn't afraid to get rid of big reputations who won't fit in. It might be that he feels Mata doesn't have the pace of players like Hazard/Oscar/Willian, or something like that. Seems stupid to me as Mata is quality but you never know.
 
sullydnl said:
If Mourinho does let Mata leave it'll be because he doesn't fit into the way he wants the team to play. Mourinho always strikes me as a manager who knows exactly the type of players he wants in his system and isn't afraid to get rid of big reputations who won't fit in. It might be that he feels Mata doesn't have the pace of players like Hazard/Oscar/Willian, or something like that. Seems stupid to me as Mata is quality but you never know.
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Mata's relative lack of pace is the biggest reason I can see for Mourinho perhaps not fancying him.

One thing's for sure - he can't fit all of these attacking midfielders in.
 
£40m is a good price for his age and profile.


I would be over the moon if it happened but it won't. We simply do not have the ability to pull of signings like this for whatever reason.
 
How would Kagawa fit in if we bought Ozil?

And where would Rooney fit in, as selling to Chelsea doesn't make much sense.

Those are the 2 obvious massive questions!
 
Sandikan said:
How would Kagawa fit in if we bought Ozil?

And where would Rooney fit in, as selling to Chelsea doesn't make much sense.

Those are the 2 obvious massive questions!
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Kagawa would be on the left of the three behind RvP. Ozil is a better player than Kagawa, I'd have no problem moving Kagawa from the centre if Ozil came. They'd move around quite a bit anyway.

I don't think we'd sign Ozil unless Rooney was leaving. One of several reasons the Ozil deal seems unlikely.
 
Mesut Ozil is the latest footballer to be swung head first into the Manchester United rumour mill. It's been bubbling for over a week but he's on the back page of tomorrow's Daily Star, along with Gareth Bale doing his best Cristiano Ronaldo impression. The headline is 'Moyes Raid For Ozil' and the newspaper say that Manchester United are poised to make a £30m bid for the Real Madrid man.
This story could have been inspired by an article in today's German newspaper Bild which has excited some Manchester United fans. However, Bild clearly state that all their information was from English newspapers and Spanish transfer TV show Punto Pelota. The TV show has been pushing the Ozil line for over a week and when they started it we did an article on the dangers of trusting Punto Pelota, that still stands.

Nevertheless, it looks increasingly likely that Ozil could be available if a club were willing to pay a decent fee for him. For all the talk of a Gareth Bale deal paying for itself, he's hardly at the Cristiano Ronaldo level of fame and he's not likely to be catapulted there just because he's signed for Real Madrid. The club are probably going to be looking at selling players to balance the books.

Spanish broadsheet El Confidencial appear to be readying the ground for sales out of Real Madrid and the two main people being mentioned are Karim Benzema and Ozil.

In a world where everyone assumes all Spanish newspapers spout nonsense at a rate which couldn't be matched by our own guardians of truth, it's worth pointing out that El Confidencial are quite different and anyone with a passing knowledge of the Spanish sport media would know that. For a start they don't produce a lot of stories and they seem to have information direct from Real Madrid quite often, helping the club jockey itself into position on a number of issues.

When Real Madrid gradually increased what they publicly wanted for Gonzalo Higuain, it was El Confidencial who were ahead on a daily basis and whilst some news sources in England were talking of a Higuain medical, El Confidencial were saying a bid hadn't even been made and there were other clubs becoming interested.

That's not to say that the newspaper always get it right, of course they don't, but throwing them into the Spanish melting point would be ignorant.


Last Saturday El Confidencial said that Real Madrid were getting cheesed off with Ozil because they thought his camp were behind the Manchester United rumours, with the intention of making the Spanish club hurry up and offer him a new deal. The German international's current deal ends in June 2015 and despite much talk of a renewal, nothing has happened.

It was claimed that Ozil wanted a contract totaling €7m a year which doesn't sound a huge deal, he was said to be unhappy that players such as Kaka were paid so much more than him. El Confidencial said that no offers had been received and talk of such was false, making Real Madrid so angry they were ready to sell him for the right price.

Whilst the Punto Pelota, Bild and perhaps Daily Star articles are probably based on speculation, it's safe to speculate that Real Madrid are prepared for a sale. If Manchester United are interested then this would certainly be a whole lot easier than the Cesc Fabregas operation was.
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They usually do a good job of summing the rumours up but I think they're overstating Madrid being happy to let him go.
 
I wonder how many players have used Manchester United to get a pay rise....

Quite a few I'd say - Add Ozil to the list
 
Sandikan said:
How would Kagawa fit in if we bought Ozil?

And where would Rooney fit in, as selling to Chelsea doesn't make much sense.

Those are the 2 obvious massive questions!
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You didn't play Kagawa so there seems little point, mind you Moyes may have other ideas.
 
peterstorey said:
You didn't play Kagawa so there seems little point, mind you Moyes may have other ideas.
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In about two games when he isn't still 100% fit because he missed the majority of pre-season. Means feck all at the moment.

But if Ozil comes, I think that Rooney will go. Ozil as No.10, while Kagawa and Danny to fight for the left spot.
 
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