Oh yeah, well I was working under the assumption that Ozil wouldn't be our only signing. I'd imagine whatever money we were gonna spend should still be there, we would just be re-investing any Rooney money straight in to another star player. I'm right in the camp saying we have to get a Carrick alternative.
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Oh yeah, well I was working under the assumption that Ozil wouldn't be our only signing. I'd imagine whatever money we were gonna spend should still be there, we would just be re-investing any Rooney money straight in to another star player. I'm right in the camp saying we have to get a Carrick alternative.
I think we'd all prefer a top class cm, but who is available? Fabregas and Modric apparently aren't, Gundogan isn't leaving Dortmund this summer, so who? If there is no top cm available then wouldn't we be better off with something like Fellaini + Ozil? We'd be stronger than we were last year and we'd be able to go for a top cm next year if one becomes available.
I didn't suggest it was a good tactic. Though it certainly spooked Barcelona into wondering, what's up with Cesc, so it may have been his agent's suggestion.
The situation's different in Madrid, we have a commercial contact in Mendes who knows the club and its players well. We've sold to them in the past and may still have some relationships, that bypass some of the intermediaries, despite our personnel changes and theirs.
I know it's too late now but if we are throwing £35-£40m around for Cesc, would Dortmund turn that down for Gundogan? I wonder what they value him at, considering their top talent Gotze went for about £37m didn't he?
I'd be happy with Fellaini at this stage, or even Cabaye. Both would improve the squad as a whole but whether they are potentially top class for us in that position is debatable. If I had a choice I would want Wilshere, he's got everything we need.
If they're too good to turn down that rather implies that if on offer they actually are too good to turn down.
Dortmund have proven with Lewandowski that it wouldn't be easy to take a player from them unless they're willing to sell, plus I don't think Gundogan wanted to leave Dortmund this year anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if he waited until a position came available at Barca or Real, he's one of the few cms who would improve either of their teams.
Wilshere would be perfect but would Arsenal realistically sell to us? No chance I think, especially with the pressure they're already under. On top of that I'd like to see Wilshere go through an extended period without injury before spending big money on him.
If there middle is so bad why do they keep winning the dreaded 'midfield battle' Whats the difference from City added Fernandinho to us adding Fellaini? End of the day you dont turn down the chance to sign Ozil whether you have a weak goalkeeper, defence or midfield.
Who win the midfield battle, Chelsea? Well not sure if they do but if they did it's because they have 5 narrow players against our 5 spread out players, Mata, Hazard both come inside and Oscar will play deeper than Rooney. In contrast we have typically had Nani and Valencia wide, or wingers who play wide and so we get outnumbered in the middle but as a result we get more joy outwide. But in terms of the actual central midfielders Lampard and Ramirez/Mikel compared to Carrick Clev is at the very least even imo.
As for Ozil I'm not saying we should say no entirely to him I'm just saying if we had 40m to spend and could get a top class central midfielder I'd chose that over a top class attacking midfielder, especially if we could keep Rooney or even if we let him go given Kagawa could come there. We've got players who can be stars to cover for Rooney if he did leave such that we wouldn't need a direct replacement, we don't have anyone who can be a star alongside Carrick though. To put in another way;
Carrick Modric/Fabregas
Kagawa
is stronger for me than
Carrick Clev
Ozil
Well firstly would say I was making the point that I think signing a top central midfielder would make us stronger than signing Ozil. Secondly I don't think we know that Modric isn't for sale anymore than we know Ozil is and also who knows how the Fabregas bid would have gone if we'd have gone with a good bid of around 40m. But as I said the point was more about a top midifelder. Additionally I'd happily take Ozil as a replacement for Rooney, I just think a top central midfielder would serve us better when we have players who can be top players in Kagawa and long term Welbeck.
That's a very simplistic view of how a midfield works. Creativity isn't just a quota you have to fill somewhere on the pitch and after that the rest of the positions can just be filled by 'good enough' players. Yes, Rooney, Nani, Kagawa and the rest of them are very creative, a superb set of players. Ozil would make them even stronger. But if the central midfield is weak, piling a surfeit of great players into other positions doesn't solve the problem.
Who's Man City's central creative finger. Oh, I don't know, Yaya Toure?
Personally I'm a Cleverley fan, and whilst I accept that he's no Gundogan, Wilshere or Fabregas, I think he is a gifted CM, with the potential to be very creative. But if you only rate him as a 'good enough', functional sort of player, then just replacing Rooney with Ozil higher up the pitch wouldn't solve that. It just sounds like an excuse for spending loads of money on a player we don't really need when we haven't gone out and spent money on a player for the position where we clearly do need reinforcement.
If we were really planning to offer £45m, then there are excellent midfielders for sale. Or at least there were earlier in the summer. Maybe not Modric and Fabregas, but top quality midfielders nonetheless.
Mata or Ozil?
Forget that to get Mata we would more than likely have to part with Rooney, what do we reckon?
I think Mata is more of a goal threat that's for sure, but who is more creative? Tough one.
Mata has premier league experience, but Ozil has been to Spain and done it so there's likely to be less intention of going there in the future. If this is even something we should consider.
Forget that to get Mata we would more than likely have to part with Rooney, what do we reckon?
I think Mata is more of a goal threat that's for sure, but who is more creative? Tough one.
Mata has premier league experience, but Ozil has been to Spain and done it so there's likely to be less intention of going there in the future. If this is even something we should consider.
Mata would be cheaper, has PL experience and is a bigger goal threat. Ozil is slightly younger, has played for longer at the highest level and gets around 25 assists per season (though that is while playing with Ronaldo)
Tough call.
Except a worrying injury record. wilshire is class, but he keeps on getting injured. I think he has actually been out for longer than he has been in. Too big a risk at this point in my view.
I think Mata might have been to Spain too. So no reason for him to want to go there again.
Lol, if it's not Barcelona or Madrid then it's not Spain.
Not even convinced about Ozil as a central player. He seems to have his best games in the wider positions, or when given a free role, and he doesn't seem to control games. Very clever player, but I would definitely go Mata, given the choice. Mata can do everything Ozil can do, but he can also run games from the middle and scores plenty of goals too.
I think there's more to come from Ozil though. He's only 24 and has been playing in a team that doesn't always tend to get the best out of its players. If he was here he'd have the team built around him, I think he'd improve. I also think Mata is more similar to Kagawa, whereas Ozil and Kagawa would probably compliment each other quite well. Ozil has more pace than Mata too, would suit a counter attacking team more (if that's how we're going to play in Europe).
Don't disagree with any of that. I certainly wouldn't be against signing Ozil, but in a choice between the 2 I would still have to opt for mata. Mata just looks more of a threat in midfield to me than Ozil, though it's a good point regarding Madrid, I don't really think they have used him as well as they could have. Mata has also proved himself in the PL and just looks a better bet for me at this point.
But don't get me wrong, i would gladly take either of them in a heartbeat!
How can we make an opening bid of 45 million for Ozil and yet mess about with paltry offers for Fabregas (a player we actually need)...
We should go for him. For a start Moyes and him would definitely see eye to eye.
You forget that Ozil's people tortured Moyes in the dungeons of Barad-Dur.
"For 45m Euros he can leave!"
It then quotes Punto Pelota though, so no there's nothing new there.
How many languages do you speak?!
The transfer forum should be locked and open only to jojojo. What a specimen this man is. His powerful aura allows him to calm the hysteria in a few succinct sentences.
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Caf reaction to trying to sign Fabregas: feck sake, shitty bids being made for a great player, Woody is rubbish!
Caf reaction to trying to sign Ozil: feck sake, 45m for a great player now? Woody is rubbish!
Caf reaction to trying to sign Ozil: feck sake, 45m for a great player now? Woody is rubbish!
Seriously guys, learn to use google translate. If you run that article through it, the headline will be: "ÖZIL for 45 million euros he can go" - which is pretty straightforward.
If he is available, we should snap their fecking hands off.
If he came here, he would instantly be one of the best 5 players in the league.
If he came here, he would instantly be one of the best 5 players in the league.
Have you seen the people in here? There only has to be one minor grammatical error and it will send people mental. There are people watching Ronaldo's body language ffs!
Swiftly taking Carroll's place as #5 I'd wager.
I'd certainly love us to buy him. He's a great player. Problem would only be where to fit him in, especially when Rooney stays.
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