Agree, can't be true, if it was one of our deals it would be £12m plus various add ons...
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Agree, can't be true, if it was one of our deals it would be £12m plus various add ons...
Is he reliable Jo?
This has been the best Summer ever in terms of being linked with players and the worst in actually getting them.
He kinda is, that guy is a regular on a french radio station "RMC", he's their expert in Spanish football and regularly gives insightful comments on that league.
They have experts all over Europe and sometimes they challenge themselves to have the biggest headline or something.
I mean he is knowledgeable when it comes to Spanish football and transfers in general but I don't know about this one, seems unlikely to me.
Yeah really agree, both great players but we need Fabregas a lot more
providing that 45 mil bid is/was true.....how the feck would Woody justify a 25 mil for Fiberglass?
Both are stupid bids but the Fabregas one beats everything I've seen transferwise....well apart from Bebe, Carroll and Torres fees.
Both are stupid bids but the Fabregas one beats everything I've seen transferwise....well apart from Bebe, Carroll and Torres fees.
It depends which reporter is talking - it's a chat show with some regulars, and a range of guests - from the serious to the trivial.
This story started a week or so ago with Siri Lopez saying that Ozil was nervous about the future and that United had been sniffing around and were considering a bid. This week he and Pedrerol confirmed that Madrid are expecting a bid.
Madrid expecting a bid - based on the show's track record and the reporters saying it - is probably true.
Us actually bidding? I doubt they know anything about how serious we are.
Um...
He mostly plays on the right hand side of the '3' for Real, as I acknowledged, but he still sometimes plays in the middle of the 3 (#10 position) for Germany.
Yes he was. Read his posts back, he's saying that Ozil is so good that you can put him next to a very defensive partner in the CM. Which of course is wrong, he's too attacking to play there.
That sounds rather ominous. Are we going to make them an offer they can't refuse?
This is how I feel. Obviously I'd never object to a player of Ozil's quality, but why spend 40-45m on him and not on a CM like Fabregas in the position that we actually need to strengthen.
yes, poorly worded on my part.
If we get Ozil for 45 mil then it's a fair price for him.
If Eddie opens negotiations with a 45 mil bid and finishes paying north of 55 mil then it's getting stupid imo.
Obviously motm is subjective but there's no way Di Maria was better than him at the Bernabeu imo, he didn't even play the full game. Anyway, the point is enough people were praising Ozil to suggest he was at least one of (if not the) best players on the pitch, which is impressive when you consider how underwhelming most of his team mates were.
In that match day thread Di Maria and Alonso get praised but nowhere near as much as Ozil. He certainly turned up for that game:
Ozil is good, isn't he.
Hrm, we should maybe mark that Ozil fella.
Their no10 just ozes class
Ozil is on his game.
Ozil is turning on the class
Ozil is getting the freedom of the pitch to do what he wants
Jones is starting to stop the likes of Ozil and Ronaldo and he's not doing it
These touches from Ozil.
Özil and Di María magnificent.
Ozil and Ronaldo have been very good.
Ozil is a very clever player
Ozil has been really bright for them hasn't he
As for Ozil v Kagawa, Ozil has proven himself at a higher level than Kagawa, at more clubs than Kagawa, for a longer period than Kagawa. They're both only 24 but Ozil has proven more and has a much higher ceiling imo.
Yeah if we're gonna actually cough up £40m then ideally spend it on a central midfielder, even if we were just trying our luck, Fabregas, Gundogen, Vidal, one of them would have been worth a try for that sort of money, probably a bit late now for all of them though. Even Modric earlier in the window before Alonso's injury. Obv contingent on if the players want to move, but either way better than offering under 30m for Fabregas.
Guess the only thing would be if they think we'd need another attacker to cover if Rooney goes and the 40m is being partly funded by what we'd get for Rooney.
I remember Di Maria having an excellent game at the Bernabeu, but I wouldn't say Ozil was any better, they both had great games.
As for this potential signing, just buy him. Pay whatever they want, I don't care.
As for this potential signing, just buy him. Pay whatever they want, I don't care.
If there's £40m going round it needs spending on Modric not Ozil.
Either or. They'd both improve our squad.
Because Fabregas wasn't really for sale (and we were just trying to flush out a reaction) whereas Ozil is, at the right price?
The feeling is that we've been sniffing around Madrid over the summer, waiting for the fallout for them buying Isco, Illarramendi and presumably Bale. If it's true then someone has told us that Modric's a non-starter and presumably given us a guide price for Ozil (and Ronaldo of course
)We don't need an Ozil and the hassle of finding a system to play him in, we've got enough of that with Kagawa. We need a Modric i.e. someone who knows how to play in central midfield.
True. Around 45 Mil. € represent his current market value in my eyes. Although looking back in this thread, I probably don´t rate him as high as some on here and don´t necesseraly think he is the strongest German offensive player at the moment like some suggested (Müller´s last season was undoubtly stronger and Götze´s and Reus´ were at least on his level), it would still be a huge signing for United.
In the right setup Özil could lit the PL on fire. Don´t expect him to be the one to push the team forward when being behind, though. He is at his best when there is a good flow in the game and I will never really see him as a real lead player, tbh. For that job United has other players, though.
The deal would probably also cement Kagawa´s status as left winger at United instead of being the potential successor of Rooney and the role as CAM.
Modric would fill a bigger gap in our team but Ozil is the better player, he'd be like RvP in the sense that it's a signing you really can't pass up. Signing him would also allow us to let Rooney go, removing one of the issues surrounding the team. Ozil + Fellaini would win us the league imo.
Fellaini - Carrick
Nani - Ozil - Kagawa
RvP
Then we can try and sign the top class cm we need next year.
Well Modric isn't available and if we get Ozil we don't need Modric.. Fellaini will do. So do the math
He's one of my favourite players to watch like. If we could get him we really should go all out for him, he's in the same bracket as Van Persie was in being too good to miss out on.
We'd still need to sort out midfield like but it would be stupid of us not to go after Ozil if he wants out.
We'd still need to sort out midfield like but it would be stupid of us not to go after Ozil if he wants out.
Because Fabregas wasn't really for sale (and we were just trying to flush out a reaction) whereas Ozil is, at the right price?
The feeling is that we've been sniffing around Madrid over the summer, waiting for the fallout for them buying Isco, Illarramendi and presumably Bale. If it's true then someone has told us that Modric's a non-starter and presumably given us a guide price for Ozil (and Ronaldo of course
I agree that sounds like the likely situation at the moment.
I just think that if we really had £45m to offer for Ozil, then there must be a top midfielder out there who we could have got with it. There aren't many players whose clubs wouldn't at least consider a £45m bid for them. Of course it's possible (probable, really) that we aren't planning any such offer and it's all bollocks.
I'd rather keep the money than spend £40m on Ozil just because he might be available. I think he's a superb player but I guess I just don't rate him as high as some on here.
Unless it's Ronaldo I want the next big money to be spent on what actually needs strengthening, i.e. a top class central midfield partner for Carrick.
Like someone said.. you want to know the player and club are willing before you offer that kind of money. It seems Ozil was offered to us we just had to come up with the price (guess work here).
I think though Ozil would only get bought if we sold Rooney and if we can't get in a top midfielder he would make a great Rooney replacement.
Getting Ozil does not remove the need for a top CM partner for Carrick. We already have great players like Rooney and Kagawa for those AM positions, who don't stop us from needing good CMs. A creative CM and a creative AM do very different jobs, and no matter how good the latter you still need the former.
I would like to think that Kagawa would become more vital to us should Rooney be sold. Ozil would probably push Kagawa further out of the reckoning.
Ronaldo is not get-able for £40m and stop worrying about price its not yours and top clubs are spouting these figure left right and centre. Who's available for £40m that is arguable worth that value... Modric, Fabregas i'd say and neither are available right now. You can not offer that money for it to be rejected it messes up your strategy.
Not necessarily as has already been covered in this thread, could easily start one slightly wider with license to drift inside, just how Silva plays. Plus if Rooney were sold we would need another star to replace him imo, if we couldn't get a top cm like Fabregas to be that star than bringing in Ozil would be great for me.
Spot on. Moreover, i see Januzaj's style as very similar to Ozil. At the moment we desperately need a Fellaini type of player - may it be Fellaini or someone else cause if Carrick gets crocked we will be in deep shit.
Creative? We have Rooney Kagawa Nani and if you add Ozil would creativity do you need. All that is needed is for someone to give them the ball. I have enough faith Cleverley Carrick and say Fellaini could do that. Who's Man City's central creative figure? Same for Chelsea? What they have is great players in the final 3rd that do that for them. If we want to persist with wingers then you would be right.
Because Fabregas wasn't really for sale (and we were just trying to flush out a reaction) whereas Ozil is, at the right price?
The feeling is that we've been sniffing around Madrid over the summer, waiting for the fallout for them buying Isco, Illarramendi and presumably Bale. If it's true then someone has told us that Modric's a non-starter and presumably given us a guide price for Ozil (and Ronaldo of course
I don't know what you're saying here. If we were willing to sell Nani at the right price, say £25m, and someone offered us £10m, it would flush out a reaction - get f****d.
The only sure test of a player's availability is a good offer. Which we never made for Fabregas. (Bale was unsellable, until Madrid started talking big money.)
I hope we do get Ozil, even for 45 million. But I really wish we had offered that for Fabregas.
The assumption would be that we get Fellaini anyway, Ozil would be a replacement for Rooney and would be separate from the cm situation (except that he would take some of the creative burden off the cms, which would probably help a player like Fellaini).
The problem would still be there though. i.e. what if Carrick gets injured. Ozil can't play that position. Unless we are just going to outscore teams and win games 4-3. These floating technical players that play in the final third are lovely to watch but the whole team would work better with that one top quality midfielder sitting alongside Carrick.
Well Chelsea are missing in the middle just as much as we are, maybe more. City have spent big on Fernandinho, maybe two much but he and Toure form a very powerful midfield. It's got a much better base for it's attacking players. Our partners for Carrick can't offer that base at all and neither have the attacking ability to compensate for it. Additionally for my money I'd say the way mata, oscar, havard play, all bouncing of each other, lends itself to not needing a big, deeper creative force, with the way we play with our attackers more fixed, getting the right ball to a Valencia/Nani is imperative to put them in a position to beat their man. I think the loss of Scholes from the team, especially his range could well have led to the wingers performance dropping because we lost the guy who could ping a ball to feet over 50 yards right to a winger, high up the pitch to take his man on. Now with Clev with a much shorter range it forces the wingers to start deeper and I don't think it suits them.
Bang on. I'm sure there's loads of top attackers available at the right price who would like to come here, so should we get them all just because they are "too good to turn down" and keep neglecting the actual problem?
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