it's not really a case of fitness issues, more so controlling how much he runs around, he mainly gets knackered for Madrid because he's often forced to compensate for the lack of tracking and pressing by others. He generally has no problems consistently playing full games for Germany.
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it's not really a case of fitness issues, more so controlling how much he runs around, he mainly gets knackered for Madrid because he's often forced to compensate for the lack of tracking and pressing by others. He generally has no problems consistently playing full games for Germany.
Because he does feck all defensively and still takes his time outs during the game where he's nowhere to be seen. He has been our most productive player in the last 18 months, but I'm not sure if he does enough in the big games to justify his free role.
He's still your best player though (a bold statement to make considering that team), or at least best attacking player, generally that's what the best attacker gets, a free role.
There was a throwaway line at the end.of ESPNs article about arsenals pursuit of Benzema and Di Maria that suggested we might go for Ozil. Which just confirms for me that the media are a raging pack of sadistic trolls.
Still, how good would Ozil be for Arsenal.
Still, how good would Ozil be for Arsenal.
Not sure how he'll fit in our team unless we drop Kagawa. Would rather spend the £40 million on a friggin CM.
Who cares if we drop Kagawa? He isn't a patch on Ozil.
This is RVP all over again. Ozil is a super player. If he comes I'll be happy.
Aye, if we can't get Ronaldo then he would be amazing. Can't see the discussion here, if he is available to sign we should go for it as he is a world class player and would be instantly the best player in our team aside from Van Persie.
If there's any truth in it then I say buy. Players like Ozil don't come around often and you buy them regardless. Moyes can mull over how to fit Kagawa and Ozil into the team afterwards. We can play Ozil toward the left or right out of a front 3.
We won't be addressing our team's weakness.... CM. Modric would improve our team more imo.
If he isn't good enough to justify a free role, he shouldn't get one. Just because he's the most spectacular and eye pleasing player, Germany has seen since Netzer, he isn't untouchable, especially not with Götze and Kroos waiting in line for that position.
That's great. Now find a CM worth 40m that's available...
Yup, I remember at the time going "Do we really need RvP, it'd mean dropping Hernandez/Welbeck", but I now regret ever having that opinion. It's basically a case of a player being so good that you shouldn't really give a feck about their impact on lesser players.
Funny thing is, the people who are worried about signing Ozil are saying so because it'd put Kagawa out of the team, but so far, Moyes hasn't even played Kagawa or shown signs that he thinks he's an important player for us, if anything, Welbeck would be the one pushed out.
We didn't do it when we bought RvP either. Special players deserve special circumstances.
Well, a) Modric most likely isn't available (not that I'm saying Ozil is mind) and b) Signing Ozil doesn't mean we can't sign a midfielder as well.
I think Ozil is more available than Modric is. Less versatile position wise and they'd get more money for him. Plus the arrival of Bale would have more of an impact on him than Modric.
But yeah, still very unlikely.
I don't know, I'm not the scouting department. Spurs have had no troubles strengthening their team with £30 million buys. The players are out there we just don't seem to want to spend any money on them.
Signing Ozil would of course improve us (not on the same level as RvP) but it would count for little if Carrick picks up a niggle before a quarter final CL game against Barca or Bayern and we line up with a world class front line... and Jones + Cleverley.
This doesn't mean I still wouldn't release a serious amount of jizz if we signed Ozil.
I doubt the club would let signing Ozil interfere with our need to sign a midfielder, the fact that we're still bidding on them clearly indicates that. Moyes isn't dumb. I've made my feelings on our midfield clear many times in the past and it will be absolutely silliness if we don't at least get one in, but ... it's Ozil!
Is anyone half-decent linking him with us?
But there's no point not taking the context with it. Kagawa could have played two matches, the Community Shield and the first league game. He couldn't play the first game because he barely had a pre-season with us and after spending so much time with Japan it was clear he was going to be rested, which is why he only played the last 10 minutes. The first league game I imagine was again because he wasn't fully fit or ready, and given we were playing Swansea away - a very opening game - it made sense to go with players who would have been in better condition. I really don't think you can take anything from Kagawa not playing those two games.
Not one of them 30m Spurs buys would make a difference here. We never had any midfield troubles when Ronaldo Tevez and Rooney were upfront. Basically if the attack is solid all we really need is a Fellaini for now until we identify the quality ball player.
He'd possibly be more of a replacement for the role Giggs is playing in, starting from the left but mostly drifting in side and looking to create things (admittedly this rumour is almost certainly bollocks).
Its been circulating for a while. I wouldn't rule it out. It actually makes sense but then again so did Thiago.
Valid points, still, I don't think Kagawa has done remotely enough here yet for people to assume he'll be a first choice player for us, let alone the idea that signing a player as good as Ozil wouldn't be a good thing because it'd have a negative impact on the game time Kagawa would get.
Ozil's poor showings happen when Madrid's link play collapses and vice versa.
When they're playing badly against a tough team, they go from a 4-3-3 to 43------3
Ozil's poor at being the forward who links to the team together again, Di Maria and (yes, even) Ronaldo do it better - whether that's stamina, aptitude, attitude, tactics or something else I don't know. It is why Isco will probably get the attacking third man job in the midfield 3 or nick Ozil's place in the middle of the forwards though.
How solid are the rumours? The people who reported are serious Real Madrid reporters who are probably in a position to know what the club (and possibly the player) are expecting - which is a temptingly large bid. What the reporters wouldn't know is how serious we are.
When they're playing badly against a tough team, they go from a 4-3-3 to 43------3
Ozil's poor at being the forward who links to the team together again, Di Maria and (yes, even) Ronaldo do it better - whether that's stamina, aptitude, attitude, tactics or something else I don't know. It is why Isco will probably get the attacking third man job in the midfield 3 or nick Ozil's place in the middle of the forwards though.
How solid are the rumours? The people who reported are serious Real Madrid reporters who are probably in a position to know what the club (and possibly the player) are expecting - which is a temptingly large bid. What the reporters wouldn't know is how serious we are.
Agree with that too, although I do believe he will be a first choice for us anyway, but I think we can still get Ozil if he's available without pushing him out. I'd love the slack-eyed mutant.
We often suffer from the same problem and as it's looking very unlikely that midfield will be fixed, I'd imagine we'd have plenty of games where Özil is ineffective because of that.
I think he'd probably be first choice in around 60% of games on the left and then get a few games in the middle too, therefore it would push him up to a regular here. Imagination a trio of Kagawa, Ozil and Nani behind RvP, it would be electric.
I'm imaginationing it. It's beautiful.
Ozil + Fellaini
Ozil + Fellaini
Khedira would be cheaper - probably.
Damn.
Very powerful runner too with the ball at his feet. Think he's deceptively quick. No chance of him getting knocked off the ball as much as Kagawa did early on (who is also improving in that aspect before somebody starts)
Özil wouldn't just affect Kagawa, both Rooney and Welbeck play in that position too. By the looks of it, Kagawa is the last one who should be worried about Özil, since I think we will use Kagawa mostly on the left this season too.
I saw people had Xabi Alonso as man of the match, yet those two performances were one of the worst he has played for Madrid. Lot of players in his positions tend to look dangerous, but in the end they create nothing, which can be said about Oezil too in those games. If you don't believe me, be my guest and watch those performances I posted, he didn't create that much at all. If anything, Di Maria was much more dangerous in their first game at Bernabeu IMO.
How do you know that no club in their right mind would have Ozil ahead of Kagawa? That's just guessing, nothing more.
I agree with that, Madrid under Mourinho didn't really suit him that much, I was just pointing how regulary he fades in big games, including those against us.
Balu explained how he has same problems in their NT too, so that would probably mean that fading in big games is Oezil's personal problem, and that that has nothing to do with the team around him.
I saw people had Xabi Alonso as man of the match, yet those two performances were one of the worst he has played for Madrid. Lot of players in his positions tend to look dangerous, but in the end they create nothing, which can be said about Oezil too in those games. If you don't believe me, be my guest and watch those performances I posted, he didn't create that much at all. If anything, Di Maria was much more dangerous in their first game at Bernabeu IMO.
How do you know that no club in their right mind would have Ozil ahead of Kagawa? That's just guessing, nothing more.
I agree with that, Madrid under Mourinho didn't really suit him that much, I was just pointing how regulary he fades in big games, including those against us.
Balu explained how he has same problems in their NT too, so that would probably mean that fading in big games is Oezil's personal problem, and that that has nothing to do with the team around him.
He's had some brilliant games for Madrid against Barcelona.
Swap Ozil for Rooney (OK and a bit of cash maybe).
Madrid can then sell Benzema and Di Maria to Arsenal.
Madrid recover most of what they will spend on Bale and all three teams end up with better formations/fits. Perfect
Madrid can then sell Benzema and Di Maria to Arsenal.
Madrid recover most of what they will spend on Bale and all three teams end up with better formations/fits. Perfect
Just imagine Ozil behind Van Persie (Chicha when rotating), Welbeck and Kagawa on the left side (with Kagawa playing at times in Ozil position), Nani and Valencia on the right side, Zaha and Januzaj being cover for the left and right side with Young diving for Aston Villa. With Fellaini behind all of them. Fantastic.
I didn't say he faded in the big games for the nationalteam, I said, he didn't do enough to justify his free role without any defensive duties.
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