£40m for Ozil | Deal to Arsenal confirmed

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Nate Dogg said:
Can't see Moyes having 2 floaters in the team, especially away from home.
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Why not, out of interest. I know he won't manage here the same way he did at Everton, but Everton is the only evidence we have about his tactical preferences, and there he favoured 'cut inside' type wide playmakers and attacking fullbacks.
 
Brightonian said:
That's conservative, he's not been at his best for them for a while. He'd have to prove it before I'd put him above Carrick and Rooney too.
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To be honest I feel that if we sign Ozil we'll sell Rooney, so I didn't bother putting him in there. Thought about Carrick, you could certainly argue that. Perhaps its better to say Ozil's potential (which hasn't been fully realized at Madrid) outstrips any but RVP and Vidic (maybe DDG) in our squad, imo.
 
Bebe said:
To be honest I feel that if we sign Ozil we'll sell Rooney, so I didn't bother putting him in there. Thought about Carrick, you could certainly argue that. Perhaps its better to say Ozil's potential (which hasn't been fully realized at Madrid) outstrips any but RVP and Vidic (maybe DDG) in our squad, imo.
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Maybe. I don't know if 'potential' is exactly the right word with Ozil, given that he's going on 25 now. I think we've seen the best of his game - around 2010/11 for both club and country, when he was unplayable - and we've also seen him be slightly underwhelming at times since. If he came to us and showed the former, he'd definitely be in our top three players. If he showed the latter, he'd probably be fourth/fifth-ish.

I agree with you that it wouldn't make sense for him to come unless Rooney left (in which case it would be an excellent move). I'm confident there's absolutely zero chance of either happening. I doubt we're even watching Ozil particularly, it's just standard media rumour-mongering.
 
sullydnl said:
Ozil is a far better player than Carrick.
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At his peak he has been. If you've actually watched him for the last two seasons, you'll know he's been underwhelming, regularly losing his place in the starting XI to Di Maria. Carrick, on the other hand, was magnificent last season.
 
About as apples and oranges a comparison as you can get. Carrick is one of the best in his position in the world, and likewise so is Ozil. Carrick has just come off the back of a better season.

I adore watching Ozil at his best, though. Hugely gifted player.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Can't see Moyes having 2 floaters in the team, especially away from home.
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Well Kagawa has never looked to shirk his defensive work as far as I can see, and in many ways it might make us tighter, presumably we'd be narrower and so probably able to win back possession quicker, with more players closer together, rather than at the moment where there's a lot of space between players, we'd probably keep the ball better. If he got the right partner for Carrick then I don't think that would be an issue.
 
The Mail are reporting that we've turned down the chance to sign him and Willian (strange given the Mail said yesterday that we were now interested in Willian) because Moyes doesn't think we need that type of player and he's increasingly confident of getting Fellaini. Rightio
 
Brightonian said:
At his peak he has been. If you've actually watched him for the last two seasons, you'll know he's been underwhelming, regularly losing his place in the starting XI to Di Maria. Carrick, on the other hand, was magnificent last season.
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He's been underwhelming compared to his best. Even on poor days he's a special player. You wouldn't find many non-United fans who'd put Carrick anywhere near Ozil's level.
 
sullydnl said:
He's been underwhelming compared to his best. Even on poor days he's a special player. You wouldn't find many non-United fans who'd put Carrick anywhere near Ozil's level.
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Here's one:

peterstorey said:
Carrick is more consistent at doing his less glamorous job than Ozil.
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Besides, I'm obviously not talking about over the course of their careers. I've already said that when Ozil was at his best he was the better player. But last season Carrick was the better player. Probably the last two seasons, if you average them out.
 
Ozil at £40m wouldn't solve any of the problems we have and would probably mean that we'd give less games to Kagawa. For all the talk of a marquee signing, I think even someone like Khedira would be a better match in terms of what we're lacking, though he's not nearly as good a player.
 
RORY65 said:
The Mail are reporting that we've turned down the chance to sign him and Willian (strange given the Mail said yesterday that we were now interested in Willian) because Moyes doesn't think we need that type of player and he's increasingly confident of getting Fellaini. Rightio
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Can you give me the link mate?
Edit: Found it.
 
RORY65 said:
The Mail are reporting that we've turned down the chance to sign him and Willian (strange given the Mail said yesterday that we were now interested in Willian) because Moyes doesn't think we need that type of player and he's increasingly confident of getting Fellaini. Rightio
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Another one bites the dust....not bothered about Willian but would've preferred Ozil.
 
Brightonian said:
Maybe. I don't know if 'potential' is exactly the right word with Ozil, given that he's going on 25 now. I think we've seen the best of his game - around 2010/11 for both club and country, when he was unplayable - and we've also seen him be slightly underwhelming at times since. If he came to us and showed the former, he'd definitely be in our top three players. If he showed the latter, he'd probably be fourth/fifth-ish.

I agree with you that it wouldn't make sense for him to come unless Rooney left (in which case it would be an excellent move). I'm confident there's absolutely zero chance of either happening. I doubt we're even watching Ozil particularly, it's just standard media rumour-mongering.
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I think you can still use potential in that he hasn't taken his game to a consistently excellent level, which his talent is very capable of. I wouldn't say Van Persie reached his potential until he was 27. That was more about injury yes, but Ozil's spent the last few years at a club that has a habit of failing to get the best out of its players because they can't resist not buying more (Coentrao comes to mind). I feel that's held him back from becoming the player he could be.

I agree though, we're never signing him. I'm one of those who enjoys making up formations and what not though, so I'm in for the ride while it lasts.
 
That's actually a terrible article by Fail. One liner that's it.
 
We don't need another No.10 but I would instantly replace Rooney with Ozil and play Kagawa in the left. On his best days, he's the best No.10 in the world. Excellent player.
 
Carrick and RVP for me is the best in their respective position in the league, if Ozil came here he would be too.
 
Brophs said:
Ozil at £40m wouldn't solve any of the problems we have and would probably mean that we'd give less games to Kagawa. For all the talk of a marquee signing, I think even someone like Khedira would be a better match in terms of what we're lacking, though he's not nearly as good a player.
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We could play him with Kagawa, with another (Nani/Rooney) behind RVP. Carrick and a functional midfielder, with defensive abilities, in behind and we're sorted. You don't need creative midfielders if you have creativity further up. Someone beside Carrick who can win it and give it and let the creative types create.
 
I agree with The Nev.

I reckon we would all be fairly happy if we came out of the window with Fellaini and Ozil.
 
Can't see Madrid selling Ozil. At the end of last season the story was that Madrid would be willing to sell most of their players apart from Ozil and Ronaldo etc. The top guys at Madrid also seem to think he's the dogs bollock and have said he's as vital to the team as Ronaldo.
 
Personally I have lost any belief that we will sign a player this summer - but this I wouldn't believe in anyway.We really have been acting like amateurs this summer. Hopefully our team from last year will perform
 
We should be sealing Fellaini deal by now,

Even with fellaini we're still short in the middle, all it takes is carrick to get injured and we're be in deep trouble

Chelsea and city won't likely to slip much this season
 
Real Madrid reckon Ozil is using Manchester United, but sale a possibility

When the Ozil rumours first surfaced in Spain earlier on this week we explained them and where they'd originated. We said that the TV programme Punto Pelota isn't the most reliable of sources but that they sometimes get stories fed from agents who are up to no good. Read the it here, it may help you understand the Ozil stories a bit better, because Punto Pelota were the first with the rumour and outlets in England appear to have picked up their £40m claim.

Fast forward to today and the more reliable Spanish broadsheet El Confidencial, who have excellent links to Real Madrid, reckon they know exactly what is going on. They claim that Real Madrid are getting tired of agents linking their players to other
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in order to get them the renewal they want. Mesut Ozil is the man singled out and the link with Manchester United is mentioned too.

El Confidencial say Real Madrid think that Ozil is trying to force the club into agreeing to a €7m per year deal which his representatives put forward back in April. There have been reports of an Ozil renewal all summer, but nothing has actually happened which has perhaps led the people surrounding the
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to push matters a little. The German international has a contract running until 2016 so Real Madrid could quite comfortably wait another year before giving him a pay rise, but the moves appear to be coming from Ozil's side.

The newspaper say that the player is unhappy because he sees that Kaka is on €10m a year and isn't as big a part of the side as he is. Real Madrid haven't received any bid for the player and aren't offering him around, which contradicts some reports, but his agent has been feeding the media untruths, and what better place to feed them to than Punto Pelota?

The bids are labelled as 'ghost offers', because they don't really exist.

Real Madrid try all the tricks in the book to make renewals happen on their terms and also when signing
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, so it's a bit of a cheek for them to then leak that they are so aghast when a player does the same. El Confidencial even say that the situation has become so fractured that if a firm proposal does come in the club would look at the situation. It's them turning the tables on Ozil, so what was merely a leak by an agent trying to get his client a better deal could lead to the player ending up on the market.
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from sport witness
 
Sky1981 said:
We should be sealing Fellaini deal by now,

Even with fellaini we're still short in the middle, all it takes is carrick to get injured and we're be in deep trouble

Chelsea and city won't likely to slip much this season
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Maybe Moyes doesn't want him.
 
Sky1981 said:
We should be sealing Fellaini deal by now,

Even with fellaini we're still short in the middle, all it takes is carrick to get injured and we're be in deep trouble

Chelsea and city won't likely to slip much this season
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I'm not so sure, I'm not overly keen on fellaini but he would provide cover if carrick was out. Personally I think we can with the title with carrick and then one off clev/ando/giggs or in this case fellaini partnering him. I don't see how Chelsea's midfield is better than what we have now in all honesty. A better creative player than ando/clev would be good, I definitely think some games will be harder because of a lack of one, but I think we could still win the title with that bunch of players, although we'd still need some luck that carrick didn't get a long injury a even with fellaini covering the defensive side there would be a big dip in quality in the middle.
 
Sky1981 said:
We should be sealing Fellaini deal by now,

Even with fellaini we're still short in the middle, all it takes is carrick to get injured and we're be in deep trouble

Chelsea and city won't likely to slip much this season
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You mentioned injury to Carrick, the same could happen to Chelsea and City, only takes a couple of injuries to key players and all 3 will be short.
 
Ash_G said:
I'm not so sure, I'm not overly keen on fellaini but he would provide cover if carrick was out. Personally I think we can with the title with carrick and then one off clev/ando/giggs or in this case fellaini partnering him. I don't see how Chelsea's midfield is better than what we have now in all honesty. A better creative player than ando/clev would be good, I definitely think some games will be harder because of a lack of one, but I think we could still win the title with that bunch of players, although we'd still need some luck that carrick didn't get a long injury a even with fellaini covering the defensive side there would be a big dip in quality in the middle.
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Clev is young, ando is undependable and giggs is 40, carrick is 32 himself

We can still win with SAF, but Moyes, it's better to be stocked up than sorry

Plus we have 3 fronts to compete, surely there'll be enough game for 3 fit midfielder to fill (that's counting on fellaini comming)
 
LR7 said:
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Makes sense. Why do those freaking agents always choose us to get their players on better contracts though, it's furstrating.
Anyway how funny would that be if the story was true and the agent's efforts to get Özil a better contract would lead Real Madrid to actually sell him.
 
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