You said top-heavy, which reads as having too many options up front. However, they only have 3 recognised forwards (one of whom is aged 34) in the squad, whereas Utd have 6. I’m not sure that can reasonably be described as top-heavy.
That seems like an exaggeration.
Yea I would agree with you, I couldn't see him playing for RM.
Oh, my bad.
It is an exaggeration. The argument is also terrible, not being as high as Rai and Pauleta doesn't make you insignificant because the love for Rai and Pauleta is very difficult to describe especially Pauleta and in both cases it has more to do with their personalities and the context of their careers. Also Ronaldinho's time at PSG isn't actually that highly rated, he is appreciated but his time and PSG's performances were really forgettable.
Is Mbappe maybe less of a legend to PSG since it has been obvious for a while that he sees them as a stepping stone to Madrid? A bit like not everyone regards C. Ronaldo as a United legend?
No, we are just comparing him to the absolute top and there is a trend with PSG. In reality PSG isn't the club of the wealthy or fancy people, it's one of the club of the proletariat in spite of how it was created. Mbappé isn't humble and he isn't seen as a man of the people unlike Pauleta or Rai. Mbappé could stay 200 years at PSG and he wouldn't surpass Pauleta and frankly I don't think anyone is going to do it any time soon, Rai is a humble class act while Pauleta embodies what original PSG fans appreciate and keep in mind that he is as loved by Bordeaux fans. He is a bit like Ancelotti for managers.
One of the biggest German football magazines published an article on Wirtz' future this week and claims that Real Madrid is in the pole position for a move in 2025. They seemingly tasked one of their most reknown scouts, some guy called Felipe Martin, with bringing him to Madrid, and apparently document every appearance of his. The plan is to extend Kroos until 2025 and when he retires, moce Bellingham back to CM and give Wirtz the spot in AM. Wirtz himself apparently sees himself in Spain or England and has seemingly ditched the idea of an intermediary step at Bayern. Plus Alonso will likely move to Madrid in 2025 as well and the squad would be perfect for him.
That defense isn‘t young enough and that formation is lacking defensive players in general.
It's not much different to what he is playing with us. Frimpong and Grimaldo are very attacking oriented but there have also been games in which Adli and Tella, nominally two attackers, played as WBs. Especially since Rodrygo in particular has great work ethic.
You're talking nonsense. He's had 7 year / seasons.
Great for FIFA though
It is Madrid, although it´s a REAL useless move for him and the club. Vinicius is a superior player in his position. They´ll likely have won three CLs in recent memory. So what is he trying to accomplish? He can´t win in that situation.Rumour is....
It's not Madrid
Certainly not United
Noisy Neighbors?
I agree with a lot of your points but simply, there are things Ronaldo can do at his best that Mbappe isn’t capable of. That alone should separate them talent-wise.
He already has, multiple times before. Don't let this disappoint CL season's end erased some of his accomplishments.
It's beyond dumb tbh. Stupid revisionism
Ronaldinho had memorable performances in PSG, he delivered sublime world class performances against Marseille on two occasions and in those days playing against Marseille was like a Champions League final for PSG. Marseille also had the much better team and was above PSG in the table. But Ronaldinho single-handedly led PSG to win 3-0 in Marseille in 2003. That derby win alone is equal to 5 post-Qatari Ligue 1 titles for PSG fans. Mbappe never had a legendary performance like that, not even remotely close. That one single game from Ronaldinho was worth more than Mbappe's entire career at PSG, because of the memories it created.
Yeah I know what you mean. And can’t argue with that. “Better player” was clearly wrong. What I meant was that over the years Vini just does more beautiful things with the ball. Mbappe is clearly much more clinical on his day.
They have different functions, to be fair. Both are very good at what they do.
Mbappé scored a hat-trick at Camp Nou in a CL knockout game, scored two in Munich against Bayern, starred against Real Madrid etc. Ridiculous to claim Ronaldinho was better for PSG.
That wage is net wages, correct? I think that’s how they report it in Spain. Not sure what the tax rate is for high earners over there (probably 45-50%?), meaning he’ll earn around £500k per week gross. Excluding the signing on bonus.
The ultras(who did the tifo) tend to support their players and generally like them, the rest which largely popped up with QSI are bona fide weirdos. QSI tried to get rid of the ultras years ago and the atmosphere was dead with very little support from "fans", they eventually brought them back.
I don't think he'll ever be regarded as the best ever, but 'one of the best ever' is definitely on the cards. With regard to this, his emergence now after Messi reminds me a little bit of the rise of R9 in the wake of Maradona. I remember watching R9 and thinking 'yeah, he's really really good, but not as good as Maradona'. There was a clear gap in my mind. I felt similarly about other great players that rose to prominence as Maradona's powers waned, like Romario and Baggio.
I'm not implying that for me he is on a level talent Pele, Maradona or Messi are...in fact I'm also extremely fond of Johan, Platini, Zico and Di Stefano, those are some of my favorites ever and are quite different to Killian .
Buff too long. I translated it to read it easily even though it sounds weird.I'm not implying that for me he is on a level of talent Pele, Maradona or Messi are...in fact I'm extremely fond of Johan, Platini, Zico and Di Stefano (a dino by now) that seems like quite a freak for his time, those are some of my favorites ever.
In Killian's specific more forward oriented role I still preffer R9's game, yet Kiki has enough talent and time on his side to collect a huge ammount of praise (and add things to his game too) and due to his style and atributes he is a player that can be part of that R9 braquet, like Henry once did too: the big, pacey, powerful yet very skill forward that can decide in a action by their own. All of them different, but leaving aside our prefferences more or less in the same "group".
Also we are living in a time that it's right after a massive oriented metrics period, mostly because in my view (and leaving aside the historical appeal of massive goaslcorers since day one in football, there is nothing new there), there was also a clear need (due to the nefarious Barca vs Madrid agenda) to create some levelled ground in the money maker Cris VS Lio stuff. Anyway the trend for whatever reason, it's already settle.
As a side note: For me regarding CR and Messi, they are not in the same level and more or less equal stats or titles was never a parameter to decide between the two, I would always preffer "a Messi" as a player.
Of course I'm invested because of being Argie, but at the same time if Messi was Italian, German or Brazilian I would still think the same, if it was Zico instead of Messi in these last years, I'm with Zico, just my taste, view or whatever you can all it.
That's why I preffer some of the mentioned above Kiki too, even if I'm more incline to like a player like Mbappe in his style than CR.
PD: Naming all those oldies I just recall Futre, what a fecking extraordinary player.
Yet at the end of the day like I've said in the other post, if Mbappe collects numbers (more if those come with titles), there won't be much analysis regarding doing what role, from what position in the field, if he didn't contribute in other areas or if he just appeared 3 minutes almost every match, etc. Look at this last CL, watching the matches he wasn't on his best level, yet he has the talent and timing to still produce massive numbers in the competition.
He will also might have lots of assists to his name, a metric that has a lot of weight nowadays, even if it's as silly/stupid as Messi's first assist to Rojas in his recent match against NY Red Bulls or sthg. He would do them more in the style of what CR and Suarez can provide, than the type of stuff Maradona, Platini, Zico, Messi or even Ney and Di Maria did with him as teammates, yet at the end of the day it's still an assist.
Also I feel fans still be more incline to preffer a player of his mold instead of a Erling if the matchup becomes more or less equal in terms of stats.
Anyway, so much can happen from now on, let's see what the newer generations can provide too, how he settles in Madrid and so on, but in terms of enviroment and him as a special combination of athletism and skills, he is in a really great great spot.
He has enough style and talent to be instantly considered among the very best ever if the nowadays possible scenario plays in good terms for him.
PD: from the current CROP I really hope Wirtz continues to grow, what a great fecking player in the making we might have, time will tell, also BTW Kiki is a proven fella and even if he sucks in Madrid, nothing can take away what he already did and that he can recover from a bad transfer too, enough time for that scenario too (see Grizzie post Barca as a more or les recent example). SORRY for THE HUGE POST!
That's not possible for Mbappe. His talent does not extend anywhere near that echelon and never will. And that's not a knock on him.
How is that not a knock on him?
Because it is beyond him. He doesn't have the ability nor the capability. Your hypothetical would require him to have buffs in the aforementioned that he doesn't and will not.
well it wasn't directed to you...so no loss
To be the greatest of all time? At the very least he has the capability and ability to be in the shortlists. Few more great WCs/Euros, rack up CLs with Madrid... and he wouldn't be close?
Yeah it was a bit of a mess (being generous with myself).
Yet it doesn't matter that much... if he for instance wins a couple of CL's, Ligas, smash some scoring records or even wins another WC or some Euro. He has enough talent (like Cris) to be GOATED by many, even if he is not "Maradona" level of genius.
As I said in my previous post, it's no slight on Mbappe or the other 99.9% that becoming the greatest of all time - or even in the conversation - is beyond them. You are talking about the most stupendous, extraordinary alien-like players to have played football, who begin on a trajectory that is unfathomable for all but other all-timers, and then build further on that as they reach maturity. Even R9 was out of the running the moment his knee blew because it was clear, he was no longer a stupendous, game-breaking individual.
