You don't get to be a professional footballer, nevermind play in te premiership for Manchester United, and make 13 caps for England, without looking good on a football pitch.
FA Premier League
Sunderland 1:1 Manchester United
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You do. Cleverly did. Its called HYPE and every decent English youngster has it.
You have to take people's comment as relative to the level the player is competing at.
How often do we hear "xxx is crap", when it's some international, premier league player, who by very definition, is most likely, not crap.
Or you hear "he's a good player", about some twat on a sunday league park, who would actually literally be sh!t at any professional level.
It's all relative.
Stop talking sense!!
I never said that he was did I? Read my post...I said that both have not lived up to their potential. I am not a Cleverly fan either I'm just stating that it's ridiculous to suggest Kagawa warrants a place ahead of him as he's been just as bad..It's like talking to a kid..see you later son
Thanks pops. But you are saying you would prefer cleverly to kagawa tomorrow?
No my argument was on your original post that Kagawa deserves to play ahead of Cleverley when he clearly does not as he has not earned to. If you are asking I'd probably play RVP up top and drop Rooney or Mata further back. I've already said I hope Kagawa proves me wrong but so far he's been a bit poo
Pretty massive double standards there. They've both had lots of chances in a United shirt and not really taken them. Cleverley, actually, is the one who has had the longest run of good performances, at the start of the 2011-12 season.
You rate Kagawa higher because of what he did at Dortmund. Which is fair enough, but you should acknowledge it. In a United shirt, both have been disappointments.
I do acknowledge it but for different reasons. If kagawa got a run of games in his preferred position or even cm and still didn't perform then I would agree with you. Cleverly had some solid performances but never consistent and will never be united standard. No double standards here, cleverly has had a lot more chances in the team. Ill argue this point.
So you wouldn't play cleverly? Youd play rooney or mata? Then why are we arguing. Id agree with this.
Thank you exactly what I have been trying to explainIt's just unreal how unlucky we are in terms of injuries.
With Herrera and Carrick missing, our central midfield is down to its bare-bones. Hope Fletcher returns to his pre season form and Cleverley has a decent game tomorrow. Don't fancy us to dominate the game with all those players missing, so I hope that we play with real passion and try everything possible to get those three points.
I'd not say we have been unlucky. With so many players getting injured, it has to have something to do with training methods.
So how do you explain it?
We now have three different managers over the last three years. They all have different ways and a different staff to train the players, yet we still pick up that much injuries. Earlier this year we installed MRI, CT and ultrasound scanners at Carrington to diagnose injuries even faster and it was said that we probably have one of the best medical facilitiy in the world. So, either we have a pretty unqualified medical staff (which I refuse to believe) or we just are unlucky.It's hard to imagine us playing well with the midfield and defence we are going to be forced to pick. I imagine a lot of people on here won't accept it but a draw would genuinely be a good result for us. Avoid defeat and then look forward to the good times we will see with Di Maria and hopefully a couple of other. This match will surely be as low as it gets for us in terms of the weakness of our squad, after this we can only improve.I am afraid. Very afraid what will happen tomorrow. We must win and i think i will be very hard to win with players who are available. If we lose our second game to it will be kill for confidence of the players and the fans.
Especially when i think we could bring in di Maria and new mdfieder i get a feeling that we can go and chalenge for the tittle. But to do that we cant afford to lose this game.
About the lineup i hope we don't start with Fletcher and Cleverley in midfield. We can try with Kagawa. We must start with Rooney and RVP in attack. Maybe we can just outscore them or put them under such pressure that they will think only about defending. I would chose this lineup.
......................De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Smalling - Blackett - Young
-----------Fletcher - Kagawa
----------------Mata
------------Rooney - RVPNot sure RVP will start. He's only just come back and won't be match fit. Would rather Januzaj or Kagawa start.So can we pick Di Maria for this?
Joking aside this is what I think LVG will pick.
DDG* If Evan is fully fit he will get picked over Blackett.
Jones Smalling Blackett*
Rafael Fletcher Cleverly Young
Mata
Januzaj Rooney
I think Januzaj will start this one. I think he should be already fit for starting. I think RVP won't start as he probably is still not fit enough and I think he is going to be a sub around the 60-70 minutes.
Now that is what I think we will see, that can potentially convert to 433 quite easily like this.
DDG
Rafael Jones Smalling Blackett
Fletcher Cleverly
Mata
Januzaj Rooney Young
I can not explain it. But consistently long injury lists can not be ignored as plain bad luck.So can we pick Di Maria for this?
I am not quite sure why we are in for di Maria. I do not see where he could play in our 1-3-5-2.So, I was watching the training clips from MUTV after the presser and didn't see any sign of Rafael. Did anyone else spot him?
Evans, Valencia, Welbeck and Herrera were all there taking part in the training session though which is a bit odd since he said Herrera was out.
Of the youngsters Blackett, James, Wilson, Powell and Zaha were involved.
LVG will go 433. 2 wide players and 1 down the middle I imagine.Just out of interest would anyone try Valencia in centre mid? Has pace power and an engine. Ok he lacks any sort of passing ability which is a must. However we are severely lacking in there and in a 3 he could do a job?
Just a thought before I get caf beatenWhat about James Wilson? Am I the only one hoping he makes the bench and comes on for the last 15?
I'd start him. I like to see youth. He's better than hernandez with the ball and he can bring others into play.
With Rooney and RVP fit, and given that we could really use the win I wouldn't start him tbh.
The last 15 however when he's fresh and the opposition isn't could build his confidence and give us a boost for the final minutes.The result is not important. Today will easy win, 2-1 for us. But Ed must show us Angel tomorrow!
it must happen
I've got a feeling rooney could be in the middle of the park. I may be wrong of courseThe result is not important. Today will easy win, 2-1 for us. But Ed must show us Angel tomorrow!
it must happen
Excuse me? The result is not important but a.signing tomorrow is? Do you only like football during the transfer window or something
I think it's quite obvious English isn't his first language
Yeah true mate. Beggars belief
Not the most important today. I don't see our game and results to the end of the season with the players that we have now, especially on the wings and in the centre midfielders ( Clev!). Do you want to have a repeat of the previous season?
Every game is important. Or it will end up like last season. Good job you aren't in charge. Jesus wept
In last season every game was important too and without good transfer we finished as we know itAnyone but Cleverly in centre mid today…..Rather see Pearson given a chance than watch another Cleverly bottle job
Agree 100%. I would like us try an almost centre midfield 4 (still pretty much the 3-5-2 but one of the strikers drop to make it two attacking mids)...
-----------------DDG--------------
--------Jones---Smalling----Blackett
Rafael------Fletcher------Rooney-------Young
-------------Kagawa-----Mata-----------
------------------V.Persie--------------For some reason I think LVG will like Ando's style of play, one thing Anderson enjoy's other than food(I might as well get the food jokes out the way) is passing and moving.
I think a surprise is in store....so:
-----------------DDG--------------
--------Jones---Smalling----Blackett
Rafael------Fletcher------Anderson-------Kagawa
-------------Rooney-----Mata-----------
------------------V.Persie--------------5-3-2
DDG
Jones Smalling Blackett
Rafael...........Fletcher...........Young
Kagawa...........Mata
RVP Welbeck
OR
3-4-3
DDG
Jones Smalling Blackett
Rafael Fletcher Mata Young
Welbeck...........RVP...........Janzuzaj/Kag
Shame that Carrick is out, I assume Fellaini, Rooney, Valencia, Evans, Herrera all out from peoples posts------------------De Gea-----------------
--------Jones---Smalling----Blackett---
Rafael------Fletcher------Cleverly-----Young
-------------------Mata-------------------------
-----------RVP------------Rooney---------------- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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23%
Tyler Blackett
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16%
Juan Mata
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4%
Danny Welbeck
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2%
Antonio Valencia
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2%
David de Gea
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1%
Tom Cleverley
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1%
Chris Smalling
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
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Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 459 ratings.
Score Predictions
741,167,143
- Man Utd win
- Sunderland win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 27% Sunderland 1:2 Man Utd
- 13% Sunderland 1:3 Man Utd
- 12% Sunderland 0:2 Man Utd
- 8% Sunderland 1:1 Man Utd
- 7% Sunderland 0:3 Man Utd
- 7% Sunderland 2:1 Man Utd
- 5% Sunderland 0:1 Man Utd
- 4% Sunderland 2:2 Man Utd
- 3% Sunderland 1:0 Man Utd
- 3% Sunderland 2:0 Man Utd
- 2% Sunderland 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Sunderland 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Sunderland 5:0 Man Utd
- 2% Sunderland 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Sunderland 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Sunderland 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Sunderland 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Sunderland 1:5 Man Utd
- 1% Sunderland 3:0 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 5:5 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 3:2 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 3:3 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 3:5 Man Utd
- 0% Sunderland 4:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Sunderland
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 45% 55%
- Shots
- 11 10
- Shots on Target
- 3 3
- Corners
- 4 4
- Fouls
- 10 15
Referee
Martin Atkinson
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Michael Keane
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replaced by Adnan Januzaj
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replaced by Danny Welbeck
