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    ------------DDG-------------
    Rafael-Evans-Blackett-Rojo
    ---------Blind-Herrera---------
    Januzaj---Rooney----DiMaria
    -----------vPersie------------

    Finally someone setting up a team to actually be effective and not just looking for a way to fit in all their favourite players into a pretty looking formation..

    I can't understand all these people putting Mata behind two centre forwards when it's clearly easy to defend against due to a lack of width or pace.
     
    I can't understand all these people putting Mata behind two centre forwards when it's clearly easy to defend against due to a lack of width or pace.

    Fully agree, no width and everyone getting in each other's way as far as I can see. Tbf a lot of people are putting the team that they expect rather than what they want.
    I would have the team above, but with Mata instead of Rooney, however Just can't see Rooney being dropped.
     
    Finally someone setting up a team to actually be effective and not just looking for a way to fit in all their favourite players into a pretty looking formation..

    I can't understand all these people putting Mata behind two centre forwards when it's clearly easy to defend against due to a lack of width or pace.
    Rooney as a #10 is just as much of a problem. Mata in for Rooney or Rooney up top in place of RVP.
     
    Falcao on his debut destroying Rio on his return would be like that scene in Rocky III where Apollo Creed hands over his shorts to Rocky. I love Rio, but he needs to do the honours on Sunday.
     
    Rooney as a #10 is just as much of a problem. Mata in for Rooney or Rooney up top in place of RVP.

    Dont care where the width and pace come from as long as its there. The below could also work. Di Maria drifting left when it suits as he did at Madrid and Januzaj playing down the right. Blind in front of the back four would give the full backs freedom to push forward also. This is our best team imo. Mata and Rooney are interchangeable but as it stands I'm picking Rooney because Mata's been invisible every time we've played a decent side since he joined.

    -----------------De Gea------------------
    ---Rafael---Evans-----Rojo-----Shaw-
    ------------------Blind-------------------
    ----------Herrera---------Di Maria----
    --Januzaj-----------Rooney------------
    -----------------Falcao------------------

    Edit: Updated back four for injuries.
     
    Would love to see this side

    De Gea - Shaw, Rojo, Evans - Blind, Di Maria, Rooney, Herrera, Rafael - Falcao, RVP
     
    With the injuries I can only imagine our team will be

    -------------De Gea-------------
    ---Evans---Blackett---Rojo---
    Rafael--------------------Shaw
    ------Herrera------Blind------
    -------------Rooney-------------
    ---------RVP-------Falcao---------

    Of course while writing this although I knew I was leaving out Mata I forgot about Di Maria completely - damn where did we get all these awesome players from all of a sudden :devil:

    Of course with a change of formation (please god) we can fit them all in....

    --------------De Gea--------------
    Rafael---Evans---Rojo---Shaw
    ---------------Blind---------------
    -------Herrera-----Di Maria-------
    --------------Rooney--------------
    ----------RVP-------Falcao--------

    Love it!!!!
     
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    Any QPR fans so we can get an insight on what they feel about the impending unwanted arse feck they are likely to endure on Sunday?
     
    ---------------De Gea-------------
    -----Evans---Blackett---Rojo-----
    Valencia---------------------Blind
    ---------Herrera-----Fletcher-----
    ---------------Di Maria------------
    ---------Rooney-----Falcao------

    2-1 United.
     
    --------------De Gea--------------
    Rafael---Evans---Rojo---Shaw
    ---------------Blind---------------
    -------Herrera-----Di Maria-------
    --------------Rooney--------------
    ----------RVP-------Falcao--------

    Love it!!!!
    That has to be our team when everyone is fit. feck the 3-5-2 shit, that team is jizz.
     
    All of you who are predicting us starting with 4 at the back do you really think one of the most strong-willed manager in football willgive up his idea after only 3 games?
     
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    All of you who are predicting us starting with 4 at the back do you really think one of the most strong-willed manager in football to give up his idea after only 3 games?

    He did say this week that the system doesn't really matter, it's the philosophy that's important. But to answer your question - no, I expect to see the usual back 5 on this occasion.
     
    Finally someone setting up a team to actually be effective and not just looking for a way to fit in all their favourite players into a pretty looking formation..

    I can't understand all these people putting Mata behind two centre forwards when it's clearly easy to defend against due to a lack of width or pace.

    Yet a team with two forwards that can't play together is somehow great? Rooney is not a #10. I'd sooner see the team above with Mata in the hole and one of Rooney and Falcao up top providing the energy and dynamism. There is no place for Van Persie in our team going forward, as good as he is.
     
    Yet a team with two forwards that can't play together is somehow great? Rooney is not a #10. I'd sooner see the team above with Mata in the hole and one of Rooney and Falcao up top providing the energy and dynamism. There is no place for Van Persie in our team going forward, as good as he is.

    It could easily be argued RVP is the best out the three!
     
    It could easily be argued RVP is the best out the three!
    This is the beautiful thing, 3 truly world class strikers, the odds are at least one of them has to be firing at any one time, I really couldn't give a shit which 2 are playing, that's how ridiculous this situation is!!
     
    We'll win this if we play 4-3-3 I reckon.

    When everybody is fit:
    ---------------DDG--------------
    Raf----Jones----Rojo---Shaw

    -----Blind-----Herrera-----
    ---------Mata--------

    Januzaj-------------Di Maria
    ------------Falcao-----------
     
    This is the beautiful thing, 3 truly world class strikers, the odds are at least one of them has to be firing at any one time, I really couldn't give a shit which 2 are playing, that's how ridiculous this situation is!!

    Agree and I would have posted the same about Rooney or Falcao ;) for me it's Mata (another top player) most at danger of being benched. We also have AJ, Di Maria and DDG plus Shaw Herrera Carrick Blind Rafael Jones Smalling Rojo (not seen enough off to pass comment) bloody hell we are a couple players of being at the top table in Europe if LVG gets them gelling!!
     
    We'll win this if we play 4-3-3 I reckon.

    When everybody is fit:
    ---------------DDG--------------
    Raf----Jones----Rojo---Shaw

    -----Blind-----Herrera-----
    ---------Mata--------

    Januzaj-------------Di Maria
    ------------Falcao-----------

    Jones is definitely out, for 3-4 weeks according to Van Gaal. I would also like to see United go with a 4-3-3 this season; dropping both Rooney and RvP looks unlikely though.
     
    Any QPR fans so we can get an insight on what they feel about the impending unwanted arse feck they are likely to endure on Sunday?

    Given any ray of positivity the club has had over the past 12 months has been swiftly followed by a humbling crash back down to earth I wouldn't be too confident

    Sunday has QPR clean sheet and Rio being bigged up written all over it :nervous:
     
    This is the beautiful thing, 3 truly world class strikers, the odds are at least one of them has to be firing at any one time, I really couldn't give a shit which 2 are playing, that's how ridiculous this situation is!!

    I would think it's Rooney + 1. Not sure I can see a RvP-Falcao front 2 working very successfully; they are both poachers really, at their best in the penalty box, and would be liable to get in each other's way. Of course that's only if United go with a 2 up top; personally I like the idea of Falcao as the lone striker, with Mata, Di Maria, and perhaps Januzaj, supporting him.
     
    ------------DDG-------------
    ----smalling----Evans-----
    -----------Blind-------------
    Rafael-----------------Shaw
    ----Herrera---Di Maria-----
    ------------Mata------------
    ------RVP--------Rooney---

    Rojo and Falcao to come off the bench + Wilson to show we're not broken
     
    It could easily be argued RVP is the best out the three!

    It could, he's still brilliant, but it's all about the players we have surrounding the forwards. We're not stacked with a great deal of both dynamism and quality. We need our strikers to be a certain kind of player, particularly if Mata is in the side, and a 31 year old Van Persie coming off the back of a poor, injury hit season is not the player we should be resting our hopes upon. He's the least mobile and he isn't captain. To me, I don't see how he fits.
     
    Can see Barton and Sandro kicking lumps out of Herrera and possibly Di Maria if he plays centrally.
     
    wishing van gaal will play 4 at the back instead of 3, with this style.
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    Lets grab our first three points!
    GGMU!
     
    I don't want us to play 4-4-3 because it can get us sanction for putting an extra player on the field :nervous:
    Why? We can send on field 11 players can't we? feck goalkeeper we don't need that with Di Maria and Falcao
     
    Predicted XI and subs:

    de Gea
    Evans - Rojo - Blackett
    Valencia - Herrera - Blind - di Maria - Shaw
    van Persie - Rooney

    Subs: Lindegaard, Rafael, Fletcher, Anderson, Januzaj, Mata, Falcao
     
    Jones is definitely out, for 3-4 weeks according to Van Gaal. I would also like to see United go with a 4-3-3 this season; dropping both Rooney and RvP looks unlikely though.
    I know he is, that's why I said permitting everybody is fit I would like to see that team. Agree, neither will be dropped I'd say, Rooney was made captain for a reason.
     
    If I say I'm happy with the team, I would be lying because it's a incomplete team and Di Maria isn't what the team need, eventhough he's a quality player.
    Both Di Maria and Herrera are quite similar in their style of play, as midfielders. They are basically box to box midfielders and all they do is to provide energy with added bit of creativity but they can't control the midfield nor dictate the tempo of a match even if their lives depend on it. Infact, both players requires a playmaking midfielder alongside them to open up space for them to exploit.
    People that watched Madrid last season would noticed that Di Maria's performance tends to drop whenever Modric isn't available to play alongside him in the midfield, same as Herrera who had his best game alongside Kagawa, who was dictating the tempo against Galaxy. However, it's still a mystery how Van Gaal thought Kagawa didn't have a good game in the midfield because he was actually good when he played there in the games against Galaxy and Roma.
    That aside, I was actually hoping a player like Pjanic or Verratti would be brought in to complement Herrera in the midfield and helps in dictating the tempo but unfortunately, Di Maria was brought in. I don't actually have problem with him because he's a quality player but he isn't needed, except if he's to play on the wing. However, Di Maria is at his best in the midfield although I think he's also fantastic on the left wing where he had a great debut season for Madrid compared to the rubbish he produced on the right wing last year. So, if Van Gaal plans to deploy him on the left wing in a 4-3-3 set up, it's okay with me but that still doesn't solve our midfield problem.
    People thought the problem is the formation but that's not it because 3-5-2 with the right players is actually a fantastic set-up. However, the formation we're using aint 3-5-2 but 3-4-3.
    What's baffling is why are we deploying 3 forwards when we have no midfielders to provide them the space to exploit nor creative wingers to support them? And it's high time our fans realised Mata is a forward and not a playmaker, never has been anyway.
    The middle is also likely to get overrun whenever the opponents counters because there's no one to control the midfield. In short, everything is in shambles.
    What I know is a 3-5-2 set up deploys a 3-man midfield consisting of a playmaking midfielder, whether in the form of a deep-lying playmaking CM like Pirlo or a mobile playmaking CM like Xavi, Pjanic, Modric e.t.c. However, our imaginary 3-5-2 setup have none of these.

    Lastly, Van Gaal haven't impressed me one bit, especially in his failure to correct Rooney of his poor positional discipline in every games or to bench Mata when he's been noticeably poor. Infact, Van Gaal already had my doubt the moment he made Rooney a captain when he could have done better because Irrc, Rooney's all round play were noticebly poor in our pre-season games against the Roma, Madrid, Liverpool, Valencia eventhough he scored some good goals. The other is how Van Gaal keep repeating that our build-up play is poor yet he can't find a solution nor the reason behind it but went ahead to sign a poacher in Falcao when it's quite clear that what the team needs is a fecking playmaking midfielder!
    Anyway, I will be looking forward to the match because It's high time Van Gaal do his talking on the pitch!
     
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    Why are so many people posting an attacking like consisting of Roo, RvP and Falcao? It's clearly not a brilliant idea to have 3 strikers on at the same time. Rooney is decent playing in the hole but lets face it, Mata is better..

    I would like to see an attacking lineup either like:

    Falcao(RvP)
    Di Maria Mata(Rooney) Januzaj
    Blind Herrera​
    Or

    Falcao Rooney
    Mata
    Di Maria --------- Herrera
    Blind
    The first option provides plenty of width and a good target man up front. I don't really want to play RvP + Roo at the same time as they really haven't clicked this season (or the last).
    The second lineup is more narrow, it would be up to our fullbacks to provide some width in possession while Di Maria + Mata create the magic.

    Both tactics means we're playing 4 at the back, considering the players we have available it makes sense to switch to a back 4 and give Blind a DM role.
     
    Only positive about losing Smalling is it leaves us no other option but to go 4 at the back. :)
     
    If I say I'm happy with the team, I would be lying because it's a incomplete team and Di Maria isn't what the team need, eventhough he's a quality player.
    Both Di Maria and Herrera are quite similar in their style of play, as midfielders. They are basically box to box midfielders and all they do is to provide energy with added bit of creativity but they can't control the midfield nor dictate the tempo of a match even if their lives depend on it. Infact, both players requires a playmaking midfielder alongside them to open up space for them to exploit.
    People that watched Madrid last season would noticed that Di Maria's performance tends to drop whenever Modric isn't available to play alongside him in the midfield, same as Herrera who had his best game alongside Kagawa, who was dictating the tempo against Galaxy. However, it's still a mystery how Van Gaal thought Kagawa didn't have a good game in the midfield because he was actually good when he played there in the games against Galaxy and Roma.
    That aside, I was actually hoping a player like Pjanic or Verratti would be brought in to complement Herrera in the midfield and helps in dictating the tempo but unfortunately, Di Maria was brought in. I don't actually have problem with him because he's a quality player but he isn't needed, except if he's to play on the wing. However, Di Maria is at his best in the midfield although I think he's also fantastic on the left wing where he had a great debut season for Madrid compared to the rubbish he produced on the right wing last year. So, if Van Gaal plans to deploy him on the left wing in a 4-3-3 set up, it's okay with me but that still doesn't solve our midfield problem.
    People thought the problem is the formation but that's not it because 3-5-2 with the right players is actually a fantastic set-up. However, the formation we're using aint 3-5-2 but 3-4-3.
    What's baffling is why are we deploying 3 forwards when we have no midfielders to provide them the space to exploit nor creative wingers to support them? And it's high time our fans realised Mata is a forward and not a playmaker, never has been anyway.
    The middle is also likely to get overrun whenever the opponents counters because there's no one to control the midfield. In short, everything is in shambles.
    What I know is a 3-5-2 set up deploys a 3-man midfield consisting of a playmaking midfielder, whether in the form of a deep-lying playmaking CM like Pirlo or a mobile playmaking CM like Xavi, Pjanic, Modric e.t.c. However, our imaginary 3-5-2 setup have none of these.

    Lastly, Van Gaal haven't impressed me one bit, especially in his failure to correct Rooney of his poor positional discipline in every games or to bench Mata when he's been noticeably poor. Infact, Van Gaal already had my doubt the moment he made Rooney a captain when he could have done better because Irrc, Rooney's all round play were noticebly poor in our pre-season games against the Roma, Madrid, Liverpool, Valencia eventhough he scored some good goals. The other is how Van Gaal keep repeating that our build-up play is poor yet he can't find a solution nor the reason behind it but went ahead to sign a poacher in Falcao when it's quite clear that what the team needs is a fecking playmaking midfielder!
    Anyway, I will be looking forward to the match because It's high time Van Gaal do his talking on the pitch!

    I don't know where to start but here goes Di Maria and Herrera are not similar in fact I'd say they compliment each other well. You talk about the need for a playmaker but that's not always needed (think Keane Ince and there's many more like this) We now have one of Carrick or Blind as a 6 and both them are hardly poor on the ball. Once we get the proper movement and patterns of play we will be a delight to watch with the quality we now have.
    You say Kagawa had a good game and I won't argue but I think LVG was meaning Kagawa was picking the wrong pass and therefore this disrupts the pattern of play. I'm disappointed that LVG has not impressed you but I'd say give it time as he's only been here 10mins and most of his signings are yet to take the field or play together. Rojo Shaw Herrera Falcao Blind and even Di Maria has only had 60 mins. Plus we are only going to improve further by the players playing with each other and learning each others strengths and weaknesses.
     
    ----------------------------DDG----------------------------
    ---Rafael----------Evans-----------Rojo--------Shaw-----
    ------------------Herrera----------Blind-------------------
    ----Januzaj----------------Rooney--------Di Maria--------
    -------------------------Falcao/RVP------------------------

    For me thats our strongest XI, barring maybe Evans for Jones/Smalling. Di Maria and Januzaj will provide the directness and pace we've been lacking, Rafael and Shaw can support forward with Herrera/Blind covering when they do and also acting as deep lying playmakers. The aim will be to start keeping possession for long periods with more sustained pressured which we have failed to do for quite some time. Hopefully more ground passes as well rather than aimlessly lumping long balls forward.
     
    Finally someone setting up a team to actually be effective and not just looking for a way to fit in all their favourite players into a pretty looking formation..

    I can't understand all these people putting Mata behind two centre forwards when it's clearly easy to defend against due to a lack of width or pace.

    Agree. It worked for holland because robben drifted wide to create width and sneidjer wasnt too far off the cm partnership of de jong and wijnaldum. 352 is meant to be a flexible set up which can switch into variants during play. We have so far been too rigid playing to the numbers.
     
    ----------------------------DDG----------------------------
    ---Rafael----------Evans-----------Rojo--------Shaw-----
    ------------------Herrera----------Blind-------------------
    ----Januzaj----------------Rooney--------Di Maria--------
    -------------------------Falcao/RVP------------------------

    For me thats our strongest XI, barring maybe Evans for Jones/Smalling. Di Maria and Januzaj will provide the directness and pace we've been lacking, Rafael and Shaw can support forward with Herrera/Blind covering when they do and also acting as deep lying playmakers. The aim will be to start keeping possession for long periods with more sustained pressured which we have failed to do for quite some time. Hopefully more ground passes as well rather than aimlessly lumping long balls forward.
    How can our strongest XI have Wayne Rooney playing in the number 10 position when we have 2 or 3 better options in that role, one of them not even in that team - Mata.

    You say keeping possession is the aim yet Rooney has a poor first touch and often loses the ball, especially in compassion to Mata.
     
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