The Stain
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Cool.No at ronetta it was for, since you quoted him, I wanted to add my thoughts on what you said
Cool.No at ronetta it was for, since you quoted him, I wanted to add my thoughts on what you said
City win ratio with Demichelis & Kompany: 8 Wins, 4 Defeats. Points Ratio: 1.8
City win ratio without Demichelis & Kompany: 10 Wins, 2 Defeats. Points Ratio: 2.1
How do you measure that exactly? Do you mean the talent's ceiling of each player or what? For me City's main strength has been the overperforming of players like Milner, Navas and Clichy. I don't buy the general view that 'They have a wonder team but some of the stars underperform' which would mean they have massive room for improvement.
Looking at that City side suggested by some I'm far from being overwhelmed to be honest. I can see 3 great players like Silva, Kompany, Aguero in the first 11 but that would be that. On paper, Mata, Di Maria and Rooney surely match that if you're talking about talent purely.
I honestly can't see how our best 11 is significantly worse than theirs. It's extremely close.
On paper they dont match up no. I wouldnt use those three, and you cant just use 3 anyway.
I think the run of games recently has got United fans a bit giddy, it was only a month or sao ago everyone was depressed, and you were losing to Swansea and getting dumped out of the FA cup, yes United have played very well, and City poorly, but this has only really happened in the past month. I still think City have a higher ceiling at present. Of course if things carry on like this it will change.
Silva and Aguero are a better combo than Rooney and Mata, and again I think the focus has been on the past 2 months, United do however have a better goalkeeper and he is your best player but hes not in your top 3?
Is silva and aguero that much better? Considering how little they have played in their best position, compared to aguero and silva.
How do city have a better higher ceiling? When it's not that high, city have a better higher ceiling on reputation, and that's about it
City are probably one of the most feeble title winners we have seen Probably since araenals title winning teams of 98-02 and 04, and those teams I rate far better than the title winning city teams of 2012 and 14. I think United can overtake city, it's not over taking the all powerful chelsea team of 04-06?
Is silva and aguero that much better? Considering how little they have played in their best position, compared to aguero and silva.
How do city have a better higher ceiling? When it's not that high, city have a better higher ceiling on reputation, and that's about it
City are probably one of the most feeble title winners we have seen Probably since araenals title winning teams of 98-02 and 04, and those teams I rate far better than the title winning city teams of 2012 and 14. I think United can overtake city, it's not over taking the all powerful chelsea team of 04-06
Were talking about in a one off game though. I think in a one off game City can produce a higher quality of game. I dont think this was something that was debated a couple of months ago with the messages on here being ' we are light years from these teams'
Whilst you were not light years then, nor are you suddenly above them or level now.
City have a poor mentality and have been very inconsistent, especially since the new year. Thats why they are 4th.
It's not like we've suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Take the last 20 odd games and we'd be running your lot close. It's just that we started to play dominant, easy on the eye football that we earn recognition. We're 3rd in the League, one point behind 2nd place - we must have been doing something right virtually all season.On paper they dont match up no. I wouldnt use those three, and you cant just use 3 anyway.
I think the run of games recently has got United fans a bit giddy, it was only a month or sao ago everyone was depressed, and you were losing to Swansea and getting dumped out of the FA cup, yes United have played very well, and City poorly, but this has only really happened in the past month. I still think City have a higher ceiling at present. Of course if things carry on like this it will change.
Silva and Aguero are a better combo than Rooney and Mata, and again I think the focus has been on the past 2 months, United do however have a better goalkeeper and he is your best player but hes not in your top 3?
Honestly, on paper I don't think they have a better squad/starting 11 then us at all. Silva and Aguero are class of course, and Zabaleta is a very good right back despite having a poor year and Toure on his day can be class, but we've got plenty of class players. Less then a year ago Di Maria was seen as one of the top 5 arguably, but top 10 definitely players in the world, and a better player then anyone City have. Aguero for all his class when he is at his best, is far too injury prone and goes through poor spells like everyone does, and we are comparing him with Rooney. Both are at a similar level IMO. The depth up front is similar in terms of big names but underperforming probably. In midfield, I'd take Carrick and Herrera ahead of Toure and Fernandinho/Fernando every day of the week.On paper they dont match up no. I wouldnt use those three, and you cant just use 3 anyway.
I think the run of games recently has got United fans a bit giddy, it was only a month or sao ago everyone was depressed, and you were losing to Swansea and getting dumped out of the FA cup, yes United have played very well, and City poorly, but this has only really happened in the past month. I still think City have a higher ceiling at present. Of course if things carry on like this it will change.
Silva and Aguero are a better combo than Rooney and Mata, and again I think the focus has been on the past 2 months, United do however have a better goalkeeper and he is your best player but hes not in your top 3?
I certainly agree that balance is as important as quality, you don't want a whole squad of Angel di Maria's, adding in Ashley Young would make a team of di Maria's better.
Young spreads the defense wide, creating space in the center of the pitch, and does a great job of retaining the ball in tight places and in general. He shift the ball back inside for the most part, but again they can't all be stars. Fellaini and Rooney end up being the recipients of the goals and assists that come through passing moves including Young.
It's hard to say where to draw the line in the debate of offense vs. defense, it depends on tactics that I only have a passing understanding of.
I think di Maria can also play that same role of spreading wide and recycling possession. His passing percentage has been better than Young's for three straight games now. Yet a perception persists that he misplaces more passes than he completes and Young never gives it away.
I'll be pleased either way, I've been really impressed with Young's determination, professionalism and resurgence, I hope he scores a hat trick.
The idea that City are just a team of overpaid players that 'aren't trying' is ridiculous. When we went through a bad patch we were deemed shite, why aren't City? they have been wank all season and really aren't looking like a great team these days. Take Aguero and Silva out of that team and it's looking very ordinary on paper too.
How do you measure that exactly? Do you mean the talent's ceiling of each player or what? For me City's main strength has been the overperforming of players like Milner, Navas and Clichy. I don't buy the general view that 'They have a wonder team but some of the stars underperform' which would mean they have massive room for improvement.
Looking at that City side suggested by some I'm far from being overwhelmed to be honest. I can see 3 great players like Silva, Kompany, Aguero in the first 11 but that would be that. On paper, Mata, Di Maria and Rooney surely match that if you're talking about talent purely.
I honestly can't see how our best 11 is significantly worse than theirs. It's extremely close.
Who are City's backup defenders?
Remember before the Liverpool game when he was adamant we would get run over 3-0. The bt pundits are worse than sky as for as i'm concerned.Surprise surprise McMannaman the only BT pundit that predicts a City win tomorrow on Fletch & Sav. He simply can't bring himself to say that United might stand a chance!
Pity, I used to really respect him as a player when he moved to Real but he really is a world class knob with a huge chip on his shoulder!
Surprise surprise McMannaman the only BT pundit that predicts a City win tomorrow on Fletch & Sav. He simply can't bring himself to say that United might stand a chance!
Pity, I used to really respect him as a player when he moved to Real but he really is a world class knob with a huge chip on his shoulder!
Probably most confidence since the 1-6 happenedThe most confident I've been going into a derby in a long time. Which makes me nervous.
We won't lose lads.
Love this time of the season, they all feel that way in the run in!Definitely feels like the biggest game of the season to me.
Squeaky Bum time
Mark Clattenburg